All Things LGBTQ+ (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[bird]

Here he explains why he had that song on his show:

Irrelevant.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Fred Rogers was a friend to everyone, including the LGBTQ community, especially becoming more vocal about it later in life. He liked all of us just the way we are, and any co-opting his message to mean anything other than the inclusion of all has clearly missed the point and likely has an inner child saddened by the adult they became.

 

[CoolBrees]

Yeah you have to be some kind of bitter to try to use Fred Rogers in a negative manner.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Yeah you have to be some kind of bitter to try to use Fred Rogers in a negative manner.

Posted this before
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Watching this clip again made me mad again

Yes, that terrible evil tyrant Mr. Rogers

Yes sir, this world would be a much better place if people were less like Mr. Rogers and more like Tucker Carlson and Bill O’Reilly

 

[Snarky Sack]

Yeah you have to be some kind of bitter to try to use Fred Rogers in a negative manner.

What are you talking about?

Mr. Rogers had a very positive message for kids who may be confused about their gender. He was out front talking about a subject that, in his experience, many kids have anxiety about.

Contrast that to the "jab 'em and chop 'em, 'cause their body ain't right" approach that the left wants us to take to childhood gender confusion.

 

[Snarky Sack]

My question for people who support the social, medical and surgical transitioning of teens and young children is this:

What are they transitioning from and what are they transitioning to?

 

[CoolBrees]

Statistically speaking, there are no surgeries on children.

The literal handful of cases where there was surgery, the child in question was heavily monitored and evaluated by numerous doctors from across the spectrum of medial professions.

Can you point to a single example of a teen who went through a reassignment surgery the regret, let alone against their will?

If not stop bringing it up.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Statistically speaking, there are no surgeries on children.

The literal handful of cases where there was surgery, the child in question was heavily monitored and evaluated by numerous doctors from across the spectrum of medial professions.

Can you point to a single example of a teen who went through a reassignment surgery the regret, let alone against their will?

If not stop bringing it up.

So what are transgenders, children or adults, transitioning from and transitioning to?

Seems a simple and obvious question to be asked.

 

[coldseat]

My question for people who support the social, medical and surgical transitioning of teens and young children is this:

What are they transitioning from and what are they transitioning to?

They're transitioning from a child that is often distressed, distraught or depressed over their body/gender to one that is healthy, happy, supported and at peace with their body/gender. I don't understand why you anti-trans activist are so hell bent against that.

 

[CoolBrees]

That person in the video never said or proved they were a minor when they had the surgery.

Can you try again with someone who was a child? Or better yet, against their will? Because one person who regrets their decision hardly replaces, ya know, everyone else.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

they allow minors to get cosmetic plastic surgery, breast implants, tatoos, etc. GOP doesn't blink an eye.. yes, they allow 13 yr olds to get breast implants. but usually you have to be rich to have your own doctor, because most wouldn't approve it. but since it's usually the wealthy, they wouldn't even think about preventing that.

 

[Snarky Sack]

They're transitioning from a child that is often distressed, distraught or depressed over their body/gender to one that is healthy, happy, supported and at peace with their body/gender. I don't understand why you anti-trans activist are so hell bent against that.

There is no science to show that.

But I'm glad you don't think that they are transitioning from male to female, or vice versa. That cannot happen.

What can happen is cosmetic changes, and hormonal changes. The hormones are the only method ever shown by science to alleviate depression and they can be given without attempting to "transition" a child or adult from something they are to something they can never be.

 

[Snarky Sack]

they allow minors to get cosmetic plastic surgery, breast implants, tatoos, etc. GOP doesn't blink an eye.. yes, they allow 13 yr olds to get breast implants. but usually you have to be rich to have your own doctor, because most wouldn't approve it. but since it's usually the wealthy, they wouldn't even think about preventing that.

The GOP may not blink and eye, but I do.

I think it should be highly illegal to get a teenage girl breast implants, barring reconstruction after trauma or removal for a medical reason. What kind of a parent does that? I'd bet that it is moms who push that, not dads, just as it is with transgender surgeries.

Seriously, what would you think of a dad who brings his fourteen year old in to get bigger boobs?

In Texas a kid cannot get a tattoo without court approval which is only granted to cover up an existing obscene or gang tattoo, and I agree with that law.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

What are you talking about?

Mr. Rogers had a very positive message for kids who may be confused about their gender. He was out front talking about a subject that, in his experience, many kids have anxiety about.

Contrast that to the "jab 'em and chop 'em, 'cause their body ain't right" approach that the left wants us to take to childhood gender confusion.

