All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Farb]

Yea, you guys will forget all about the ridiculous arguments you have made against him, and go from being wrong to "owning the libs". TBH, those to spots are the same place, so that checks out.

you mean 'she'.

 

[Farb]

So... Tolkien's Middle Earth and the Bible are comparable works of fiction? I agree.

Can you actually read? Where were we talking about the bible? Well, you didn't shoehorn in Trump, so I guess....good job!?

 

[Farb]

The proof you don’t care about what he is doing, only if he is hurting the people you want to hurt.

You almost got there. I don't care what he does as long as he does not hurt the people I want to protect (children).

 

[Farb]

You seriously need to quit telling me what I think, I already said I don’t think it’s appropriate for this person to wear these prosthetics. I said, exactly, that only the actual person thinks it’s appropriate. But I guess we have to amend that now, because you have admitted that if this person is doing it “ironically” then you think it’s great.

Then, pray tell, why were you attacking me for thinking it was wrong as well? Because you associate a man dressed as a woman with comically large breasts to be trans person (just as drag is woman face) so all attacks on his behavior is a bigoted attack. That also shows the hypocrisy of the trans movement.

Sure, I will find humor in his troll, if that is what it is. I don't think it is however. But, it was, it will show the school board for exactly what they are. Political ideologues that could careless about teaching kids and more about moving forward their ideology.

 

[Farb]

Everyone has already been over that repeatedly, the confusion is yours - no-one else is confusing trans men being able to have babies with other men being able to grow babies in prostates - and those 'conversations' finished. Everything you had to offer, such as it was, had been addressed, repeatedly. You just ignored it.


You're attempting to draw a false equivalence between a professional document consisting of just over a hundred pages written by interdisciplinary professionals, with many pages of references of published, peer reviewed, science, that directly addresses your questions about transgender healthcare... with a series of books of and about Tolkien's creative work in developing Middle-earth consisting of thousands of pages, and the Bible.

That's not how that works.


A more correct analogy would be if I repeatedly demonstrated I knew nothing whatsoever about the Bible, even claimed, bizarrely, that it didn't exist, and, on being handed a copy, refused to even look at it, but still demanded you take my opinions about its contents seriously.

Because, again, "That's not the logic. The logic is you have to read and comprehend what is provided to you in order to offer a meaningful opinion on it." You've just ignored that, and repeated your false premise of "having to comply." Because that's all you do.

So you agree that trans women are not real females of the species and trans men are not the real male of the species? See, I can agree to that.

Now we have the question, since you agree that trans women are not real women, why do you support medical transition for children if it actually does nothing more than make them 'look' like the opposite sex of the species?

No, I am drawing a line between 2 works of fiction. Do think it is possible for medical professionals to be wrong and to be in agreement when they are wrong? Zophran and Thalidomide would like a word. The play big pharma has and the money these treatments and drugs bring can not be underplayed as well, do you agree?

Have we ever seen doctors get onboard and prescribe harmful medication due to the published works paid for by the pharma company and it creates an epidemic? I bet you have. But you think that is impossible with children being given off label drugs to treat a mental problem as a physical problem? I wish I had your unrelenting faith.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Can you actually read? Where were we talking about the bible? Well, you didn't shoehorn in Trump, so I guess....good job!?

Post #2944. You brought it up as part of your terrible analogy.

 

[Farb]

Post #2944. You brought it up as part of your terrible analogy.

Brought it up when discussing Tolkien or in a completely unrelated discussion?

And you know more than anyone, my analogies are usually pretty terrible.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Brought it up when discussing Tolkien or in a completely unrelated discussion?

Brought it up in the exact same post as Tolkien. It was all part of the same thought.

And you know more than anyone, my analogies are usually pretty terrible.

Usually? Don't sell yourself short.

 

[superchuck500]

You want me to defend to my conclusion that the radical LGTBQ movement is a cult. Sure. This will be fun.

Provide the definition of 'cult' that you want me to use.

That’s not what I asked you to do. You said a student protest over restrictions that apply to LGBT students was a cult rally.

Per request, here are defining characteristics:

Cult | Definition, Characteristics & Behavior - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

What is a cult? Learn what makes a cult and the characteristics of a cult. Are there different types of cults? Find an overview of cult behavior here.

study.com

 

[MT15]

You almost got there. I don't care what he does as long as he does not hurt the people I want to protect (children).

When you thought this person was trans, it was completely inappropriate and harmful to the children, but if he (would be “he” if this is a troll) was doing it to “own the libs” then you think it’s great, and the children be damned! That right there proves you don’t really care about the children in this case. How are the children hypothetically “harmed” by this person in one case and not harmed in the other?

