All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Confused about what?

About what they are allowed and not allowed to do to children.

 

[LA - L.A.]

About what they are allowed and not allowed to do to children.

More accurately, it's about you wanting to dictate to parents what they are allowed and not allowed to do for their children.

 

[MT15]

I saw last night that there have now been six different federal judges put stays on state laws that restrict parents’ rights to get gender affirming care for their children. It’s been unanimous that these laws are being stayed, I think.

The proponents of these laws have been unable to prove that these treatments are harming children and proponents of gender affirming care have been able to show how these treatments are helping.

 

[Snarky Sack]

I saw last night that there have now been six different federal judges put stays on state laws that restrict parents’ rights to get gender affirming care for their children. It’s been unanimous that these laws are being stayed, I think.

The proponents of these laws have been unable to prove that these treatments are harming children and proponents of gender affirming care have been able to show how these treatments are helping.

How do you "prove" that castrating a child harms that child? Anyone who needs that to be "proved" isn't enough in touch with reality to understand any proof of anything.

 

[Snarky Sack]

More accurately, it's about you wanting to dictate to parents what they are allowed and not allowed to do for their children.

So you oppose all laws against parental child abuse?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Proponents of transgenderization of children would sound more honest and intelligent if they would admit that blocking puberty and physical castration is of course harmful to children, but then they would present evidence that there is benefit that outweighs the harm.

Unfortunately for them, there is no such evidence. The oft-cited studies all consist of self-reporting on either diagnostic instruments or surveys - asking people if they are happier having gotten treatment they sought. Not a surprise that they would say yes. Confirmation bias is for everyone.

If there are any studies that have looked at the actual suicide rate of transgender people who have had surgery, vs. transgender people who have not, those studies have not been published. I can't imagine why . . .

The suicide rate among transgenders is very high and surgery does not change that. Gender Dysphoria is very often co-morbid with mental disorders such as depression and autism spectrum disorder. Not surprising that a person with depression thinks that if only they could be different, they would be happier.

What do the long term studies of mental health outcomes for children who have gender affirming care show? We don't know because there are no such studies. This social contagion is recent so if anyone is doing a long term study, we won't have the results until the long term passes. Meanwhile keep cutting?

Surgery cannot change a male into a female or vice versa. If a biological male can be a woman merely by identifying as such, there is no need for the the cosmetic alterations. If progressives believed their own hype, they would say exactly that.

Mental disorders should be treated with psychiatry, not surgery. In fifty years, we will look back at castration for GD the same way we now look at lobotomy for depression.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Warning: Audio level rises quickly.



This unhinged bat shirt is allowed to scream at a public meeting and go on and on.

Ever see that video where a baby sitter lets a boy dress as as princess and then uses her magic powers to stop other boys for bullying him? Transactivists think that is them, but they think that screaming is their magic power.

 

[Snarky Sack]

When should a trans person inform a person who in interested in dating them that they are trans?

Is the answer different for pre-op and post-op trans persons?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Why are questions so hard for transactivists? Be proud of your beliefs and answer questions about them.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Feminist woman attacked by transactivists. And yes. It's for having a different opinion.

 

[Snarky Sack]

People who do not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth are three to six times as likely to be autistic as cisgender people are, according to the largest study yet to examine the connection1. Gender-diverse people are also more likely to report autism traits and to suspect they have undiagnosed autism.

Researchers often use ‘gender diverse’ as an umbrella term to describe people whose gender identities — such as transgender, nonbinary or gender-queer — differ from the sex they were assigned at birth. Cisgender, or cis, refers to people whose gender identity and assigned sex match.

The results come from an analysis of five unrelated databases that all include information about autism, mental health and gender.

“All these findings across different datasets tend to tell a similar story,” says study investigator Varun Warrier, research associate at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom.

Autistic people are more likely than neurotypical people to be gender diverse, several studies show, and gender-diverse people are more likely to have autism than are cisgender people2,3.

Largest study to date confirms overlap between autism and gender diversity

People who do not identify with the sex they were assigned at birth are three to six times as likely to be autistic as cisgender people are.

www.spectrumnews.org

I taking several courses this summer on the topic of students with autism. I just finished a course on the under-identification of females with autism. Part of the problem - brace yourself - is that female children behave differently from male children. The symptoms and criteria for a diagnosis of autism are geared to males, since males with ASD outnumber females with ASD by a ratio of 4:1.

 

[MT15]

We get it, you‘re bigoted against trans people. It’s not interesting and your video clips aren‘t relevant or honest. At all.

 

[LA - L.A.]

And finally the real reason and the honest fear that fuels and drives the hate toward transgender woman is spoken out loud.

When should a trans person inform a person who in interested in dating them that they are trans?

One could always ask them for oneself.

 

[Snarky Sack]

And finally the real reason and the honest fear that fuels and drives the hate toward transgender woman is spoken out loud.

I have no hate or fear of transwomen. Nor do I suffer from a non-existent mental disorder called transphobia. Truth is that if a transwoman wants to pass until she is ready to come out as a biological male, most would need to look for dates at the local school for the blind.

One could always ask them for oneself.

Oh yeah. If I were on the dating scene, I'd ask that immediately. Because I would not want to date a transwoman, which is true of every self-identified straight man on this board.

Of course this transwoman:



Explains starting at 2:54 that she is a biological female, so I'm not sure if I could trust the answer. Luckily, my eyes are still good enough to know the difference. Unless I'm wrong about that, and I am only spotting the obvious ones.

 

[Snarky Sack]

We get it, you‘re bigoted against trans people. It’s not interesting and your video clips aren‘t relevant or honest. At all.

How is that video clip not relevant or honest?

Because you don't want to see it?

 

[LA - L.A.]

I have no hate or fear of transwomen. Nor do I suffer from a non-existent mental disorder called transphobia.

Why are you protesting so hard and so much against things I didn't say? It's not reasonable or logical at all. Your response seems to be an entirely emotional one.

Since you brought it up, if you're not constantly going out of your way to insult and belittle transwomen because you hate and fear them, then why do you keep constantly going out of your way to insult and belittle transwomen?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Why are you protesting so hard and so much against things I didn't say? It's not reasonable or logical at all. You're response seems to be an entirely emotional one.

Since you brought it up, if you're not constantly going out of your way to insult and belittle transwomen because you hate and fear them, then why do you keep constantly going out of your way to insult and belittle transwomen?

LA - L.A. . . . I'm just asking a question or two, because in seeing transwomen and supporters of the transgender movement, I have noticed that an allergy to answering questions seems to be co-morbid. I'm hoping that on an anonymous forum, answers might be more forth coming.

I asked a question, and you alone gave an answer, which I accepted, and I thank you for. Why the amateur psychoanalysis instead of just staying on topic?

I still haven't seen an answer to the now classic, "what is a woman," but I've had one poster answer the one about what does a trans person transition to and from.

 

[LA - L.A.]

LA - L.A. . . . I'm just asking a question or two...

What is the question you were asking when you wrote:

Truth is that if a transwoman wants to pass until she is ready to come out as a biological male, most would need to look for dates at the local school for the blind.​

Why the amateur psychoanalysis instead of just staying on topic?

Why so much emotional protesting against something I didn't actually say?

We don't have to be able to analyze an emotional response to be able to recognize a clearly emotional response, as being a clearly emotional response, when we all see it.

You constantly engage in amateur psychoanalysis of people who are transgender, their parents, their healthcare providers, and everyone who speaks up for their rights, including members of this board on all counts.

You're a big fan of "gander sauce" are you not?