All things Racist...USA edition (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

I was looking for a place to put this so we could discuss but didn't really find a place that worked so I created this thread so we can all place articles, experiences, videos and examples of racism in the USA.

This is one that happened this week. The lady even called and filed a complaint on the officer. This officer also chose to wear the body cam (apparently, LA doesn't require this yet). This exchange wasn't necessarily racist IMO until she started with the "mexican racist...you will never be white, like you want" garbage. That is when it turned racist IMO

All the murderer and other insults, I think are just a by product of CRT and ACAB rhetoric that is very common on the radical left and sadly is being brought to mainstream in this country.

Another point that I think is worth mentioning is she is a teacher and the sense of entitlement she feels is mind blowing.

https://news.yahoo.com/black-teacher-berates-latino-la-221235341.html

 

[Paul]

so, let me see if I understand what you’re saying:

Actual hate crimes committed by actual racists - you don’t like any extra penalties, just treat them the same as any other graffiti? I think you’ve been clear about that.

But if a POC creates a fake hate crime, there should be a severe penalty?

Fake racism or the Jussie Smollet syndrome is something totally different. This should be treated differently.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Have I said something that is not racist? Honestly, I am confused. I cannot guess what you want to hear.

I sense that you and Sam have defense walls and you will not bringing them down. I don't know why that is the case. Or maybe you want me to be orthodox and join the movement. In any event no worries!

Whatever you are sensing, you are so incredibly wrong. You're also completely missing (or ignoring) every point being made. I am beginning to think that you are not equipped to participate in a rational discussion.

 

[MT15]

Fake racism or the Jussie Smollet syndrome is something totally different. This should be treated differently.

Different how, please be specific.

 

[Farb]

Different how, please be specific.

This was not addressed to me, but in my opinion, one is staged to establish victimhood at the cost of truth and possible civil unrest and one is a crime.
To that end, the faking of crime especially current 'hate' crimes should have a sever penalty, otherwise they will keep happening and peoples lives will be ruined because someone is obviously mentally ill.

 

[Paul]

Different how, please be specific.

Psychiatric counseling. Why would anyone want to create fake hate crimes? This is not about hating someone. It could very well be that the perpetrators wants to keep the issue of racism and hate in the forefront. It is very difficult to understand why anyone would do this. Do you have any ideas?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

This was not addressed to me, but in my opinion, one is staged to establish victimhood at the cost of truth and possible civil unrest and one is a crime.
To that end, the faking of crime especially current 'hate' crimes should have a sever penalty, otherwise they will keep happening and peoples lives will be ruined because someone is obviously mentally ill.

The stiffer penalties would be an effort to deter people from faking hate crimes in the future?

 

[Paul]

This was not addressed to me, but in my opinion, one is staged to establish victimhood at the cost of truth and possible civil unrest and one is a crime.
To that end, the faking of crime especially current 'hate' crimes should have a sever penalty, otherwise they will keep happening and peoples lives will be ruined because someone is obviously mentally ill.

Victims of oppression and hate often have solidarity with each other, it can be a unifying factor. In a strange sense that can be empowering.

 

[Farb]

The stiffer penalties would be an effort to deter people from faking hate crimes in the future?

Is that not the desired effect of penalties and punishment?

 

[MT15]

Farb, it just seems a bit odd that actual racism doesn’t deserve any special punishment, but faking racism does. I should think both are equally deserving of the same treatment.

Can you explain why you think faking a racist act is more damaging than an actual racist act?

It seems to me both run the risk of civil unrest, and both are liable to happen more frequently if not addressed.

 

[Farb]

Farb, it just seems a bit odd that actual racism doesn’t deserve any special punishment, but faking racism does. I should think both are equally deserving of the same treatment.

Can you explain why you think faking a racist act is more damaging than an actual racist act?

