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    Farb, don't get the vaccine, and tell conservatives on Facebook not to as well.




    Conservatives have been fawning over Rittenhouse for killing two libs. Here we have covid dropping MAGA bodies like the terminator.
    Ok. Thanks. Will do.
     
    To be fair, I called his state blood red - not Tester himself. I called Tester a Conservative Democrat. I understand taking what you can get in states like MT, and don't dispute that strategy. I would say that in my personal continuum where both parties are right wing to some extent, Tester and a huge number of other Democrats are more or less DINO's and/or conservative Democrats.
    Yes I know that, and I gave your post were you said that a "Like."

    What I said was it's OK to go one step further and call him a blood red butcher.

    I lived in that state for 13 years... . The Democratic party is the other Republican party. The green party was the liberal party in Missoula county, which along with Butte county deals with everything even remotely liberal in the state.

    Meet Amanda Curtis, the exception not the rule, in 2014 she was the socialist candidate, a Wobblie, running as a good Democrat for the US Senate. The Democratic party officially drafted to be their candidate because at that point they didn't have anything to lose.

     
    https://www.axios.com/biden-agenda-failure-democrats-47947ce1-91b8-45e0-952f-4598fbda1789.html

    • It's rare for a president to be at odds with Republicans, moderate Democrats and liberal Democrats — all at once. But that's where Biden finds himself at the start of an election year that many Democrats believe will result in the loss of the House and maybe the Senate.
    • Most polls put Biden around 42-43% approval, with over 50% disapproval. In a Quinnipiac poll this week, Biden had a 33% approval. The White House calls that an "outlier."

    33%? He is just tearing up. His experience has been breathtaking to watch!
     
    https://www.axios.com/biden-agenda-failure-democrats-47947ce1-91b8-45e0-952f-4598fbda1789.html

    • It's rare for a president to be at odds with Republicans, moderate Democrats and liberal Democrats — all at once. But that's where Biden finds himself at the start of an election year that many Democrats believe will result in the loss of the House and maybe the Senate.
    • Most polls put Biden around 42-43% approval, with over 50% disapproval. In a Quinnipiac poll this week, Biden had a 33% approval. The White House calls that an "outlier."

    33%? He is just tearing up. His experience has been breathtaking to watch!

    I'm so relived that you're so CONCERNED!

    Wee tears I feel encroaching toward the corners of mine eyes for this your display of real compassion.
     
    https://www.axios.com/biden-agenda-failure-democrats-47947ce1-91b8-45e0-952f-4598fbda1789.html

    • It's rare for a president to be at odds with Republicans, moderate Democrats and liberal Democrats — all at once. But that's where Biden finds himself at the start of an election year that many Democrats believe will result in the loss of the House and maybe the Senate.
    • Most polls put Biden around 42-43% approval, with over 50% disapproval. In a Quinnipiac poll this week, Biden had a 33% approval. The White House calls that an "outlier."

    33%? He is just tearing up. His experience has been breathtaking to watch!

    Don't get too excited, now. Trump would poll even worse AND still has to deal with his part in egging on an insurrection.

    Talk about a 'yuge' loser.
     
    Don't get too excited, now. Trump would poll even worse AND still has to deal with his part in egging on an insurrection.

    Talk about a 'yuge' loser.
    If Trump in office? No?
    I don't care then. This guy is in office and only 33% of the US is happy about it.
     
    I'm so relived that you're so CONCERNED!

    Wee tears I feel encroaching toward the corners of mine eyes for this your display of real compassion.
    Why would I not be concerned? He is the president of my country, of course I am concerned. By polling numbers, I am in a lot of good company for being concerned we are being led by a 'murder she wrote' president.
     
    Why would I not be concerned? He is the president of my country, of course I am concerned. By polling numbers, I am in a lot of good company for being concerned we are being led by a 'murder she wrote' president.
    I had to google for that but I found the reference.

    Murder She Wrote season six, episode #5 "Jack and Bill", "Jessica narrates the story of an ex-football player turned private eye who investigates the murder of his old teammate with the help of a savvy pooch."

    "The title is a parody of the Mother Goose nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill". "Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water. Jack fell down and broke his crown and Jill came tumbling after."

    "Max Baer Jr, who played Johnny Wheeler" [the victim], is the son of famed boxer. Max Baer is best known as Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hillbillies"

    And that gets to the reference, apparently Johnny Wheeler was killed to prevent a plot to kill the president from being exposed.

    They weren't real clear about what kind of president, a president of a bank, president of a home owners association, or president of a South American nation no one has ever heard of.


