All Things LGBTQ+ (1 Viewer)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[SystemShock]

That’s not what I asked you to do. You said a student protest over restrictions that apply to LGBT students was a cult rally.

Per request, here are defining characteristics:

Cult | Definition, Characteristics & Behavior - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

What is a cult? Learn what makes a cult and the characteristics of a cult. Are there different types of cults? Find an overview of cult behavior here.

study.com

He's a Catholic. He should know

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Puberty blockers: Definition, purpose, what to expect, and more

Puberty blockers are medications that a person can take to stop the development of puberty. Learn more about them here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Parents & Families | Trans Care BC

Access information and support to help navigate your family’s unique journey.

www.phsa.ca

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/well/family/what-are-puberty-blockers.html

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Optimus Prime]

When Oklahoma lawmakers met last week to distribute more than $108 million in federal pandemic relief funds for one of the state’s largest hospital systems, many expected a routine vote in favor of upgrading its medical records and a cancer-treatment center.


Instead, Republican lawmakers added an explosive provision: OU Health would only get these funds, including $39.4 million for a new pediatric mental health facility, if its Oklahoma Children’s Hospital stopped providing gender-affirming care.

The move, which Oklahoma Gov. Kevin J. Stitt (R) signed into law on Tuesday, marks the first time conservative state lawmakers have successfully tied gender-affirming care to the receipt of funds from the American Rescue Plan Act (ARPA), the $1.9 trillion effort to restart the economy and harden medical care during the coronavirus pandemic.

Oklahoma Republicans, who were pushed into action through a campaign led by a pair of conservative podcasters, hailed the move as necessary to restrict the type of medical care for young transgender patients that has riled the party’s base this year…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/04/oklahoma-gop-covid-funds-hospital-gender-care/

 

[SystemShock]

Par for the course that female athletes get screwed, no pun intended.

 

[MT15]

Par for the course that female athletes get screwed, no pun intended.

The anti-trans movement we see on the right doesn’t give a damn about women or girls. They are actually anti-woman as well.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Velma confirmed as lesbian in new Scooby-Doo film after years of sexual ambiguity

Character was never given explicitly gay storylines in earlier live-action iterations, despite creators verifying her sexuality

www.independent.co.uk

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Velma confirmed as lesbian in new Scooby-Doo film after years of sexual ambiguity

Character was never given explicitly gay storylines in earlier live-action iterations, despite creators verifying her sexuality

www.independent.co.uk

There was ambiguity? We've always known.

 

[SystemShock]

Velma confirmed as lesbian in new Scooby-Doo film after years of sexual ambiguity

Character was never given explicitly gay storylines in earlier live-action iterations, despite creators verifying her sexuality

www.independent.co.uk

Is this really necessary?

Maybe they can "confirm" Shaggy is a stoner and have him hit bongs, maybe some lines, shoot some heroin... maybe make Daphne transgender... obviously Fred is gay, so maybe he can blow Shaggy for drugs... kids will love it.

Scooby already has a speech impediment, so I guess that's covered

 

[CoolBrees]

So here is an actual news organization doing actual investigation and reporting.

I think everyone should read this as it will challenge all opinions I have read here.


Eta- and if you just read the lede and think you can make and opinion on their argument, you will look dumb.

As children line up at gender clinics, families confront many unknowns

Thousands of transgender U.S. youths are medically transitioning. The treatments they receive have little scientific evidence of long-term safety and efficacy.

www.reuters.com

 

[coldseat]

So here is an actual news organization doing actual investigation and reporting.

I think everyone should read this as it will challenge all opinions I have read here.


Eta- and if you just read the lede and think you can make and opinion on their argument, you will look dumb.

As children line up at gender clinics, families confront many unknowns

Thousands of transgender U.S. youths are medically transitioning. The treatments they receive have little scientific evidence of long-term safety and efficacy.

www.reuters.com

A very good article. It reminds me a lot of where Autism treatment was at from 1995 through 2010 for adolescents. Unfortunately, one of the constants in new/emerging fields of study and treatment is always long term effects of different approaches/medicine. Those take time to develop and in the interim patients/parents always have wade through it all hoping they get it right. Which is why if we just removed the stigma and vitriol surrounding transgendered people and gender affirming care, we could arrive at better informed long term care guidance. But for now, even the companies that make puberty blockers aren't willing to study the long term effects on adolescents using it to treat gender dysphoria because of the backlash they'd receive. So this is what we have.

 

[MT15]

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I saw this earlier. The way he holds her feet to the fire is beautiful. I would love to cast a vote for Jon Stewart as president.

 

[Taurus]

Is that Carmella Soprano? Careful there, Jon. Tony may be dead, but being mean to a Don's wife can get you whacked.

