All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[CoolBrees]

Thanks for the laugh!

It's the least I could do for all of the unintentional comedy you have bestowed this board.

Really. Thank you for being the caricature of exactly what I think every Texan is like.

 

[Snarky Sack]

It's the least I could do for all of the unintentional comedy you have bestowed this board.

Really. Thank you for being the caricature of exactly what I think every Texan is like.

Texans have to overcome that kind of bias all the time. It's pretty easy, though, once people with that bias actually come to Texas:

Here is one such couple's experience:

 

[MT15]

Isn’t that a satire site? It looks like the logo of The Babylon Bee.

 

[CoolBrees]

Texans have to overcome that kind of bias all the time. It's pretty easy, though, once people with that bias actually come to Texas:

Here is one such couple's experience:

Oh I have been to Texas.

In fact, I have led many projects there. I "lived" in Ft Worth working at the Miller brewery and Eagle Pass while I managed construction across the border in Piedras Negras, MX.

I have said before, Texas has the laziest workers in the country and the whiniest people in general.

The state lacks any natural beauty and the weather is miserable.

Suffice it to say every negative stereotype Texas has is warranted and in most cases don't go far enough to describe that dirt hole.

Plus the Cowboys are there.

TLDR- Texas sucks

 

[Snarky Sack]

Isn’t that a satire site? It looks like the logo of The Babylon Bee.

Yes, tossing in a little much-needed humor. It's a pretty funny vid to a Texan, not sure how others would take it.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Oh I have been to Texas.

In fact, I have led many projects there. I "lived" in Ft Worth working at the Miller brewery and Eagle Pass while I managed construction across the border in Piedras Negras, MX.

I have said before, Texas has the laziest workers in the country and the whiniest people in general.

The state lacks any natural beauty and the weather is miserable.

Suffice it to say every negative stereotype Texas has is warranted and in most cases don't go far enough to describe that dirt hole.

Plus the Cowboys are there.

TLDR- Texas sucks

Opinions vary.

But . . . I hate the Cowboys also, so hey! Common ground.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A former senior Trump administration staffer with extremist connections and the legal director of “radical feminist” group the Women’s Liberation Front (Wolf) are now partners in a Wisconsin law firm exclusively focused on anti-transgender litigation.

The firm, Jackson Bone LLP, unites Candice Jackson, who rolled back Title IX protections for complainants in college sexual assault cases under Trump education secretary Betsy DeVos, and Lauren Adams Bone, co-author of a “Women’s Bill of Rights” that has shaped anti-trans bills currently before several state houses.

The partnership and the cases it is currently pursuing reveal the close collaboration between far-right and “gender-critical” anti-trans activists in waging legal warfare on transgender rights – through legislation and litigation.

Jackson Bone formed last September, according to Wisconsin company records. Current cases listed on Jackson Bone’s website are all aimed either at transgender rights, or those providing gender-affirming care to transgender people.

In Chandler v California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, the complaint argues that California law SB 132, that allows transgender women and intersex and non-binary individuals to be transferred to women’s correctional facilities is unconstitutional. But the complaint also portrays transgender women prisoners as male rapists, and denies transgender identity.…….

Jackson Bone: the Trump-linked US law firm engaged in anti-trans litigation

Former administration staffer Candice Jackson partnering with Lauren Adams Bone, legal director of ‘radical feminist’ group

www.theguardian.com

 

[Snarky Sack]

Of all the ideas for promoting transgender acceptance, putting violent men who make belated claims of being women into women's prisons is the most absurd. Not only because of how obviously wrong it is to do that, but also because of how it is so sure to result in rapes that will provide material for the anti-trans acceptance cause.

https://www.illinoistimes.com/springfield/transgender-inmate-accused-of-rape/Content?oid=11867999

A transgender woman sent to Logan Correctional Center from a men's prison has faced rape accusations and remains at the women's prison in Lincoln after the governor's office reportedly overruled a move by corrections officials to return her to a men's facility.

More than one Logan inmate has reported being sexually assaulted by Janiah Monroe, known as Andre Patterson by the Illinois Department of Corrections, according to court documents. In a federal lawsuit aimed at forcing corrections officials to adequately treat gender dysphoria and improve care for transgender inmates, Dr. William Puga, head of psychiatry for the Department of Corrections, last year testified that Monroe wasn't welcomed when she was moved to Logan last spring.

"Dr. Puga received information that Monroe threatened staff and other inmates," U.S. District Court Judge Nancy Rosenstengel wrote in a December injunction ordering the Department of Corrections to provide hormones to transgender inmates and cease making housing assignments based on genitalia or physical appearance. "Women at the facility filed complaints against Monroe under the Prison Rape Elimination Act; some were false but many were legitimate." Puga also testified that Monroe stopped taking hormones after arriving at Logan.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/isla-bryson-trans-woman-convicted-rape-scotland-prison-sentenced/

Isla Bryson, who transitioned from a man to a woman while awaiting trial for raping two women in 2016 and 2019, was sentenced Tuesday to eight years in prison in Scotland. The case sparked a heated debate as Bryson was briefly placed in an all-women's prison before being moved to a men's facility amid a public outcry.​

"You see yourself as the victim in this situation. You are not," judge Lord Scott said at Bryson's sentencing at the High Court in Edinburgh. "It is necessary to punish you and to seek to deter you and others from behaving in this way and, in particular, to protect the public from you."

Bryson was convicted late last month of raping two women in their homes.