    :-|

    Here's the real scoop. Joe Biden has managed to move the needle more towards liberal causes by an economic factor that even out does the previous very successful run Obama and Biden had together. They managed to get a lot of big things going. Now Joe has out done that previous great run with a multiplier, 3x, 4x, or 5x, I don't know how big, it's big.

    To get out of the 2008 depression they got 0.8 trillion out of Congress, that was like a wonder. This last year one of those stimulus bills Joe got through ran many many times that. And then he turned around and multiplied it 2x or 3x more times with the infrastructure bill.

    Ole Bernie does a great job of playing the role of making it sound like Joe is doing nothing, and is no threat to the GOP. Apparently that's working out fairy well because the media still carries on like Joe cannot do anything.

    AOC deserves an Oscar.

    Joe's managed to pull it all off by pretending that he can't get anything done. The press carries on and on about how awful it is. And the left wingers carry on as if it is totally awful like he's a practically a skinflint Republican.


    Farb, the real reality to it is that Joe Biden has been an outstandingly successful President.

    The real deal is that it's been pretty swell.

    :D
     
    I had to google for that but I found the reference.

    Murder She Wrote season six, episode #5 "Jack and Bill", "Jessica narrates the story of an ex-football player turned private eye who investigates the murder of his old teammate with the help of a savvy pooch."

    "The title is a parody of the Mother Goose nursery rhyme of "Jack and Jill". "Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water. Jack fell down and broke his crown and Jill came tumbling after."

    "Max Baer Jr, who played Johnny Wheeler" [the victim], is the son of famed boxer. Max Baer is best known as Jethro Bodine from the Beverly Hillbillies"

    And that gets to the reference, apparently Johnny Wheeler was killed to prevent a plot to kill the president from being exposed.

    They weren't real clear about what kind of president, a president of a bank, president of a home owners association, or president of a South American nation no one has ever heard of.


    :-|

    Here's the real scoop. Joe Biden has managed to move the needle more towards liberal causes by an economic factor that even out does the previous very successful run Obama and Biden had together. They managed to get a lot of big things going. Now Joe has out done that previous great run with a multiplier, 3x, 4x, or 5x, I don't know how big, it's big.

    To get out of the 2008 depression they got 0.8 trillion out of Congress, that was like a wonder. This last year one of those stimulus bills Joe got through ran many many times that. And then he turned around and multiplied it 2x or 3x more times with the infrastructure bill.

    Ole Bernie does a great job of playing the role of making it sound like Joe is doing nothing, and is no threat to the GOP. Apparently that's working out fairy well because the media still carries on like Joe cannot do anything.

    AOC deserves an Oscar.

    Joe's managed to pull it all off by pretending that he can't get anything done. The press carries on and on about how awful it is. And the left wingers carry on as if it is totally awful like he's a practically a skinflint Republican.


    Farb, the real reality to it is that Joe Biden has been an outstandingly successful President.

    The real deal is that it's been pretty swell.

    :D
    I just meant he is old and watches murder she wrote but ok.

    Does the reality reflect your feelings or actual polling data? If we are going by data, then no one is really happy with his job performance.
     
    I just meant he is old and watches murder she wrote but ok.

    Does the reality reflect your feelings or actual polling data? If we are going by data, then no one is really happy with his job performance.
    Nope it exactly is your one cherry picked poll. Just like you get your news from fox and am radio it doesn't make it actually the news that the all of nation believes.

    When are you gonna realize that some of the news out there is designed just for certain people. Some is just blowing smoke up your arse. So could you please be smart enough in the future not to harp on the one poll that is obviously lower than the rest by like 25%. You and we should all be smarter than that.


    So could you please make glue out of that friggin dead horse already and stop beating it?
     
    I just meant he is old and watches murder she wrote but ok.

    Does the reality reflect your feelings or actual polling data? If we are going by data, then no one is really happy with his job performance.
    Wow. "... Then no one is really happy with his job performance." "No One." Is that what you think?

    Except for me and the 42% of other Americans who are quite happy with his job performance.

    Did you really think that snow flurry was going to work on me?

     
    Let's be honest here... Biden's poll numbers are terrible even for the partisan times in which we live. But numbers aside, he has been an ineffective President because he doubles down on legislation he knows he can't pass. As I mentioned a while ago, the smartest thing to do would have been to go to the cadre of sane Republicans left in the Senate, ask them what financial numbers would be acceptable to them, and push through various bits of legislation on that common ground.

