All Things LGBTQ+ (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[wardorican]

There is already a pretty long tail of steps you need to take for medical transition.

Basically, medical procedures should be evaluated and approved/denied by medical professionals based on continuously improving medical research. That's it. It is not something to vote on by the public.

Yeah. I don't need Johnny Q Public deciding if my wife needs a spine procedure or if she should just tough it out.

 

[Optimus Prime]

"So it wasn't a trans person, it was just a manly looking chick. But you can't be too careful these days"
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MAGA firebrand Lauren Boebert “stormed” into a women’s restroom in the Capitol to get “a guy” removed by security on Thursday.

But the conservative Trump loyalist ended up apologizing after it turned out to be a case of “mistaken identity.”

Boebert was overheard on the House floor telling members that she had discovered Delaware Democrat Sarah McBride in the women’s bathroom, according to the Daily Beast.

McBride, the first transgender member of Congress, is not permitted to use the women’s bathrooms after Speaker Mike Johnson renewed a ban on transgender people using single-sex bathrooms.

Boebert told other members that when she thought she saw McBride walking into the bathroom, she said, “You shouldn’t be here,” an anonymous Republican lawmaker told the outlet.

But the Colorado congresswoman then realized the person in the bathroom was not McBride. “I overheard Boebert say she went to apologize,” the lawmaker added.

Bloomberg Congress reporter Billy House also witnessed the incident and described Boebert “bursting out” of the women’s bathroom “complaining to security personnel stationed in the nearby Speakers Lobby of "a guy" inside.”

House said he was “intrigued” and saw four other people leave the bathroom after Boebert. “All women,” he noted in a series of posts on X (formerly Twitter).

“Within minutes, however, Boebert was storming back from the House floor into the restroom — reinforced by Rep. Nancy Mace in tow.”

“But alas, just seconds after this duo entered the bathroom, they come back out — and went back quietly to the floor,” House said.

Boebert admitted she “made an error regarding a mistaken identity” in a statement to the Daily Beast. “I apologized, learned a lesson, and it won’t happen again,” Boebert said.

McBride confirmed to the outlet that she was not confronted by Boebert and added that she stands by her commitment to comply with the speaker’s bathroom policy..........

Boebert apologizes after trying to kick out ‘a guy’ from Capitol women’s bathroom

Boebert was overheard on the House floor telling members that she had discovered Delaware Democrat Sarah McBride in the women’s bathroom

www.the-independent.com

 

[coldseat]

"So it wasn't a trans person, it was just a manly looking chick. But you can't be too careful these days"
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MAGA firebrand Lauren Boebert “stormed” into a women’s restroom in the Capitol to get “a guy” removed by security on Thursday.

But the conservative Trump loyalist ended up apologizing after it turned out to be a case of “mistaken identity.”

Boebert was overheard on the House floor telling members that she had discovered Delaware Democrat Sarah McBride in the women’s bathroom, according to the Daily Beast.

McBride, the first transgender member of Congress, is not permitted to use the women’s bathrooms after Speaker Mike Johnson renewed a ban on transgender people using single-sex bathrooms.

Boebert told other members that when she thought she saw McBride walking into the bathroom, she said, “You shouldn’t be here,” an anonymous Republican lawmaker told the outlet.

But the Colorado congresswoman then realized the person in the bathroom was not McBride. “I overheard Boebert say she went to apologize,” the lawmaker added.

Bloomberg Congress reporter Billy House also witnessed the incident and described Boebert “bursting out” of the women’s bathroom “complaining to security personnel stationed in the nearby Speakers Lobby of "a guy" inside.”

House said he was “intrigued” and saw four other people leave the bathroom after Boebert. “All women,” he noted in a series of posts on X (formerly Twitter).

“Within minutes, however, Boebert was storming back from the House floor into the restroom — reinforced by Rep. Nancy Mace in tow.”

“But alas, just seconds after this duo entered the bathroom, they come back out — and went back quietly to the floor,” House said.

Boebert admitted she “made an error regarding a mistaken identity” in a statement to the Daily Beast. “I apologized, learned a lesson, and it won’t happen again,” Boebert said.

