All Things LGBTQ+ (4 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[superchuck500]

No, I don't think we can agree to that. Cults like numbers, correct? The more cult members, the better the cult. So the cult got numbers and made sure to have the media available in order to give the impression that the LGTBQ cult is well accepted and anyone who disagrees with their premise that men can be women and women can be men are the renegades. Like I said, cult 101.

 

[MT15]

Wait until you see what Islam does to gays and women! That will blow you mind!!

Or we can just wait until you guys have ginned up enough outrage. You’re well on your way.

 

[brandon]

I was told

You weren’t.

 

[Farb]

Oh, well I stand corrected. The meme sealed the deal. Good job and well played.

 

[Farb]

Or we can just wait until you guys have ginned up enough outrage. You’re well on your way.

I hope so, fingers crossed.

 

[Farb]

911 was a success.

Truer words have never been spoken. I agree 100% with you on this.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

21 years after 911, we have conservatives in this country jealous of Muslims and Sharia law.

911 was a success.

The religious right was a long way down the track before 911.

 

[superchuck500]

Oh, well I stand corrected. The meme sealed the deal. Good job and well played.

There was nothing to correct - your post was barely intelligible and the argument that trying to give the impression of popular support by having more people there is what makes a cult is so weak that it doesn’t warrant a substantive response. Plus I figured you love Obama memes.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

All religions, Islam as well or do you just focus on Christianity?

Both are equally horrible.

 

[Farb]

There was nothing to correct - your post was barely intelligible and the argument that trying to give the impression of popular support by having more people there is what makes a cult is so weak that it doesn’t warrant a substantive response. Plus I figured you love Obama memes.

I love all memes, I just follow the rules and not post them on the MCB, but rules for thee but not for me as per usual.

Yes, my response was barely intelligible. Let me try again. Since we are discussing how the LGTB@ church is now a cult.

Do you consider this to be a reasonable bill?

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the...s-virginia-sexual-orientation-gender-identity
ASHBURN, Va. (WJLA) — Virginia parents could face a felony or misdemeanor charge if they do not affirm their child’s sexual orientation and gender identity, according to a state lawmaker with plans to introduce the legislation in Virginia's upcoming legislative session.

Right now, parents’ rights and LGBTQ protections are a big focus in Virginia.

Thousands of students in Virginia have walked out of class protesting Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s newly proposed model policies on the treatment of transgender students at school.

I posted the last paragraph to show you this news source is slanted left. As we all now know the walk out was a walk out of class, not for trans rights that the adult organized pretended it to be to get the publicity for their cult.

Have you noticed the hate and vitriol coming from the left for those that have transitions and are now publicly showing their regret? Talk about vicious but you wont really see that covered. Besides, a good cult attacks all non-believers. Think scientology and their legal team. Much the same.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I love all memes, I just follow the rules and not post them on the MCB, but rules for thee but not for me as per usual.

Yes, my response was barely intelligible. Let me try again. Since we are discussing how the LGTB@ church is now a cult.

Do you consider this to be a reasonable bill?

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the...s-virginia-sexual-orientation-gender-identity
ASHBURN, Va. (WJLA) — Virginia parents could face a felony or misdemeanor charge if they do not affirm their child’s sexual orientation and gender identity, according to a state lawmaker with plans to introduce the legislation in Virginia's upcoming legislative session.

Right now, parents’ rights and LGBTQ protections are a big focus in Virginia.

Thousands of students in Virginia have walked out of class protesting Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s newly proposed model policies on the treatment of transgender students at school.

I posted the last paragraph to show you this news source is slanted left. As we all now know the walk out was a walk out of class, not for trans rights that the adult organized pretended it to be to get the publicity for their cult.

Have you noticed the hate and vitriol coming from the left for those that have transitions and are now publicly showing their regret? Talk about vicious but you wont really see that covered. Besides, a good cult attacks all non-believers. Think scientology and their legal team. Much the same.

Interesting. Can you share the text of the bill and point to the part that offends you the most so we can all be on the same page?

 

[Farb]

Both are equally horrible.

That at least tracks correctly.

 

[Farb]

Interesting. Can you share the text of the bill and point to the part that offends you the most so we can all be on the same page?

Do I really need to or this is a quiz? Do you support criminal charges against parents who don't believe the 'science' about trans gender children?

Chalk this up to yours and other beliefs on here that raising a child is not really a parents job, it is the states job since 'we all (society) have to live them with them (children) when they grow up'.

 

[superchuck500]

I love all memes, I just follow the rules and not post them on the MCB, but rules for thee but not for me as per usual.

Yes, my response was barely intelligible. Let me try again. Since we are discussing how the LGTB@ church is now a cult.

Do you consider this to be a reasonable bill?

https://wjla.com/news/crisis-in-the...s-virginia-sexual-orientation-gender-identity
ASHBURN, Va. (WJLA) — Virginia parents could face a felony or misdemeanor charge if they do not affirm their child’s sexual orientation and gender identity, according to a state lawmaker with plans to introduce the legislation in Virginia's upcoming legislative session.

Right now, parents’ rights and LGBTQ protections are a big focus in Virginia.

