All Things LGBTQ+ (4 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[MT15]

Or not use a meme? I thought that was the expressed rule around here. If not, then I want to be able to play as well.

Yes, we can agree there are nuts on both sides. - Why is is ok for a lefty to say 'both sides' and mean it but when a righty says it, it brings mockery from the left? Honest question that has had me thinking for some time-. I have no hate for the LGTBQ group but I also have a hard time taking on face value why we all of the sudden need drag queens around kids, the sudden and huge surge in transgenderism in schools, and teachers making decisions, sometimes behind parents back about their children?

Do I think there is something evil and crude behind it. I do. You (not you personally but a general 'you') can label me however you want, I don't care because I know right from wrong and I am not afraid to call out wrong when I see it.

I think there is a formation of a cult of the left. Maybe the extreme left just as I think some of the trump people are a cult too. It really presented itself with Covid to me. The blind faith in 'science' over reasonable objections and the amount of vitriol put out by those that just accepted that the vaccine was the end all against those that just were not sure or trusting of a government that has not proved it can be trusted. People lost their jobs and are still losing their jobs over this. But now we are to just accept that fact, because some ideologues in white coasts tell us that a little girl that likes to play with trucks needs to under go experimental physical procedures to treat a mental disorder. If you ask questions or if someone leave the cult and has regrets about their transition, they are attacked by their allies of a few moments ago tells me that it is indeed a cult.

There’s just too much false info here to even know where to start. So I will confine my remarks to what I know about the most.

Almost everyone had a testing option - with the notable exception of the military or maybe some other federal government positions, I can’t remember. In my hospital, the only people who lost their jobs over the vaccine also refused to take weekly tests (out of 2,000 employees it was less than 10 IIRC). Nobody in my extended family was forced to vaccinate. None of my friends or acquaintances were forced to vaccinate. The large state university in my town had a testing option. Nobody was kicked out of school for not vaccinating. Who is still losing their jobs over vaccination today - aside from the military?

(I’m sure you can read about people losing their jobs in your “outrage porn” sites, but reality is what I’m talking about here.) I mean, you can probably also read that schools are providing kitty litter for kids who identify as cats in those same websites, which is a complete lie.

But, facts are facts - and the mRNA vaccines are proven. The death rate among vaccinated people was and still is significantly lower than the unvaccinated. The fact that the virus mutated made the occurrence of breakthrough infections a lot more common starting with Delta, but the death rate and hospitalization rate was and is still significantly lower. Covid is a serious disease, and vaccines have saved thousands upon thousands (maybe millions) of lives. To be sure there was a serious side effect with one (non-mRNA) vaccine - they caught it and put out the medical protocol to treat it pretty damn quickly. There was some chatter about a mild myocarditis in young people, but you know what carries a more significant risk of myocarditis? Actually getting Covid.

Your suspicions about the vaccines are baseless. You seem to think calling for some common sense public health measures was a big conspiracy. You are following the same pathway of all anti-vaxxers. Is that where you want to go? Because that’s where you’re headed.

 

[MT15]

Wow. And the weird response of basically "we don't like them either but death is a bridge too far"
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A man was recorded on video Tuesday night saying LGBTQ people “deserve death” during a school board meeting in Arkansas where several anti-LGBTQ policies were passed.

“God gave them over to a depraved mind so that they do what they should not be doing,” says a man whom a district spokesperson identified as Cal Paulson, who is referred to as a local preacher in an article by the Log Cabin Democrat newspaper of Conway, the city in which the school district is located.

The video was recorded by a person attending the meeting and verified by NBC News.

“They invent ways of doing evil,” he continues, “but let me remind you that those who do such things deserve death.”........

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/m...sedgntp&cvid=cffa4274a7d844f9bf12e015d423c39e

This is a pertinent article - we were having a discussion about the rights’s tactic of ginning up hate and outrage to foment violence. It wasn’t paywalled for me:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/14/cruz-fake-news-article-social-media/

 

[Optimus Prime]

A recent school board meeting at which about 1,000 people gathered in Dearborn, Michigan, to pressure district officials to censor books with LGBTQ+ themes was in most ways similar to hundreds of other recent book ban hearings across the US.

Speakers alleged the books “promote mental health issues” and “self harm”, while the school district and liberals were seeking to “indoctrinate children”.