    If he focused on racking up a series of minor wins, he'd look like he is the type of guy who can get things done without partisan BS -- a sort of return to normalcy. Yes, I am aware McConnell and company are interested in being obstructionist but even they have some minimum type of legislation they want to see pass. Even if Biden has to effectively ape a moderate Republican in terms of his presidency, he should have done that. Now it's probably too late to save him from the carnage of the midterms.

    Also, if Democrats were smart they would register as Republicans and vote for sane Republicans in GOP primaries. But apparently high-level strategy like this is beyond them.
     
    Let's be honest here... Biden's poll numbers are terrible even for the partisan times in which we live. But numbers aside, he has been an ineffective President because he doubles down on legislation he knows he can't pass. As I mentioned a while ago, the smartest thing to do would have been to go to the cadre of sane Republicans left in the Senate, ask them what financial numbers would be acceptable to them, and push through various bits of legislation on that common ground.

    If he focused on racking up a series of minor wins, he'd look like he is the type of guy who can get things done without partisan BS -- a sort of return to normalcy. Yes, I am aware McConnell and company are interested in being obstructionist but even they have some minimum type of legislation they want to see pass. Even if Biden has to effectively ape a moderate Republican in terms of his presidency, he should have done that. Now it's probably too late to save him from the carnage of the midterms.

    Also, if Democrats were smart they would register as Republicans and vote for sane Republicans in GOP primaries. But apparently high-level strategy like this is beyond them.
    Not sure what all they should've done but it shouldn't have been much like this at all. I swear If I didn't know better I'd say they've intentionally driven themselves directly into the wall they're almost certainly going to slam into at the midterms here, but obviously they wouldn't actually do it intentionally..

    But the Biden admin is absolutely rudderless and, paired along side a dysfunctional Democratic majority in Congress, they've collectively managed to swiftly and deeply alienate themselves to a significant portion of the country. And there's no real reason to believe that's about to change anytime soon enough to prevent 2022 from being an unbelievable bloodbath.
     
    Let's be honest here... Biden's poll numbers are terrible even for the partisan times in which we live. But numbers aside, he has been an ineffective President because he doubles down on legislation he knows he can't pass. As I mentioned a while ago, the smartest thing to do would have been to go to the cadre of sane Republicans left in the Senate, ask them what financial numbers would be acceptable to them, and push through various bits of legislation on that common ground.

    If he focused on racking up a series of minor wins, he'd look like he is the type of guy who can get things done without partisan BS -- a sort of return to normalcy. Yes, I am aware McConnell and company are interested in being obstructionist but even they have some minimum type of legislation they want to see pass. Even if Biden has to effectively ape a moderate Republican in terms of his presidency, he should have done that. Now it's probably too late to save him from the carnage of the midterms.

    Also, if Democrats were smart they would register as Republicans and vote for sane Republicans in GOP primaries. But apparently high-level strategy like this is beyond them.
    I was planning to register as a Republican to vote for the sanest Republicans running. In the general, I’ll most likely vote Democratic, and the Republicans will win no matter what in Alabama, but it’s all I can do to sway them a little to the middle.
     
    I was planning to register as a Republican to vote for the sanest Republicans running. In the general, I’ll most likely vote Democratic, and the Republicans will win no matter what in Alabama, but it’s all I can do to sway them a little to the middle.
    Yeah, I jump around with my party affiliation for that very reason. Republican in 2016 to vote in that respective closed-primary then Democrat in 2020 for same reason.
     
    Welp, polls are of necessity bullschlitz. Polls had Hillary winning. Exit polling proved useless. The reality is that perception influenced by corporate media with a stake in helping cause and then “covering” the chaos has become reality. Instead of deep probing polls ask surface questions.

    Bird’s theorem proves itself again.
     
    Let's be honest here... Biden's poll numbers are terrible even for the partisan times in which we live. But numbers aside, he has been an ineffective President because he doubles down on legislation he knows he can't pass. As I mentioned a while ago, the smartest thing to do would have been to go to the cadre of sane Republicans left in the Senate, ask them what financial numbers would be acceptable to them, and push through various bits of legislation on that common ground.

    If he focused on racking up a series of minor wins, he'd look like he is the type of guy who can get things done without partisan BS -- a sort of return to normalcy. Yes, I am aware McConnell and company are interested in being obstructionist but even they have some minimum type of legislation they want to see pass. Even if Biden has to effectively ape a moderate Republican in terms of his presidency, he should have done that. Now it's probably too late to save him from the carnage of the midterms.

    Also, if Democrats were smart they would register as Republicans and vote for sane Republicans in GOP primaries. But apparently high-level strategy like this is beyond them.