Thousands of students in Virginia have walked out of class protesting Republican Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s newly proposed model policies on the treatment of transgender students at school.

I posted the last paragraph to show you this news source is slanted left. As we all now know the walk out was a walk out of class, not for trans rights that the adult organized pretended it to be to get the publicity for their cult.

Have you noticed the hate and vitriol coming from the left for those that have transitions and are now publicly showing their regret? Talk about vicious but you wont really see that covered. Besides, a good cult attacks all non-believers. Think scientology and their legal team. Much the same.

I don’t think it’s a good bill - terrible bills are sponsored all the time, and people make a big deal out of a “new bill” but until it has an actual chance of passage it’s just meaningless noise. And I don’t think the citation to the walkout makes the bill any more persuasive.

Hate and vitriol for an opposing view is more and more common these days. I don’t think that makes a cult and while the LGBTQ issue has many deeply committed people (on both sides if we’re being honest) I don’t think that makes a cult. There is very little overlap between that movement and the generally accepted characteristics of a cult and only vague to the point of the incidental relationship to the definition of what a cult is. It’s just not a cult and I don’t think it’s a close call.


(Just a note about the meme, I didn’t think it was political, I just like how he gives the “what??” expression in the at meme - more generically. But I get your point and I should have used a different one).

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Do I really need to or this is a quiz?

I just wonder what the actual text says. After all, if the Don't Say Gay bill doesn't specifically single out the LGBTQ+ community and laws aren't racist if they don't have racist language, you would surely have read the bill to see if this is what it actually says instead of just taking a news article at face value, right?

Do you support criminal charges against parents who don't believe the 'science' about trans gender children?

Not at all. I support treating people with dignity and respect towards their own internal identity and acknowledgment of who they are.

Chalk this up to yours and other beliefs on here that raising a child is not really a parents job, it is the states job since 'we all (society) have to live them with them (children) when they grow up'.

I believe everyone has a role to play in setting a good example for those around them, especially children.

 

[Farb]

I don’t think it’s a good bill - terrible bills are sponsored all the time, and people make a big deal out of a “new bill” but until it has an actual chance of passage it’s just meaningless noise. And I don’t think the citation to the walkout makes the bill any more persuasive.

Hate and vitriol for an opposing view is more and more common these days. I don’t think that makes a cult and while the LGBTQ issue has many deeply committed people (on both sides if we’re being honest) I don’t think that makes a cult. There is very little overlap between that movement and the generally accepted characteristics of a cult and only vague to the point of the incidental relationship to the definition of what a cult is. It’s just not a cult and I don’t think it’s a close call.


(Just a note about the meme, I didn’t think it was political, I just like how he gives the “what??” expression in the at meme - more generically. But I get your point and I should have used a different one).

Or not use a meme? I thought that was the expressed rule around here. If not, then I want to be able to play as well.

Yes, we can agree there are nuts on both sides. - Why is is ok for a lefty to say 'both sides' and mean it but when a righty says it, it brings mockery from the left? Honest question that has had me thinking for some time-. I have no hate for the LGTBQ group but I also have a hard time taking on face value why we all of the sudden need drag queens around kids, the sudden and huge surge in transgenderism in schools, and teachers making decisions, sometimes behind parents back about their children?

Do I think there is something evil and crude behind it. I do. You (not you personally but a general 'you') can label me however you want, I don't care because I know right from wrong and I am not afraid to call out wrong when I see it.

I think there is a formation of a cult of the left. Maybe the extreme left just as I think some of the trump people are a cult too. It really presented itself with Covid to me. The blind faith in 'science' over reasonable objections and the amount of vitriol put out by those that just accepted that the vaccine was the end all against those that just were not sure or trusting of a government that has not proved it can be trusted. People lost their jobs and are still losing their jobs over this. But now we are to just accept that fact, because some ideologues in white coasts tell us that a little girl that likes to play with trucks needs to under go experimental physical procedures to treat a mental disorder. If you ask questions or if someone leave the cult and has regrets about their transition, they are attacked by their allies of a few moments ago tells me that it is indeed a cult.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

That at least tracks correctly.

Indeed! I'm perfectly fine with the idea of religion as a "hobby;" that is, if people want to believe in it if it helps their personal growth or comfort them or whatever, that's fine. But I think it has zero place in governance or far-reaching social policy. In politics it's used as a crutch or a ploy to get the moral high ground. The far-right uses it as a sword far more than the far-left uses wacky gender issues. Reality is people can have a code of morals without religion. And it's often more compelling because it's based on rational thought versus dictated by dogma.

To treat Christianity and Islam seriously would require treating Scientology seriously. Only difference is the former two have been around a lot longer and arose during a time where people didn't know that much and information was limited. Also as crazy as L. Ron Hubbard was, his sci-fi books were mildly entertaining.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Do I think there is something evil and crude behind it. I do.

Evil is perfectly fine as an adjective. The concept of 'evil,' however, is a myth. People who are obsessively in favor of gender reassignment (or whatever wacky thing is being discussed here) are not evil. Just extremely misguided... as are those on the far-right who want to cram the Bible down everyone's throat. Although the latter group can call people evil because God said so.