McBride confirmed to the outlet that she was not confronted by Boebert and added that she stands by her commitment to comply with the speaker’s bathroom policy..........

Boebert apologizes after trying to kick out ‘a guy’ from Capitol women’s bathroom

Boebert was overheard on the House floor telling members that she had discovered Delaware Democrat Sarah McBride in the women’s bathroom

www.the-independent.com

These idiots are so forking stupid and exhausting. Mind your own forking business HAGS!

 

[Optimus Prime]

Transgender prisoner sues Trump over executive order targeting LGBT+ rights

Incarcerated trans woman takes aim at president’s order rolling back protections for LGBT+ Americans

www.independent.co.uk

 

[RobF]

The executive order on "Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness" is just explicit transphobia.

Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces

www.whitehouse.gov

"Consistent with the military mission and longstanding DoD policy, expressing a false “gender identity” divergent from an individual’s sex cannot satisfy the rigorous standards necessary for military service. Beyond the hormonal and surgical medical interventions involved, adoption of a gender identity inconsistent with an individual’s sex conflicts with a soldier’s commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle, even in one’s personal life. A man’s assertion that he is a woman, and his requirement that others honor this falsehood, is not consistent with the humility and selflessness required of a service member."​

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So it's not content with just fuzzily saying, "no transgender people in the military," it's actively attacking their existence and identity as not being true,

 

[coldseat]

The executive order on "Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness" is just explicit transphobia.

Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces

www.whitehouse.gov

"Consistent with the military mission and longstanding DoD policy, expressing a false “gender identity” divergent from an individual’s sex cannot satisfy the rigorous standards necessary for military service. Beyond the hormonal and surgical medical interventions involved, adoption of a gender identity inconsistent with an individual’s sex conflicts with a soldier’s commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle, even in one’s personal life. A man’s assertion that he is a woman, and his requirement that others honor this falsehood, is not consistent with the humility and selflessness required of a service member."​

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So it's not content with just fuzzily saying, "no transgender people in the military," it's actively attacking their existence and identity as not being true,

They've moved on from "adults can do what they want but ..." to outright "you have to be who we say your are or else you will be locked out of society." in two shake of a lamb's tail. Their hatred is always as bright as the sun. Next it will be "Transgendered people need to be rounded up and eliminated for the purity of our blood."

All of this was predictable. Sucks that Americans are more scared of and hate transgender people than they do Nazi fascist.

 

[fooferdoggie]

all the crap Trump is doing all the anti DEI and attacks on people all because of transgender people? or are they going to use them as the scapegoat so they can get away with this and have someone to blame? it sure seems trans are what Trump is totally obsessed with them.

 

[RobF]

all the crap Trump is doing all the anti DEI and attacks on people all because of transgender people? or are they going to use them as the scapegoat so they can get away with this and have someone to blame? it sure seems trans are what Trump is totally obsessed with them.

I can't say I understand the obsession with trans people at all to start off with, but I think it's two things: terrible in its own right, and probably the thin end of a very regressive wedge.

Because, for example, it isn't that large a step from "your gender identity isn't valid" to "your sexual identity isn't valid"; if you're defined by how others expect you to be, and not by your informing them of who you are, then it's not just gender identity that can be imposed.

Similarly, it isn't a huge leap from "transgender people aren't fit to serve in the military" to "women aren't fit to serve in the military." Because if 'mental and physical health standards' can be applied to bar transgender people, they can be applied to bar any group who could be argued, however wrongly, to have lower 'mental and physical health standards' than those who are deemed fit to serve.

To put it another way, we know transgender people are fit to serve in the military, because transgender people have served in the military. So this clearly isn't about applying some actual objective standard. It's about forcing out a group who are being targeted for not complying with regressive and irrational expectations about how people should identify and behave. And I don't believe, for a second, that transgender people are the only group that are seen that way by people with those kinds of beliefs.

I do think there would be considerably more resistance to targeting larger groups with a longer history of acceptance, so I'm not sure how far this kind of rhetoric will go. But this is already too far, and while I hope this is as far as it can go, I fear it isn't.