Gay people, they said, were “creeps and pedohiles”, and gay lifestyles were equated with zoophilia.

“American values and the American way is not child pornography,” one angry parent told the Dearborn public school board.

But the speakers were not the white, rightwing conservative Christians usually behind efforts to censor literature in public schools. Instead, the heated audience was almost all Muslim Arab Americans.

In Dearborn, a city that’s 47% Arab American and reliably Democratic at the polls, some conservative Muslim residents have joined forces with the Christian right to censor literature in the city’s public schools.

Although the right wing in America has frequently vilified Muslims and Islam, the alliance highlights how some deeply socially conservative Arab Americans are willing to put that aside and join in the culture wars.

Several parents who spoke with the Guardian insisted the effort had nothing to do with politics and did not answer questions about why they would campaign alongside Donald Trump supporters.

“This has nothing to do with Trump,” Hassan Anoun, a Dearborn schools parent, said, adding that he is a Republican. “We don’t want our kids to be exposed to this. These books should be banned.”………

Conservative Muslims join forces with Christian right on Michigan book bans

‘This has nothing to do with Trump,’ a parent says, as people pressure officials to censor books with LGBTQ+ themes

www.theguardian.com

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

religious rights reaction to 911

A recent school board meeting at which about 1,000 people gathered in Dearborn, Michigan, to pressure district officials to censor books with LGBTQ+ themes was in most ways similar to hundreds of other recent book ban hearings across the US.

Speakers alleged the books “promote mental health issues” and “self harm”, while the school district and liberals were seeking to “indoctrinate children”.

Gay people, they said, were “creeps and pedohiles”, and gay lifestyles were equated with zoophilia.

“American values and the American way is not child pornography,” one angry parent told the Dearborn public school board.

But the speakers were not the white, rightwing conservative Christians usually behind efforts to censor literature in public schools. Instead, the heated audience was almost all Muslim Arab Americans.

In Dearborn, a city that’s 47% Arab American and reliably Democratic at the polls, some conservative Muslim residents have joined forces with the Christian right to censor literature in the city’s public schools.

Although the right wing in America has frequently vilified Muslims and Islam, the alliance highlights how some deeply socially conservative Arab Americans are willing to put that aside and join in the culture wars.

Several parents who spoke with the Guardian insisted the effort had nothing to do with politics and did not answer questions about why they would campaign alongside Donald Trump supporters.

“This has nothing to do with Trump,” Hassan Anoun, a Dearborn schools parent, said, adding that he is a Republican. “We don’t want our kids to be exposed to this. These books should be banned.”………

Conservative Muslims join forces with Christian right on Michigan book bans

‘This has nothing to do with Trump,’ a parent says, as people pressure officials to censor books with LGBTQ+ themes

www.theguardian.com

Makes sense that this would happen actually.

 

[Optimus Prime]

religious rights reaction to 911


Makes sense that this would happen actually.

Certainly are strange bedfellows

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Certainly are strange bedfellows

When you think about it the religious right, and conservative Muslims, have a lot in common. From religious nationalism to a belief in minimalizing social expressions. If they both think it's raining in their neighborhood is it any surprise they wind up under the same umbrella?

 

[SystemShock]

Certainly are strange bedfellows

Are they, really? Both groups are religious zealots that follow an Abrahamic religion.

 

[MT15]

I agree. Lots of similarities to me. The Christian religious right wants to control people’s lives in the same manner as over-zealous Muslims. Especially women, and LBGTQ people.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I agree. Lots of similarities to me. The Christian religious right wants to control people’s lives in the same manner as over-zealous Muslims. Especially women, and LBGTQ people.

I agree

I meant that it was a hate version of the enemy of my enemy is my friend

“We hate you, and you hate us but we both hate XYZ”

And you wouldn’t think that the religious far right and radical Muslims would be buddy buddy together even if the overall view is similar

 

[Optimus Prime]

NSFW

 

[coldseat]

NSFW

That segment covered everything. From the right wing pushing this issue to the forefront to scare and enrage their voters to the polls, to the disingenuous lies of the attackers, to democrats/liberals running from this issues like it was radio active because it makes them feel "uneasy", to the very real harm that it does to adults and kids who already have enough to deal with. Well done all around.