 

[Farb]

That’s not what I asked you to do. You said a student protest over restrictions that apply to LGBT students was a cult rally.

Per request, here are defining characteristics:

Cult | Definition, Characteristics & Behavior - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

What is a cult? Learn what makes a cult and the characteristics of a cult. Are there different types of cults? Find an overview of cult behavior here.

study.com

Well, I asked for your definition of a cult. I don't think that is an odd request giving the track record of the left and their aversion to using the normal and established definition of anything really. See 'woman' for an example.
You also provided me characteristics of a cult instead of a definition to use in our little debate.

Lets use this one

Definition of cult​

1: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious (see SPURIOUS sense 2)also : its body of adherentsthe voodoo culta satanic cult
2a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (such as a film or book)criticizing how the media promotes the cult of celebrityespecially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b: the object of such devotion
c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotionthe singer's cult of fansThe film has a cult following.
3: a system of religious beliefs and ritualalso : its body of adherentsthe cult of Apollo
4: formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
5: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgatorhealth cults

We can have a lot of fun with #5.

In regards to the 'walk out' you guys were so fired up about, it usually take about a week for the truth to come out about these 'grass roots, student led' skip days and turns out, it was mainly a skip day for the kids and the adult activists that coordinated the walkout and the media coverage

https://www.dailywire.com/news/tran...ed-to-skip-school-boasts-about-tricking-media
National media covered “walkouts” by students supposedly objecting to transgender policies from Virginia Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s administration, but internal video of the “student” group shows that it is led by an adult former Democrat staffer and that the group knew that a large portion of students had no interest in the cause and simply wanted to skip school.

In video of an internal Zoom call obtained by The Daily Wire, the Pride Liberation Project bragged about having tricked the media.

The group’s leader claimed, “We had at least 12,000 students walk out. We were the reason Joe Biden was asked a question on this issue.” It boasted of “coverage from USA Today, the Richmond Times Dispatch, the Virginia Pilot, the Washington Post, AP News, and even some international outlets.”

But in a debrief after the walkouts, one student asked, “I want to know if anyone else had this problem. Yesterday at the school walkout we had about 200 kids participating. Most of the students were just there to skip class. Most of the fliers I handed out got handed right back to me because most of the people weren’t there for the cause of the walkout, they just wanted to skip class.”

Hard to imagine high school kids using an excuse to get out of class.

 

[Farb]

When you thought this person was trans, it was completely inappropriate and harmful to the children, but if he (would be “he” if this is a troll) was doing it to “own the libs” then you think it’s great, and the children be damned! That right there proves you don’t really care about the children in this case. How are the children hypothetically “harmed” by this person in one case and not harmed in the other?

So we know for sure, or is this your attempt to finally paint me in a corner? LOL
It would be funny. I know humor is not a thing on the left, but I can appreciate it when it mocks those that are in charge and their ideology.

 

[Farb]

You are mischaracterizing the use of puberty blockers. You continue to do so, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. What is the point of talking about this any further with you?

From Scientific American:

“The truth is that data from more than a dozen studies of more than 30,000 transgender and gender-diverse young people consistently show that access to gender-affirming care is associated with better mental health outcomes—and that lack of access to such care is associated with higher rates of suicidality, depression and self-harming behavior. (Gender diversity refers to the extent to which a person’s gendered behaviors, appearance and identities are culturally incongruent with the sex they were assigned at birth. Gender-diverse people can identify along the transgender spectrum, but not all do.) Major medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Associationand the American Psychiatric Association, have published policy statements and guidelines on how to provide age-appropriate gender-affirming care. All of those medical societies find such care to be evidence-based and medically necessary.”

What the Science on Gender-Affirming Care for Transgender Kids Really Shows

Laws that ban gender-affirming treatment ignore the wealth of research demonstrating its benefits for trans people’s health

www.scientificamerican.com

That doesn't add up does it. If that is the case, then why do these clinics that make a lot of money on these types of drugs/procedures are now stopping them if they have evidence and studies that show they are overwhelming positive? Why would the
dutch model an most European countries stopping these then? Why not defend the practice of giving puberty blockers to minors for mental treatments if that is the overwhelming scienitfic evidence is showing? What gives in your opinion?
Remember, a few short months ago, you were positive this was not happening at all and was a right wing conspiracy theory. What do you think now?

 

[Farb]

There isn't any point, unless we enjoy repeating ourselves to someone who simply ignores anything that conflicts with their prejudices.

I agree. especially those that have such a slim grasp on reality that if someone told them that they are a bad person if they don't believe that 'some males' can have babies, they would believe them regardless of all of human existence. But, to each their own.