She said she had been struggling with her sexuality and having emotional issues at the time, CBS News' partner network BBC News reported. In the sentencing, the judge said he considered testimony that Bryson had a troubled past and suffered from Dyslexia and ADHD. He said he had reached his sentencing decision "on the basis that you are vulnerable in some ways."

"Your vulnerability is no excuse at all for what you did to these two women in 2016 and 2019," the judge said. "Regardless of your own vulnerability, in a period of just under three years, you raped two women who can both be regarded as vulnerable."

I'll say this: male prisoners who are transgender may be asking to be in women's prisons for their own safety as much as for the relative comfort and the opportunity to have sex with women inmates, consensual and forced. Transgenders need their own prisons or at least their own areas within the prison. They should be housed with members of their biological sex first, and then segregated by identified gender. Prisonors should be punished, rehabilitated and kept away from the public for the public safety.

They should NOT be subject to rape, and those rapes should not be facilitated by prison policy focused on affirmation rather than safety.

Trans woman raped 14 times by inmates and staff in men’s prison speaks her truth about ‘nightmare’ existence

...Ashley Diamond, a Black trans woman in a men’s prison, is suing the Georgia Department of Corrections (GDC) after she was sexually assaulted more than 14 times.Diamond, represented by the Center fo

ccrjustice.org

..Ashley Diamond, a Black trans woman in a men’s prison, is suing the Georgia Department of Corrections (GDC) after she was sexually assaulted more than 14 times.

Diamond, represented by the Center for Constitutional Rights and the Southern Poverty Law Center, filed her lawsuit against the GDC on Monday (23 November), alleging that the department has failed to protect her from sexual assault and has not provided adequate healthcare during her incarceration. ...

 

[Incumbent]

Is prison rape an issue the conservative sphere is sincerely concerned about and has given consideration outside of trans hate politics?

I'm all for making prisons much safer places for inmates with a focus on meaningful rehabilitation through therapy, education, skills training, and life coaching. How great it would be to find out there is shared common ground on this issue.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Is prison rape an issue the conservative sphere is sincerely concerned about and has given consideration outside of trans hate politics?

No. Conservatives do not usually give two shirts about prisons, other than that criminals remain in them for longer periods of time.

I'm libertarian, not conservative. I do want them to stay in prison for longer times, but prison should be humane places in which the inmates are monitored and controlled too well for them to rape each other. I oppose the death penality.

I'm all for making prisons much safer places for inmates with a focus on meaningful rehabilitation through therapy, education, skills training, and life coaching. How great it would be to find out there is shared common ground on this issue.

I doubt you'll find that with conservatives. I'm all for it, though. Realizing that such programs take years to be effective, and that it takes perhaps more years for a former violent felon to be reliably rehabilitated.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

You are not Libertairan. . Your views do not allign even close to Libertairian, not according to your post history it does not.

 

[Incumbent]

No. Conservatives do not usually give two shirts about prisons, other than that criminals remain in them for longer periods of time.

I'm libertarian, not conservative. I do want them to stay in prison for longer times, but prison should be humane places in which the inmates are monitored and controlled too well for them to rape each other. I oppose the death penality.

I doubt you're find that with conservatives. I'm all for it, though. Realizing that such programs take years to be effective, and that it takes perhaps more years for a former violent felon to be reliably rehabilitated.

I understand you self-identify as a libertarian.

“I do want them to stay in prison for longer times…”. That is broad. Do you want all persons convicted of crimes to stay in longer?

 

[Snarky Sack]

I understand you self-identify as a libertarian.

“I do want them to stay in prison for longer times…”. That is broad. Do you want all persons convicted of crimes to stay in longer?

Good question, thanks!

No.

I think many crimes for which people can go to prison now should have no incarceration time at all. Drug possession should be no crime at all, much less a prison-worthy felony. But I believe all recreational drugs should be legal anyway.

Property crimes like shoplifting should be punished with community service, with the threat of incarceration enforcing the mandate. Maybe weekend incarceration among fellow shoplifters, not hardened criminals. Get non-violent offenders out of the prison to make room for longer sentences for violent offenders.

 

[Incumbent]

Good question, thanks!

No.

I think many crimes for which people can go to prison now should have no incarceration time at all. Drug possession should be no crime at all, much less a prison-worthy felony. But I believe all recreational drugs should be legal anyway.

Property crimes like shoplifting should be punished with community service, with the threat of incarceration enforcing the mandate. Maybe weekend incarceration among fellow shoplifters, not hardened criminals. Get non-violent offenders out of the prison to make room for longer sentences for violent offenders.

I appreciate the answer and we strongly agree on this point.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I think this is interesting and relevant to the discussion on gender.

A revered and powerful female leader revealed by new method to determine sex of old bones | CNN

The new technique opens up a new window on the past and may signal a sexual revolution for archaeology.

www.cnn.com

 

[Snarky Sack]

Mr. Rogers explains it:

 

[Snarky Sack]

Here he explains why he had that song on his show:

 

[LA - L.A.]

I think this is interesting and relevant to the discussion on gender.

A revered and powerful female leader revealed by new method to determine sex of old bones | CNN

The new technique opens up a new window on the past and may signal a sexual revolution for archaeology.

www.cnn.com

The article talks about how we now have the ability to test bones to determine chromosomal sex and that we've already learned that a Copper Age leader who was thought to be male is actually female. It also discusses how some anthropologists see this as possible evidence that gender used to be much less binary than has been traditionally thought.

Other bones will be tested. It will be interesting to see if we made the wrong assumptions about chromosomal sex in other instances.