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    I understand. Did you not understand ME? I am explaining what most Americans perceive. THEY blame the Biden Administration.
    Why do you think they blame the Biden Admin for something that is in Congress’ domain?
     
    Why do you think they blame the Biden Admin for something that is in Congress’ domain?
    Because they are not as knowledgeable as you. Trump built a partial wall and made it clear to the world that he was not interested in illegal aliens. Biden and his VP sent out a different message than that. The world fully understood the welcome mat Biden and Harris put out. The result was/is what I have posted. So...The heck with the constitutional specifics....Biden gets some blame! He does. I'm done now.
     
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    Because they are not as knowledgeable as you. Trump built a partial wall and made it clear to the world that he was not interested in illegal aliens. Biden and his VP sent out a different message than that. The world fully understood the welcome mat Biden and Harris put out. The result was/is what I have posted. So...The heck with the constitutional specifics....Biden gets some blame! He does. I'm done now.
    You are not quite there yet, Steve, lol. Do you think it might have anything to do with GOP messaging? And by “messaging”, I mean lies about who is responsible for border policies. Maybe people are being led into misplacing the blame, is that possible?
     
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    Yup...it's all John Boehner's fault..not the Biden administration. No! Not them! :rolleyes: :ROFLMAO:
    Well, I am glad that you admit Boehner did nothing when a bill was there to be debated and perhaps passed. This is not surprising since Republicans have been screeching about the border for years yet, oddly, have done nothing about it. And, no, it is not the Biden administration’s fault. YOUR party has a majority, however slim it is, in the house. YOU tell you congresscritter to put forth some legislation to do something about it. Or will we simply see more complaining while at the same time Republicans screech and whine seeking to use this as an election issue while proposing nothing?

    Biden can issue executive orders but the bottom line is that immigration is a legal issue requiring laws which require legislation to deal with it. Get Republicans to put forth a bill and stop wasting time on the sham impeachment.
     
    Because they are not as knowledgeable as you. Trump built a partial wall and made it clear to the world that he was not interested in illegal aliens. Biden and his VP sent out a different message than that. The world fully understood the welcome mat Biden and Harris put out. The result was/is what I have posted. So...The heck with the constitutional specifics....Biden gets some blame! He does. I'm done now.
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    No, Trump didn’t build much wall at all. 15 miles is next to nothing. In addition, the effectiveness of what is there is very questionable. As for the welcome mat? That is agitprop which suits your beliefs, nothing more. Trump wants immigrants, he employed undocumented workers in NYC. He just knows that the xenophobes in his base need to have someone to hate.
     
    @bird
    You take simple things and work hard to make them complicated.
    #1 No one but you cares (as we knock on the door of the year 2024) what John B did or did not do years ago.
    #2 The perception on Dec. 29th 2023 that people have is correct...TRUMP tried to reduce the flow of illegals. He did build "a" wall. He wanted to build more. Most people understand that.
    #3 The perception of what he did and what he wished to do is what counts.
    #4 Trump is viewed as someone who would improve the situation if he were to return to office. Biden is viewed as someone who has made the situation worse.
    Perception is everything.
    Happy New Year!
    I will NOT look for your response.
     
    So, purposefully separating asylum seekers from their toddlers and infants was “improving the situation”? And ordering Immigration employees NOT to keep records so that families could be reunited eventually was better? Do you know how many children have lost their families and still cannot be returned because of Trump?

    The re-writing of history is abominable. Trump didn’t give one thought to immigrants. He hired them, he used them in his businesses. He famously cheated them to the point where they actually sued him in NY back in the day. They were so incensed at his swindling of them they risked deportation to sue him.

    No, he just let a ghoul like Stephen Miller run the program. Where they decided that they would “discourage” people from seeking asylum by taking their children away from them.
     
    @bird
    You take simple things and work hard to make them complicated.
    #1 No one but you cares (as we knock on the door of the year 2024) what John B did or did not do years ago.
    #2 The perception on Dec. 29th 2023 that people have is correct...TRUMP tried to reduce the flow of illegals. He did build "a" wall. He wanted to build more. Most people understand that.
    #3 The perception of what he did and what he wished to do is what counts.
    #4 Trump is viewed as someone who would improve the situation if he were to return to office. Biden is viewed as someone who has made the situation worse.
    Perception is everything.
    Happy New Year!
    I will NOT look for your response.
    Ahh, so you're already hedging away from your never Trump position, as expected.

    Soon, you'll be on to "I'm just going to hold my nose and pull the lever" on the way to your full-throated support by next September.
     
    @bird
    You take simple things and work hard to make them complicated.
    #1 No one but you cares (as we knock on the door of the year 2024) what John B did or did not do years ago.
    #2 The perception on Dec. 29th 2023 that people have is correct...TRUMP tried to reduce the flow of illegals. He did build "a" wall. He wanted to build more. Most people understand that.
    #3 The perception of what he did and what he wished to do is what counts.
    #4 Trump is viewed as someone who would improve the situation if he were to return to office. Biden is viewed as someone who has made the situation worse.
    Perception is everything.
    Happy New Year!
    I will NOT look for your response.