    Not sure what all they should've done but it shouldn't have been much like this at all. I swear If I didn't know better I'd say they've intentionally driven themselves directly into the wall they're almost certainly going to slam into at the midterms here, but obviously they wouldn't actually do it intentionally..

    But the Biden admin is absolutely rudderless and, paired along side a dysfunctional Democratic majority in Congress, they've collectively managed to swiftly and deeply alienate themselves to a significant portion of the country. And there's no real reason to believe that's about to change anytime soon enough to prevent 2022 from being an unbelievable bloodbath.

    I disagree with this analysis, but I definitely believe that's the public perception and that's the one many independents/and democrats are working under due to the media coverage of this administration.

    First, let's establish that Republicans and those independents that rely on right wing propaganda media were never going to approve of Biden's job performance. The express purpose of the right wing media biosphere is keep democrats out of power. All of their "news" coverage, outrage and conspiracy theories are pushed with that intent and its reflexed in the perception of Biden that those who consume it have. That alone probably tops Biden's approval numbers at 50%. The early 60% approval ratings were somewhat misleading owned mostly to the fact of disgust with the Jan. 6th insurrection.

    The other 7% to 8% drop in approval are likely due to regular media coverage of the Biden administration, in which every setback is turned into and unmitigated defeat and the most negative news gets the most coverage. Take the economy, for example. Inflation is up, we do have supply chain issues lingering and employers are still struggling in some areas to find workers, but overall we have made an incredible recovery from the economic downturn last year. Nobody expected unemployment to be a low as it is now, wages have gone up like in no time in recent history and consumers are still buying. We're in better shape than just about any other country in terms of our economy and a lot of that can be attributed to the American rescue plan and the work the administration has done. All of the issues we face are almost entirely due to the pandemic and the administration has been working to address those issues. They're all solvable and will eventually be straightened out, but you would hardly know that listening to media coverage.

    The administration spent so much time on BBB because they honestly believed that the democratic caucus was united and working to pass it, until 2 Senators made it clear they weren't on board and were just stringing things along. The goal post kept getting moved so much that it eventually became clear that Manchin and Senema were using their political power to advance their own interest. Do I fault Biden for that? No, he did everything he could. The same thing has happened with voting rights, but in a much more compressed time frame. I agree that this makes the administration ineffective, but it's hardly Biden's or the administrations fault.

    On the coronavirus, this administration has done everything possible to get this country past it and back on it's feet. While all the complaints in the media have been about the "CDC messaging", the biggest block/hurdle to getting this country beyond the virus has and continues to be Republicans. At every turn, whether in right wing media with conspiracies, in state republican controlled governments with stupid anti-mask and anti-vaccine laws/rule or in the conservative supreme courts, the administration is constantly being obstructed and pushed back from doing everything possible to get this virus under control. So we have the spikes, surges and outcomes that we do currently. I couldn't even imagine how much worse things would be if the last Republican administration were still in charge. At least with this administration, those of us sane enough to follow common sense public health guidance have the tools and can protect ourselves.

    While I believe that when you look at things objectively Biden and his administration are doing a respectable job given the current circumstances, public and media messaging is not their strong suite. That's also a drag on their pole numbers and may lead many who are not really political to be disenchanted given the way people consume information today. I doubt that there's any democratic president that would fare much better being put in the same situation as Biden.

    All media reporting and indications is that the Democrats will suffer a blood bath in the midterms. I guess we will see if that materializes, but my questions for all of those independents switching sides back to Republicans and all of those non-political/democrats who are going to stay home and not vote is, "What exactly do you believe you're going to get with voting for Republicans? What will you get with putting Kevin McCarthy and Mitch McConnell back in power and Republicans in the majority in Congress? What are you going to get with putting even more Republicans in control in state/local government?". Do you want baseless investigation, more subterfuge, and focus and non-issues like CRT and dehumanizing trans-gender people (that's the real problem with America, :rolleyes:), because that's exactly what you're going to get. Oh, and also possible illegitimate elections and the bastageization of our democratic system of government. There's also that.
     
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    If Trump in office? No?
    I don't care then. This guy is in office and only 33% of the US is happy about it.

    Well part of the issue is that I seem to remember you being a very adamant Trump supporter, yet you're piling on everything Biden does.

    Are we not also here to point out discrepancies like that?

    For what it's worth - Biden and the Democrats get nothing done, in my opinion, because they still run on these absurd idea that playing to the center
    and negotiating with the other side will get things done. It won't. We've seen this time and again.
     

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