An Amicable Separation/Decentralization/Secession (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

https://nationalfile.com/why-dont-w...d-divide-up-into-like-two-or-three-countries/

I find myself never agreeing with this looney tune but I think she is might be on to something. At the very minimum for a conversation. I heard this yesterday evening and have been thinking about a lot last night and today. Curious on others thoughts.
Why do we all have to share a federal government. The 2 sides are not just politically apart, but are different in their core values. I think this needs to be discussed before conflict actually boils to the top.
If we are honest, it is already simmering. This should be a like a divorce only with vast population migration to different areas.
We remain allies with defensive pacts and trade pacts but share not common government.
I get the first reaction is horror but if you think about it, it might be the only way...

What would it look like? What regions/states would go where?

 

[samiam5211]

The poster said:


It is a racist statement with an implied threat. The offensive words speak for themselves. This is well beyond making an observation.

He said white people are terrified.

Maybe he should have said some white people, because I’m not terrified.

I could see how a terrified white person might see it as a threat, but relax, you’re not white, only your name is.

 

[Paul]

In your previous statement that I quoted above, you said white people were running scared because they will be victimized when they're a minority.

@insidejob didn't even go that far; he said the white people he was referring to were terrified of what could be done to them in turn. So if anything your statement making the same observation was stronger.

I can put it in bigger letters if you think that'll help?

There is a threat in there. Ands if you flip the colors you can see he posted something extremely racist.

BLACK people realizing they aren't as special as they thought they were all their lives and getting all mad that WHITE people are about to dwarf them in population numbers and they're terrified of what could be done to them in turn after they become the minority.

 

[Paul]

He said white people are terrified.

Maybe he should have said some white people, because I’m not terrified.

I could see how a terrified white person might see it as a threat, but relax, you’re not white, only your name is.

Yes, I will escape with no issues, I am classified as Hispanic in America. However, I can see the post was racist.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

OK, I will make it easy for you. Let's reverse a couple of words and see if you can see the racism.

Black people realizing they aren't as special as they thought they were all their lives and getting all mad that WHITE people are about to dwarf them in population numbers and they're terrified of what could be done to them in turn after they become the minority.

Can you see the racism now? If the statement had not been racist making the switch would have been meaningless.

And if he had said, "White people are scared because when they become a minority they will be victimized"?

 

[Paul]

And if he had said, "White people are scared because when they become a minority they will be victimized"?

The post is racist. The problem with those in the far left is that they are deep in the echo chamber and cannot see.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The post is racist. The problem with those in the far left is that they are deep in the echo chamber and cannot see.

Don't dodge the question again. It's tiresome. The phrase "White people are scared because when they become a minority they will be victimized" carries the exact same meaning, right?

 

[samiam5211]

Yes, I will escape with no issues, I am classified as Hispanic in America. However, I can see the post was racist.

Which verb or adjective in his point is used to execute the threat?

 

[brandon]

It is a racist statement with an implied threat.

There’s no implied threat. The implication is that the white people who are convulsing against demographic change are irrationally scared.

Maybe he should have said some white people, because I’m not terrified.

Exactly.

I’m not bothered in the slightest by becoming the minority.

 

[Farb]

Wow. That is so clever! They don't work to keep people out who have any genuine desire to get into whatever the wall is blocking. In this case, the wall would be a marker setting aside land for you and your ilk to have your own Trump Utopia because y'all are too chickenspit to play the game without having it rigged in your favor. That's what all this Trump shirt is about anyway. White people realizing they aren't as special as they thought they were all their lives and getting all mad that black and brown people are about to dwarf them in population numbers and they're terrified of what could be done to them in turn after they become the minority. So they'll gerrymander their way out of feeling repercussions until it spills into the streets.

You guys (left and alt-left) believe the 'great reset/great replacement' theory is just alt-right/white supremacy conspiracy theory correct?
Because this sounds exactly like that. So the great reset or actually, the great replacement is an actual thing that will happen. Seems like a double edged sword you are wielding. So, which is it. Am I a white supremist for agreeing with @insidejob here. Is @insidejob also a white supremacist? I get really confused lately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement

 

[brandon]

You guys (left and alt-left) believe the 'great reset/great replacement' theory is just alt-right/white supremacy conspiracy theory correct?
Because this sounds exactly like that. So the great reset or actually, the great replacement is an actual thing that will happen. Seems like a double edged sword you are wielding. So, which is it. Am I a white supremist for agreeing with @insidejob here. Is @insidejob also a white supremacist? I get really confused lately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement

There’s way more to the great replacement than just acknowledging that people of color are on a trajectory to become the majority.

