An Amicable Separation/Decentralization/Secession (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

https://nationalfile.com/why-dont-w...d-divide-up-into-like-two-or-three-countries/

I find myself never agreeing with this looney tune but I think she is might be on to something. At the very minimum for a conversation. I heard this yesterday evening and have been thinking about a lot last night and today. Curious on others thoughts.
Why do we all have to share a federal government. The 2 sides are not just politically apart, but are different in their core values. I think this needs to be discussed before conflict actually boils to the top.
If we are honest, it is already simmering. This should be a like a divorce only with vast population migration to different areas.
We remain allies with defensive pacts and trade pacts but share not common government.
I get the first reaction is horror but if you think about it, it might be the only way...

What would it look like? What regions/states would go where?

 

[Paul]

That's not an argument, Paul. I suggest you simply state your argument or refute the argument in your own words.

Where did I say that I desire an ethnic group becoming a minority and any other becoming the majority?

The above statement is bullshirt.

 

[RobF]

The above statement is bullshirt.

It plainly isn't. He was clearly observing trends and didn't say anything about desiring them.

And I'm sure you've observed something similar too:

I agree, but when white people become a minority they will be victimized. That is why they re running scared.

Think you owe @insidejob an apology.

 

[insidejob]

The above statement is bullshirt.

No it isn't. Nowhere did I say that I desire any of that. I'm white, for Christ's sake. I'm just not blind. I can read data and it says that America is getting less and less white with each passing census. The fact that you consider that to be "bullshirt" shows exactly how informed you really are.

 

[SFIDC3]

The above statement is bullshirt.

That is not an argument, prove it was (hint - you can't so you probably won't)....

You definitely owe him an apology, you clearly put words in his mouth and then made an accusation based on those words....which he never stated....

 

[insidejob]

That is not an argument, prove it was (hint - you can't so you probably won't)....

You definitely owe him an apology, you clearly put words in his mouth and then made an accusation based on those words....which he never stated....

He can keep the apology. Shows a ton more about who he really is and what he thinks than it does me.

 

[samiam5211]

The above statement is bullshirt.

That’s a question, not a statement.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The above statement is bullshirt.

The above statement is not an argument. Please state your argument as to why it's bullshirt.

 

[UriUT]

I was told walls don't work for 4 years.

It will if you put machine guns on them. Then man them with people who completely lack empathy for their fellow man and shoot to kill. Yeah sure it'll work if you do this. I'm certain you've seen those videos of Germans fleeing to a wall with intent to climb them. But before they would successfully ignore the wall, they were gunned down. Yeah sure walls will work if you hate your fellow man.

 

[Paul]

The above statement is not an argument. Please state your argument as to why it's bullshirt

Racism is bullshirt. He stated he cannot wait from one group to be minority and another group to be majority with the idea of getting even. That was the message of the post. It was pure racism.

 

[Farb]

Wow. That is so clever! They don't work to keep people out who have any genuine desire to get into whatever the wall is blocking. In this case, the wall would be a marker setting aside land for you and your ilk to have your own Trump Utopia because y'all are too chickenspit to play the game without having it rigged in your favor. That's what all this Trump shirt is about anyway. White people realizing they aren't as special as they thought they were all their lives and getting all mad that black and brown people are about to dwarf them in population numbers and they're terrified of what could be done to them in turn after they become the minority. So they'll gerrymander their way out of feeling repercussions until it spills into the streets.

I thought it was, hence the sunlass emjoi. Did you get that? Did that kind of give you a hint it was a joke? I guess not, but boy, did this white person touch a nerve.

I get it. Orange man bad and all.
I am not sure if whitey is about to be a minority in the country at the rate black women are getting abortions. For all the talk of conservatives being racist, then why would we want to ban abortion which by cause and effect drastically increase the black population of Americans? Do you think maybe those that back abortion are actually racist? I do. Planned Parent knows their founder was a racist and maybe a nazi, but shhhhhh. They are the good guys.

Remind me again who rigs elections? What party pushed through all new voting avenues 'due to the pandemic' and what party thinks black people are too stupid to get a driver license to vote?

But yes all whiteys love Trump and are worried about their political voting future. Something tells you took legal theory in law school, since I have been told that is the only place CRT is taught and discussed.

 

[Farb]

Think you owe @insidejob an apology.

HAHAHA. Yeah, we are all so quick to apologize for calling someone racist on this board. Trust me I know and I have yet to have a been offered an apology, not that I would accept it or desire it. The white knighting is fantastic.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Racism is bullshirt. He stated he cannot wait from one group to be minority and another group to be majority with the idea of getting even. That was the message of the post. It was pure racism.

Can you please quote the part where he said he can't wait for a certain race to be a minority, specifically with the hopes that one group will "get even" with another?