    For someone who hates Trump as much as you, your posts read like a poor imitation of his tweets. lol
     
    @bird
    You take simple things and work hard to make them complicated.
    #1 No one but you cares (as we knock on the door of the year 2024) what John B did or did not do years ago.
    #2 The perception on Dec. 29th 2023 that people have is correct...TRUMP tried to reduce the flow of illegals. He did build "a" wall. He wanted to build more. Most people understand that.
    #3 The perception of what he did and what he wished to do is what counts.
    #4 Trump is viewed as someone who would improve the situation if he were to return to office. Biden is viewed as someone who has made the situation worse.
    Perception is everything.
    Happy New Year!
    I will NOT look for your response.
    Then why freaking bother if you are going to run away? I don’t take anything and make it complicated. Immigration IS complicated despite your simplistic viewpoint.

    1) I care because Republicans have done NOTHING on immigration when they have been in power and then they screech about it.

    2) Building 15 miles of wall on a 1,952 mile long border is not is not building a wall. It is a damn near meaningless gesture whether you like it or not.

    3) Well, I posted links regarding immigration and you have chosen to ignore them. THAT is reality.

    4) That Trump is perceived by simplistic, naive xenophobic racists as being able to make the situation better says something about his cultists.
     
    I understand. Did you not understand ME? I am explaining what most Americans perceive. THEY blame the Biden Administration.
    Do you have any objective data that supports the claim that the majority of American voters blame Biden for the current immigration situation, or are you assuming that most American voters think and believe the same things you do?
     
    "I will NOT look for your response" is such an immature comment

    Akin, to "I'm leaving and taking my ball with me"!!!!!!!

    This guy doesn't deserve a response.....as soon as his arguments get picked apart he resorts to the ever popular victim role.....
     
    2) Building 15 miles of wall on a 1,952 mile long border is not is not building a wall. It is a damn near meaningless gesture whether you like it or not.

    The crazy thing about this is that there never was supposed to be a wall. The "wall" was a mnemonic device Trump's campaign handlers used to remind him to stay focused on immigration during the campaign. "Just think, we are going to build a wall," as a way to remember to keep talking about how you are going to fix the immigration issue. Then, one day, at a campaign event, Trump said, we are going to build a wall, and the crowd cheered like crazy. So, he kept saying it over and over, and it grew into an actual wall that he had no plan on how to build, how to maintain, or how to secure financing for.
     
    Do you have any objective data that supports the claim that the majority of American voters blame Biden for the current immigration situation, or are you assuming that most American voters think and believe the same things you do?
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    Ahh, so you're already hedging away from your never Trump position, as expected.

    Soon, you'll be on to "I'm just going to hold my nose and pull the lever" on the way to your full-throated support by next September.
    I think it is a mistake for Maine and Colorado to remove Trump from the ballot.
    He would have lost without that action being implemented.
    Now this will give Trump and his followers reasons to say Trump is having the election stolen from him.
    Let the voters reject him on their own.
    If Nikki Haley is not the GOP nominee this "take Trump off the ballot stuff" makes me waiver a little bit.
    The company my wife works for is a US national company. I won't say which one but I want to share with you that it is NOT political. It is NOT ideological. It exists solely to make money. This company happily accepts the money of Dems, Rs, and anyone else.
    So at the company Christmas Party I was a guest thanks to my wife's employment there....and....I had an opportunity to speak to that company's "Big Boss". Each region has a boss and this man is the "Big Boss" over all of them.
    He's so smart and yet very skilled at making others feel comfortable to talk to him. I told him of my support for Nikki Haley and my negative views on Donald Trump.
    I'll paraphrase his response to the best of my ability:
    "Steve....Nikki Haley is not gonna be the nominee. Trump is. Nikki Haley lies. Trump lies. ALL POLITICIANS LIE. That's who they are. So.......we have to not look at what Trump says but what he DID. Look back at the 4 years he was President and think about the economy...the way he handled China....the efforts he made on the Mexican Border...no US forces in any wars...etc. Our country was better off with Trump in office than with Biden. You DON'T HAVE TO like him Steve. I get it that he has many negatives. Just vote for him because his prior 4 years are better than these more recent Biden years".
    He went on to say that his company will do well no matter who is President. He is just expressing to me that a 2024 -2028 Trump Presidency would be better for the country than 4 more years of Biden.
    I have not changed.
    I want 4 years of Nikki Haley...but I share this important person's thoughts with all of you in case you find it to be of interest.
     
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    Did I provide enough documentation for my claim that a majority of Americans blame Biden for the crisis at the border????
    Progressives on this thread can stick their heads in the sand if they want to, but the reason the White House is trying to work out something with Mexico recently is because they understand what I'm saying...even if many of YOU don't.
     

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