And he would be opposed to your stance toward equal rights and treatment for all. Betty Aberlin, on the other hand, would be pissed and let you know it.

 

[coldseat]

There is no science to show that.

Yes there is.

But I'm glad you don't think that they are transitioning from male to female, or vice versa. That cannot happen.

I never said they didn't. They can transition from male to female or female to male or to any point in between those two. As long as they've socially transitioned, I will respect their decision to do so. But what I posted was what their transition was truly about and the reason they're transitioning.

What can happen is cosmetic changes, and hormonal changes. The hormones are the only method ever shown by science to alleviate depression and they can be given without attempting to "transition" a child or adult from something they are to something they can never be.

That's just what your opinion is of what you want to happen to make yourself happy. Let those trans kids and the people responsible for them make their own decision as to what will help them feel whole, secure and happy.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Yes there is.

Show it.

I never said they didn't. They can transition from male to female or female to male or to any point in between those two.

No, they cannot. I'm willing to go along with a self-identity based definition of woman and man, but not of male and female. Those are terms from the science of biology and they have specific meanings. Not just for humans, but for much of the animal world also.

The goal for these children given hormone blockers is for them not to develop the secondary sex characteristics that come when puberty is not interfered with. Therefore, it will be easier to maintain an appearance of being the other sex. It will not make them be the other sex. That is just not possible.

As long as they've socially transitioned, I will respect their decision to do so.

Now what does that mean? If they are not socially transitions you won't respect their decision?

But what I posted was what their transition was truly about and the reason they're transitioning.

I get it. People want what they want and they are happier if they get it.

But I don't think any of the surgery and medication would even be needed if the left really believed what it says about women can have penises, men can have babies, etc. Why not just tell a boy who says he feels like a girl that there is no one way to be a girl, and he should enjoy his body as it is naturally instead of having it altered.

The social transition is all that is really needed. If a kid is depressed, try cross-sex hormones since they are shown to be effective. If those hormones make changes to a boys body to give him the appearance of female sex, and he likes that, so be it. But it is the chemical effects of the hormones that are shown to be effective, not the changes in appearance. Many men who don't want to have a change in appearance are still happier with cross-sex hormones since they help with depression.

Just keep the knives away from the kids, unless they have cancer or other maladies requiring surgery. I support laws to say exactly that, so no one is confused.

That's just what your opinion is of what you want to happen to make yourself happy. Let those trans kids and the people responsible for them make their own decision as to what will help them feel whole, secure and happy.

As adults, I don't care what they do, so long as they rob women of private spaces and sports.

 

[Snarky Sack]

This woman UFC fighter is asked about the man-woman pay gap.

Her expression and her answer are priceless.



I hope she is never incapacitated by a male fighter who is allowed to fight in the women's category.

 

[coldseat]

Show it.

It's already been shown.

No, they cannot. I'm willing to go along with a self-identity based definition of woman and man, but not of male and female. Those are terms from the science of biology and they have specific meanings. Not just for humans, but for much of the animal world also.

The goal for these children given hormone blockers is for them not to develop the secondary sex characteristics that come when puberty is not interfered with. Therefore, it will be easier to maintain an appearance of being the other sex. It will not make them be the other sex. That is just not possible.

Whatever

Now what does that mean? If they are not socially transitions you won't respect their decision?

If they haven't socially transitioned, how would I even know? Silly question.

I get it. People want what they want and they are happier if they get it.

"The pursuit of happiness" is part of the American ethos. All people should be able to pursue their own happiness.

But I don't think any of the surgery and medication would even be needed if the left really believed what it says about women can have penises, men can have babies, etc.

Your opinion.

Why not just tell a boy who says he feels like a girl that there is no one way to be a girl, and he should enjoy his body as it is naturally instead of having it altered.

They are given that option along with other options that include surgery. Some people chose other options.

The social transition is all that is really needed. If a kid is depressed, try cross-sex hormones since they are shown to be effective. If those hormones make changes to a boys body to give him the appearance of female sex, and he likes that, so be it. But it is the chemical effects of the hormones that are shown to be effective, not the changes in appearance. Many men who don't want to have a change in appearance are still happier with cross-sex hormones since they help with depression.

Why don't you just mandate all treatment options for all trans people since you now exactly what they need.

Just keep the knives away from the kids, unless they have cancer or other maladies requiring surgery. I support laws to say exactly that, so no one is confused.

Confused about what?

As adults, I don't care what they do, so long as they rob women of private spaces and sports.

Yes you do.