 

[RobF]

HAHAHA. Yeah, we are all so quick to apologize for calling someone racist on this board. Trust me I know and I have yet to have a been offered an apology, not that I would accept it or desire it. The white knighting is fantastic.

You misunderstand. He doesn't owe @insidejob an apology for calling him racist. He owes him an apology for falsely claiming he said something he clearly did not, and wrongly calling him racist.

They're not the same thing.

I don't expect you to get it. Or if you do get it, I don't expect you to admit it.

 

[Paul]

You misunderstand. He doesn't owe @insidejob an apology for calling him racist. He owes him an apology for falsely claiming he said something he clearly did not, and wrongly calling him racist.

They're not the same thing.

I don't expect you to get it. Or if you do get it, I don't expect you to admit it.

The poster said:

White people realizing they aren't as special as they thought they were all their lives and getting all mad that black and brown people are about to dwarf them in population numbers and they're terrified of what could be done to them in turn after they become the minority.

It is a racist statement with an implied threat. The offensive words speak for themselves. This is well beyond making an observation.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The poster said:


It is a racist statement with an implied threat. The offensive words speak for themselves. This is well beyond making an observation.

Which part is racist and how? Which part is an implied threat and what is that threat?

 

[MT15]

I thought it was, hence the sunlass emjoi. Did you get that? Did that kind of give you a hint it was a joke? I guess not, but boy, did this white person touch a nerve.

I get it. Orange man bad and all.
I am not sure if whitey is about to be a minority in the country at the rate black women are getting abortions. For all the talk of conservatives being racist, then why would we want to ban abortion which by cause and effect drastically increase the black population of Americans? Do you think maybe those that back abortion are actually racist? I do. Planned Parent knows their founder was a racist and maybe a nazi, but shhhhhh. They are the good guys.

Remind me again who rigs elections? What party pushed through all new voting avenues 'due to the pandemic' and what party thinks black people are too stupid to get a driver license to vote?

But yes all whiteys love Trump and are worried about their political voting future. Something tells you took legal theory in law school, since I have been told that is the only place CRT is taught and discussed.

Farb, you sometimes over-react. I’m not sure you really want to try to claim the Presidential election was rigged, do you? That seems pretty crazy and I don’t think of you as a Q nut. Not yet, anyway, lol.

Each state runs their own elections, so no, the Democratic Party didn’t push through “all the new voting avenues” I suppose you mean vote by mail? Lol. Here‘s a fun fact, and I do mean fact, you can look up all the voting changes that were made due to a deadly pandemic. They basically consisted of making it easier to vote by mail. And this was done in almost every state.

My state, which went for Trump, did the same stuff that was done in GA, PA, WI, AZ, shoot, every other state in the Union. That’s because elections are run by professionals, by and large, and overseen by members of both political parties. Each ballot is checked agains the voter logs, so it’s impossible to have the sort of cheating that would be necessary to change hundreds of thousands of votes. The changes were due to covid. That’s it. It’s crazy to talk like the Q nuts who think otherwise.

Yes, the US will no longer have a white majority sometime fairly soon. Abortion has nothing to do with that. The abortion rate is small enough to not have a statistical effect, IIRC, and white women still get most of the abortions. Interestingly, Catholics are most common religion of those who listed one. These figures are from 2014, as that is the first article that came up.

The greatest indications of a woman having an abortion are abject poverty and lack of medical insurance.

The drivers license issue was discussed before. There are a lot of barriers for extremely poor people who live in some areas to getting a license. It requires a certified birth certificate, which costs money and involves time, especially if you were born in another state. If you are a woman and have been married, you have to also show your wedding license, again a certified copy, and if you have divorced and then remarried, add in your divorce papers and then your new certified copy of a marriage license. All of this costs money and time. And this is for a “free” state ID. Now consider that where the Rs control the statehouses, they are closing license branches in areas where they don’t want the people to be able to get a license easily.

So, no, Democrats don’t think POC are too stupid to get a license (nice projection there), rather they understand what people are telling them about the barriers they encounter.

 

[Paul]

Which part is racist and how? Which part is an implied threat and what is that threat?

OK, I will make it easy for you. Let's reverse a couple of words and see if you can see the racism.

Black people realizing they aren't as special as they thought they were all their lives and getting all mad that WHITE people are about to dwarf them in population numbers and they're terrified of what could be done to them in turn after they become the minority.

Can you see the racism now? If the statement had not been racist making the switch would have been meaningless.

 

[RobF]

The poster said:


It is a racist statement with an implied threat. The offensive words speak for themselves. This is well beyond making an observation.

In your previous statement that I quoted above, you said white people were running scared because they will be victimized when they're a minority.

@insidejob didn't even go that far; he said the white people he was referring to were terrified of what could be done to them in turn. So if anything your statement making the same observation was stronger.

I can put it in bigger letters if you think that'll help?