All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[bird]

Idiotic

California bans school rules requiring parents get notified of child’s pronoun change

Proponents say the law will help protect LGBTQ students, while opponents say it will hinder schools’ ability to communicate transparently with parents.

www.nbcnews.com

None of your business.

Perhaps trans kids have parents who are flocking azzhats.

 

[MT15]

Idiotic

California bans school rules requiring parents get notified of child’s pronoun change

Proponents say the law will help protect LGBTQ students, while opponents say it will hinder schools’ ability to communicate transparently with parents.

www.nbcnews.com

Okay, let’s think this through.

Suppose there is a child who feels they have some gender issues, but they cannot talk with their parents because their mom or dad hits them and punishes them when they tried in the past. They do have a trusted teacher, or a guidance counselor, at school that they can confide in and that could get them some help or even just a sympathetic ear to listen to them while they reason things out.

Republicans want to mandate that this teacher MUST inform parents about what that child tells them in confidence, even in abusive homes.

This is why you leave it up to the teacher’s discretion.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Idiotic

California bans school rules requiring parents get notified of child’s pronoun change

Proponents say the law will help protect LGBTQ students, while opponents say it will hinder schools’ ability to communicate transparently with parents.

www.nbcnews.com

when i was a kid, they used to give us a beat down with a paddle, and didn't have to notify the parents..

 

[Farb]

Maybe someday you will come to terms with what people are doing to children under the cover of organized religious institutions, this includes religious schools as well.

I am fully aware, as I have put my thoughts out on that topic ad nauseum before. I am also aware of the sexual abuse problem in our public school system but I have a feeling you don't see that one as problem at all.

 

[Farb]

https://www.latimes.com/california/...o-stiffen-penalties-for-child-sex-trafficking

Why would the LGTBQ community and minority communities be negatively impacted by a bill to make child prostitution and harsher penalty? They won't but that is a the claim by the Dems in California that tried to kill the bill.

 

[coldseat]

https://www.latimes.com/california/...o-stiffen-penalties-for-child-sex-trafficking

Why would the LGTBQ community and minority communities be negatively impacted by a bill to make child prostitution and harsher penalty? They won't but that is a the claim by the Dems in California that tried to kill the bill.

Why are you making this about LGBTQ+ and minority communities when the article makes no mention of those communities or any opposition to the bill from those communities?

This article doesn't belong in this thread.

 

[MT15]

I am fully aware, as I have put my thoughts out on that topic ad nauseum before. I am also aware of the sexual abuse problem in our public school system but I have a feeling you don't see that one as problem at all.

No, I know about those cases as well. The difference that I have seen is this: we don’t find out years later that a public school teacher was found to be sexually abusing kids and then the school administrators covered it up and transferred the teacher to a different school. When a public school teacher is found to have abused a kid, they are summarily fired. Sometimes prosecuted. I only say sometimes because I know of one case locally where the girl and her parents refused to cooperate and so no charges were filed. The girl turned 18 shortly after and moved in with the now fired former teacher.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

https://www.latimes.com/california/...o-stiffen-penalties-for-child-sex-trafficking

Why would the LGTBQ community and minority communities be negatively impacted by a bill to make child prostitution and harsher penalty? They won't but that is a the claim by the Dems in California that tried to kill the bill.

from the article you posted, maybe you didn't read it, or your question was rhetorical and didn't really want some to answer your question..
even though i saw nothing in the article about the LGBTQ community, this was the was the reason for opposition.

Borgeson, a manager for the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, an advocacy organization opposed to SB 14, said the measure “does nothing to prevent the trafficking of minors or provide them with the healing that they need and deserve.”

“The people most vulnerable to being charged with trafficking are the victims of trafficking themselves. Charges are used to leverage their cooperation in prosecution and their survivor status is erased with many currently incarcerated in both youth and adult prisons,” Assembymember Isaac Bryan (D-Los Angeles), a close Rivas ally, wrote on Twitter. Bryan is a member of the Public Safety Committee, and abstained from voting on SB 14 both on Tuesday and Thursday.

@Farb , can you please quote the part you reference why this pertains to the LGBTQ comminuty, or even the minority community?

 

[MT15]

Idiotic

California bans school rules requiring parents get notified of child’s pronoun change

Proponents say the law will help protect LGBTQ students, while opponents say it will hinder schools’ ability to communicate transparently with parents.

www.nbcnews.com

Since you never responded to why this is definitely NOT idiotic, I thought I would try to engage in a thoughtful way once again.

Trans kids are often abused or even become homeless once their parents find out. This policy would force teachers to put trans kids in danger of abuse or homelessness.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A southern California school district involved in an ongoing legal battle with the state over the district’s gender-identity policy sued Gavin Newsom on Tuesday over a new law banning districts from requiring that parents be notified of their child’s gender identification change.