 

[Booker]

I can't say I understand the obsession with trans people at all to start off with, but I think it's two things: terrible in its own right, and probably the thin end of a very regressive wedge.

Seriously, we're talking about .1% of the population. There's gotta be more worthy things needing to be done than harrassing these people.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Idaho Republican lawmakers call on Supreme Court to reverse same-sex marriage ruling

The measure does not carry the force of law but signals how far the GOP will go to test precedent

www.independent.co.uk

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Well, Trump signed another EO banning transgender care for anyone under the age of 19. Total butt crevasse.

My son turns 18 in a couple of weeks and we have top surgery scheduled for March, we'll see if this effects that. The practice doesn't accept federal funds so I don't think they'll stop. We'll see if insurance uses this as an excuse to deny reimbursement.

 

[coldseat]

Well, Trump signed another EO banning transgender care for anyone under the age of 19. Total butt crevasse.

My son turns 18 in a couple of weeks and we have top surgery scheduled for March, we'll see if this effects that. The practice doesn't accept federal funds so I don't think they'll stop. We'll see if insurance uses this as an excuse to deny reimbursement.

Your son should sue the administration since he's an adult now. I'm sure Lambda Legal of some other LGBTQ+ rights groups will be willing to do it pro-bono. This is going to be the age of litigation.

But I understand not wanting to get involved in the circus.

Home

We are a national organization committed to achieving full recognition of the civil rights of lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, transgender people and everyone living with HIV.

lambdalegal.org

 

[UncleTrvlingJim]

Your son should sue the administration since he's an adult now. I'm sure Lambda Legal of some other LGBTQ+ rights groups will be willing to do it pro-bono. This is going to be the age of litigation.

But I understand not wanting to get involved in the circus.

Home

We are a national organization committed to achieving full recognition of the civil rights of lesbians, gay men, bisexuals, transgender people and everyone living with HIV.

lambdalegal.org

Well, he hasn't been denied anything yet, and I don't think the EO can actually deny private medical care. It's more of the secondary effects I'm worried about.

Also, he's doing so well now mentally (as opposed to a couple of years ago), but there's no way I'm going to subject him to the amount of vitriol and bile he'd get if he made himself a public face of this.

 

[superchuck500]

Well, Trump signed another EO banning transgender care for anyone under the age of 19. Total butt crevasse.

My son turns 18 in a couple of weeks and we have top surgery scheduled for March, we'll see if this effects that. The practice doesn't accept federal funds so I don't think they'll stop. We'll see if insurance uses this as an excuse to deny reimbursement.

Yeah, hopefully this is limited to its instructions within the executive branch - anything beyond that is unlawful. Hopefully it will be enjoined.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Yeah, hopefully this is limited to its instructions within the executive branch - anything beyond that is unlawful. Hopefully it will be enjoined.

you might as well face it trump will stop anything to do with transgender people full stop. he will win in court too because everything he does is going to be blamed on transgender people so his idiots will back home and the SC will really back him. They might as well be non citizens.

 

[wardorican]

The executive order on "Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness" is just explicit transphobia.

Prioritizing Military Excellence and Readiness – The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces

www.whitehouse.gov

"Consistent with the military mission and longstanding DoD policy, expressing a false “gender identity” divergent from an individual’s sex cannot satisfy the rigorous standards necessary for military service. Beyond the hormonal and surgical medical interventions involved, adoption of a gender identity inconsistent with an individual’s sex conflicts with a soldier’s commitment to an honorable, truthful, and disciplined lifestyle, even in one’s personal life. A man’s assertion that he is a woman, and his requirement that others honor this falsehood, is not consistent with the humility and selflessness required of a service member."​

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So it's not content with just fuzzily saying, "no transgender people in the military," it's actively attacking their existence and identity as not being true,

Why is the trans example always a man's assertion that he is a woman?

They cool with women who assert they are men?

 

[fooferdoggie]

Why is the trans example always a man's assertion that he is a woman?

They cool with women who assert they are men?

trans are only men cause they are the ones who go into women's bathrooms. just like the gays are only men. this is how well educated they are.

 

[superchuck500]

Another day, another unconstitutional order.