 

[Farb]

Farb, you sometimes over-react. I’m not sure you really want to try to claim the Presidential election was rigged, do you? That seems pretty crazy and I don’t think of you as a Q nut. Not yet, anyway, lol.

Each state runs their own elections, so no, the Democratic Party didn’t push through “all the new voting avenues” I suppose you mean vote by mail? Lol. Here‘s a fun fact, and I do mean fact, you can look up all the voting changes that were made due to a deadly pandemic. They basically consisted of making it easier to vote by mail. And this was done in almost every state.

My state, which went for Trump, did the same stuff that was done in GA, PA, WI, AZ, shoot, every other state in the Union. That’s because elections are run by professionals, by and large, and overseen by members of both political parties. Each ballot is checked agains the voter logs, so it’s impossible to have the sort of cheating that would be necessary to change hundreds of thousands of votes. The changes were due to covid. That’s it. It’s crazy to talk like the Q nuts who think otherwise.

Yes, the US will no longer have a white majority sometime fairly soon. Abortion has nothing to do with that. The abortion rate is small enough to not have a statistical effect, IIRC, and white women still get most of the abortions. Interestingly, Catholics are most common religion of those who listed one. These figures are from 2014, as that is the first article that came up.

The greatest indications of a woman having an abortion are abject poverty and lack of medical insurance.

The drivers license issue was discussed before. There are a lot of barriers for extremely poor people who live in some areas to getting a license. It requires a certified birth certificate, which costs money and involves time, especially if you were born in another state. If you are a woman and have been married, you have to also show your wedding license, again a certified copy, and if you have divorced and then remarried, add in your divorce papers and then your new certified copy of a marriage license. All of this costs money and time. And this is for a “free” state ID. Now consider that where the Rs control the statehouses, they are closing license branches in areas where they don’t want the people to be able to get a license easily.

So, no, Democrats don’t think POC are too stupid to get a license (nice projection there), rather they understand what people are telling them about the barriers they encounter.

You are correct. I often over react.
Why is the fun fact still being used to the depth it was during the pandemic?

People have 4 years to figure out how to get a license and save up for the most times free license if they want to vote. If they won't go through that trouble, maybe they should not be voting. Remember, I think you should have to pass a basic test in order to vote. I want less voters, not more. I want educated voters, not emotional voters so I don't care if someone can't vote. It is ridiculously easy to vote in this country.
Careful, you are agreeing with white supremacy conspiracy theories with the great replacement.

I am sure no one listed catholic when getting an abortion tongue in cheek, but I do love when we always take a swipe at my personal faith. Classy!

 

[brandon]

I want educated voters, not emotional voters so I don't care if someone can't vote.

What if I think you’re uneducated and overly emotional?

What is your level of education that qualifies you to vote?

Someone will have to repeat this question for @Farb because one time he got really emotional and put me on ignore.

 

[Paul]

What if I think you’re uneducated and overly emotional?

What is your level of education that qualifies you to vote?

Someone will have to repeat this question for @Farb because one time he got really emotional and put me on ignore.

Instead of attacking the poster try do have a dialogue. Defend the position that the vote of totally ignorant person is as valid as the vote of a genius. That should not be a difficult task.

 

[brandon]

Instead of attacking the poster try do have a dialogue. Defend the position that the vote of totally ignorant person is as valid as the vote of a genius. That should not be a difficult task.

I’m asking the guy who thinks we should have an education requirement for voting to list his academic qualifications. That should not be a difficult task, except that he put me on ignore because he’s too emotional.

 

[Paul]

I’m asking the guy who thinks we should have an education requirement for voting to list his academic qualifications. That should not be a difficult task, except that he put me on ignore because he’s too emotional.

Try to have a discussion and if you must use a stinger do in context. The debating style of demonizing the other posters 24/7 gets old. I get it all the time.

If he put you on ignore it means he is afraid of a serious discussion or he believes you are not tactful with your words.

 

[brandon]

If he put you on ignore it means he is afraid of a serious discussion or he believes you are not tactful with your words.

 

[Paul]

Brandon
Try to be serious. That was very Twitter like.

 

[brandon]

Brandon
Try to be serious. That was very Twitter like.

Nah.