I don't make the law unfortunately. I am only stating how the current laws are and I think you have them backwards.
Like I said, one will be treated as graffiti and vandalism and one was treated as a hate crime. If you fake a hate crime, you get the punishment of the hate crime you faked but we all know that will never happen. Why is the real question. Preserved victimhood and the victimhood hierarchy

 

[samiam5211]

I don't make the law unfortunately. I am only stating how the current laws are and I think you have them backwards.
Like I said, one will be treated as graffiti and vandalism and one was treated as a hate crime. If you fake a hate crime, you get the punishment of the hate crime you faked but we all know that will never happen. Why is the real question. Preserved victimhood and the victimhood hierarchy

I think faking a hate crime should be given harsher punishment than faking a crime or false reporting, for the same reasons that a hate crime is given harsher punishment.

A fake hate crime impacts everyone in the group of the fake victim just like a hate crime.

If someone is going around murdering white men because they hate white men, then it affects all white men, because any of them could be the next target.

Falsely reporting that there is someone going around murdering white men because they hate white men would have the exact same impact on all white men as it would if there really was a murder going around murdering white men because they hate white men.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Is that not the desired effect of penalties and punishment?

If that is the case, racial hate crimes should carry extra penalties as well, yet you argue against that. Both are based on race, which we know carries a significantly increased risk of emboldening others and ruining lives.

 

[Farb]

I think faking a hate crime should be given harsher punishment than faking a crime or false reporting, for the same reasons that a hate crime is given harsher punishment.

A fake hate crime impacts everyone in the group of the fake victim just like a hate crime.

If someone is going around murdering white men because they hate white men, then it affects all white men, because any of them could be the next target.

Falsely reporting that there is someone going around murdering white men because they hate white men would have the exact same impact on all white men as it would if there really was a murder going around murdering white men because they hate white men.

Very well said. I agree. And I think you said what I was trying to say better.

 

[Paul]

Farb, it just seems a bit odd that actual racism doesn’t deserve any special punishment, but faking racism does. I should think both are equally deserving of the same treatment.

Can you explain why you think faking a racist act is more damaging than an actual racist act?

A true racially motivated hate crime should be punished by law.

A fake hate crime needs psychiatric care. It should be treated as an addiction.

Whatever you are sensing, you are so incredibly wrong. You're also completely missing (or ignoring) every point being made. I am beginning to think that you are not equipped to participate in a rational discussion.

Besides Ad Hominem, do you have an argument? All you have said is that people deserve empathy. I actually agree with that. But the empathy should be spontaneous and not forced, faked, or condescending.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

A true racially motivated hate crime should be punished by law.

A fake hate crime needs psychiatric care. It should be treated as an addiction.

Besides Ad Hominem, do you have an argument? All you have said is that people deserve empathy. I actually agree with that. But the empathy should be spontaneous and not forced, faked, or condescending.

That's a gross oversimplification of one of the many things I have said. You are either lying or you are unable to comprehend basic concepts.

You are also once more demonstrating that you don't understand what an ad hominem attack is. I didn't attack you as a way to attack any argument or point you made. I offered an opinion based on my interactions with you as well as my observation of your interactions with other posters.

 

[Paul]

That's a gross oversimplification of one of the many things I have said. You are either lying or you are unable to comprehend basic concepts.

You are also once more demonstrating that you don't understand what an ad hominem attack is. I didn't attack you as a way to attack any argument or point you made. I offered an opinion based on my interactions with you as well as my observation of your interactions with other posters.

My Ad Hominem detector is set to low and I can still I recognized your disguised Ad Hominem.

Why do you have a wall of defensive mechanisms?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

My Ad Hominem detector is set to low and I can still I recognized your disguised Ad Hominem.

Why do you have a wall of defensive mechanisms?

You are demonstrating your complete lack of knowledge. I've demonstrated more than once how I am not engaging in any ad hominem attacks and you still can't follow.

 

[RobF]

You are demonstrating your complete lack of knowledge. I've demonstrated more than once how I am not engaging in any ad hominem attacks and you still can't follow.

Ironically, he also demonstrated an actual ad hominem argument, by responding to your argument without addressing the substance of it and instead accusing you of having a 'wall of defensive mechanisms'.

Which he does a lot.