The Chino Valley Unified school district and a handful of parents argued the law violates the rights of parents protected under the US constitution.

“School officials do not have the right to keep secrets from parents, but parents do have a constitutional right to know what their minor children are doing at school,” Emily Rae, a lawyer representing the district, said in a statement.


But a Newsom spokesperson, Izzy Gardon, called the lawsuit “deeply unserious” and said the new law “preserves the child-parent relationship”.

“California law ensures minors can’t legally change their name or gender without parental consent, and parents continue to have guaranteed and full access to their student’s educational records consistent with federal law,” Gardon said in an email. “We’re confident the state will swiftly prevail in this case.”

Rob Bonta, the state’s attorney general, sued Chino Valley Unified over a rule its board approved last year requiring school staff to notify parents if their children change their gender identification or pronouns. Bonta said the law discriminated against gender non-conforming students. A judge halted the policy while the case plays out, and the district later updated the rule to broadly require parents to be notified if their child asks to make any changes to their student records.

LGBTQ+ advocacy groups lauded the new California law, while opponents said the ban makes it harder for schools to be transparent with parents.

Newsom signed the first-in-the-nation law on Monday, which bans districts from requiring school staff to disclose a student’s gender identity or sexual orientation to any other person without the child’s permission, with some exceptions. It also requires the state department of education to develop resources for families of LGBTQ+ students in seventh grade through high school. The law will take effect in January.

Proponents of the ban say it will help protect transgender and gender non-conforming students who live in unwelcoming households.


“This critical legislation strengthens protections for LGBTQ+ youth against forced outing policies, provides resources for parents and families of LGBTQ+ students to support them as they have conversations on their terms, and creates critical safeguards to prevent retaliation against teachers and school staff who foster a safe and supportive school environment for all students,” said Tony Hoang, executive director of LGBTQ+ advocacy group Equality California, in a statement.

But some conservative groups, including the California Family Council, said the law violates parents’ rights.…….

California school district sues Gavin Newsom over new gender-identity law

Lawsuit centers on rule requiring school staff to notify parents if their children change their gender identification or pronouns

www.theguardian.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Since you never responded to why this is definitely NOT idiotic, I thought I would try to engage in a thoughtful way once again.

Trans kids are often abused or even become homeless once their parents find out. This policy would force teachers to put trans kids in danger or abuse or homelessness.

i'm sure thats the kind of thing he hopes happens to these kids. it serves them right!

 

[bird]

I am fully aware, as I have put my thoughts out on that topic ad nauseum before. I am also aware of the sexual abuse problem in our public school system but I have a feeling you don't see that one as problem at all.

Then link to the sexual abuse problem in public schools and put it in another thread.

Your hatred of LGBTQIA+ people is obvious. Your pathetic and disgusting attempt to claim said people groom children is worse. This is a RW scare tactic. But the scare tactic fits your hatred of LGBTQIA+ people so it is not surprising.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I am fully aware, as I have put my thoughts out on that topic ad nauseum before. I am also aware of the sexual abuse problem in our public school system but I have a feeling you don't see that one as problem at all.

nope, do you think the sexual abuse is an LGBTQ problem in public shools? and if so, how do yuo explain it happening way before the LGBTQ movement and how do you explain it existing for so long in the church and christian schools?

 

[Farb]

Why are you making this about LGBTQ+ and minority communities when the article makes no mention of those communities or any opposition to the bill from those communities?

This article doesn't belong in this thread.

Several Cali Dems stood up and sand the bill stating that they were voting against it because of the impact on minority and LGTBQ communities. I didn't say, they did.

 

[Farb]

nope, do you think the sexual abuse is an LGBTQ problem in public shools? and if so, how do yuo explain it happening way before the LGBTQ movement and how do you explain it existing for so long in the church and christian schools?

No, I don't and didn't say the public school sexual abuse problem is related to the LGB movement.

I think the original question was why has there been push back 'in the last 8 years or so' on the LGTBQ movement. It was to imply that Trump was the cause, I replied there was push back because suddenly the LGTBQ movement began involving children. Then you all did what every marxist/leftist is trained to do and point at religion and the church. And here we are.

 

[MT15]

Then you all did what every marxist/leftist is trained to do

Lolololololol. Sorry, let me catch my breath, nope…lolololololololol

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

still no where have i seen the LGBTQ community oppose it.

 

[coldseat]

Several Cali Dems stood up and sand the bill stating that they were voting against it because of the impact on minority and LGTBQ communities. I didn't say, they did.

That video is on SB 1414. The article you posted with your original comment is on SB 14. Those aren't the same bills.

Also, just because somebody mentions the LGBTQ+ community in some comments, it doesn't mean it's a position or agende held by the LGBTQ+ community as a whole.