 

[MT15]

So you agree that trans women are not real females of the species and trans men are not the real male of the species? See, I can agree to that.

Now we have the question, since you agree that trans women are not real women, why do you support medical transition for children if it actually does nothing more than make them 'look' like the opposite sex of the species?

No, I am drawing a line between 2 works of fiction. Do think it is possible for medical professionals to be wrong and to be in agreement when they are wrong? Zophran and Thalidomide would like a word. The play big pharma has and the money these treatments and drugs bring can not be underplayed as well, do you agree?

Have we ever seen doctors get onboard and prescribe harmful medication due to the published works paid for by the pharma company and it creates an epidemic? I bet you have. But you think that is impossible with children being given off label drugs to treat a mental problem as a physical problem? I wish I had your unrelenting faith.

You are mischaracterizing the use of puberty blockers. You continue to do so, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. What is the point of talking about this any further with you?

From Scientific American:

“The truth is that data from more than a dozen studies of more than 30,000 transgender and gender-diverse young people consistently show that access to gender-affirming care is associated with better mental health outcomes—and that lack of access to such care is associated with higher rates of suicidality, depression and self-harming behavior. (Gender diversity refers to the extent to which a person’s gendered behaviors, appearance and identities are culturally incongruent with the sex they were assigned at birth. Gender-diverse people can identify along the transgender spectrum, but not all do.) Major medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Associationand the American Psychiatric Association, have published policy statements and guidelines on how to provide age-appropriate gender-affirming care. All of those medical societies find such care to be evidence-based and medically necessary.”

What the Science on Gender-Affirming Care for Transgender Kids Really Shows

Laws that ban gender-affirming treatment ignore the wealth of research demonstrating its benefits for trans people’s health

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[samiam5211]

you mean 'she'.

Nope. it's a he trolling for the lulz

 

[RobF]

You are mischaracterizing the use of puberty blockers. You continue to do so, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. What is the point of talking about this any further with you?

There isn't any point, unless we enjoy repeating ourselves to someone who simply ignores anything that conflicts with their prejudices.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Woke candy, shades of whatever that teletubbies scandal was about

 

[SaintForLife]

You are mischaracterizing the use of puberty blockers. You continue to do so, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. What is the point of talking about this any further with you?

From Scientific American:

“The truth is that data from more than a dozen studies of more than 30,000 transgender and gender-diverse young people consistently show that access to gender-affirming care is associated with better mental health outcomes—and that lack of access to such care is associated with higher rates of suicidality, depression and self-harming behavior. (Gender diversity refers to the extent to which a person’s gendered behaviors, appearance and identities are culturally incongruent with the sex they were assigned at birth. Gender-diverse people can identify along the transgender spectrum, but not all do.) Major medical organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, the Endocrine Society, the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Associationand the American Psychiatric Association, have published policy statements and guidelines on how to provide age-appropriate gender-affirming care. All of those medical societies find such care to be evidence-based and medically necessary.”

What the Science on Gender-Affirming Care for Transgender Kids Really Shows

Laws that ban gender-affirming treatment ignore the wealth of research demonstrating its benefits for trans people’s health

www.scientificamerican.com

This is a good Twitter thread that references the puberty blockers ans other trans info.

 

[MT15]

This is a good Twitter thread that references the puberty blockers ans other trans info.

Where are his studies? He makes a lot of claims that things are laughable and untrue but he offers no evidence of his own. This isn’t what I would consider a good Twitter thread. He has a POV, and pushes it hard, but offers no proof other than his own statements. If these things are true he could link them or provide at least the names of studies.

And he is willfully misinterpreting what Forcier said, IMO, when he claims her statement is wrong and laughable. She merely stated the fact that these treatments have been around and in use in a formal fashion for 50 years. Which is totally correct. They have been used to delay puberty in kids with certain medical conditions for that long. He says they haven’t been used for trans kids that long, which is true, but that’s not what she said.

So, what made you decide this was a “good thread”?

 

[MT15]

He claims we don’t know if puberty blockers are reversible, when they have been used for decades to temporarily halt puberty in children who prematurely begin puberty. That’s the reason they were developed in the first place.

Mayo Clinic:

“What happens when pubertal blockers are stopped?​

Use of GnRH analogues pauses puberty, providing time to determine if a child's gender identity is long lasting. It also gives children and their families time to think about or plan for the psychological, medical, developmental, social and legal issues ahead.


If an adolescent child decides to stop taking GnRH analogues, puberty will resume and the normal progression of the physical and emotional changes of puberty will continue.”

Puberty blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth

Understand how puberty blockers work to suppress puberty. Learn about their benefits, side effects and long-term effects.

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[MT15]

Maybe Mayo Clinic has been “cowed” like he claims science journalists other than him have been, lol.