 

[Farb]

Indeed! I'm perfectly fine with the idea of religion as a "hobby;" that is, if people want to believe in it if it helps their personal growth or comfort them or whatever, that's fine. But I think it has zero place in governance or far-reaching social policy. In politics it's used as a crutch or a ploy to get the moral high ground. The far-right uses it as a sword far more than the far-left uses wacky gender issues. Reality is people can have a code of morals without religion. And it's often more compelling because it's based on rational thought versus dictated by dogma.

To treat Christianity and Islam seriously would require treating Scientology seriously. Only difference is the former two have been around a lot longer and arose during a time where people didn't know that much and information was limited. Also as crazy as L. Ron Hubbard was, his sci-fi books were mildly entertaining.

Nice post and I agree for the most part.
I would argue (and have argued here in the past) that this country is based on a fundamental Christian foundation.
I would also argue that a religious based moral code is essential to a productive and safe society.
I also don't believe that the far right uses religion more than the far left uses (their religion my any metrics) of race and gender theory. The growing pushback across the board, religious or non religious over the transing of kids, drag queens around kids as early and often as possible and sex education (not a school subject IMO).

 

[Farb]

Evil is perfectly fine as an adjective. The concept of 'evil,' however, is a myth. People who are obsessively in favor of gender reassignment (or whatever wacky thing is being discussed here) are not evil. Just extremely misguided... as are those on the far-right who want to cram the Bible down everyone's throat. Although the latter group can call people evil because God said so.

What about those that are championing child gender reassignment for money and provide the misguided with talking points and lies to defend the practice (them making money)? I consider those evil in concept and practice.
Most Catholics/Christians I know don't cram anything down anyone throats. The vast majority you would even know they are. I think the lefts boogeyman of pillaging and rioting Christians are a myth. IMO.

 

[Farb]

There’s just too much false info here to even know where to start. So I will confine my remarks to what I know about the most.

Almost everyone had a testing option - with the notable exception of the military or maybe some other federal government positions, I can’t remember. In my hospital, the only people who lost their jobs over the vaccine also refused to take weekly tests (out of 2,000 employees it was less than 10 IIRC). Nobody in my extended family was forced to vaccinate. None of my friends or acquaintances were forced to vaccinate. The large state university in my town had a testing option. Nobody was kicked out of school for not vaccinating. Who is still losing their jobs over vaccination today - aside from the military?

(I’m sure you can read about people losing their jobs in your “outrage porn” sites, but reality is what I’m talking about here.) I mean, you can probably also read that schools are providing kitty litter for kids who identify as cats in those same websites, which is a complete lie.

But, facts are facts - and the mRNA vaccines are proven. The death rate among vaccinated people was and still is significantly lower than the unvaccinated. The fact that the virus mutated made the occurrence of breakthrough infections a lot more common starting with Delta, but the death rate and hospitalization rate was and is still significantly lower. Covid is a serious disease, and vaccines have saved thousands upon thousands (maybe millions) of lives. To be sure there was a serious side effect with one (non-mRNA) vaccine - they caught it and put out the medical protocol to treat it pretty damn quickly. There was some chatter about a mild myocarditis in young people, but you know what carries a more significant risk of myocarditis? Actually getting Covid.

Your suspicions about the vaccines are baseless. You seem to think calling for some common sense public health measures was a big conspiracy. You are following the same pathway of all anti-vaxxers. Is that where you want to go? Because that’s where you’re headed.

Yes, I am an anti-vaxxer when it comes to covid so thanks, glad you agree I am heading in the right direction.

You think that getting covid is more deadly than getting myocarditis? Can you provide data to back that up? Maybe data that was not collected by the tobacco companies, I mean Big pharma?

Yes, as you have proven time and time again when your news changes their stance from 'not happening' to 'happening but a good thing' to 'necessary to happen or people will die!!' in the course of a week or 2.

 

[samiam5211]

I think people arguing that the medical industrial complex is using transgender and the pandemic for profits, should look into universal health care provided by the government.

I think they must have a problem with capitalism.

 

[Farb]

https://nypost.com/2022/10/18/video-of-drag-queen-gyrating-next-to-child-sparks-backlash/

NSFW if unmuted.

 

[Farb]

I think people arguing that the medical industrial complex is using transgender and the pandemic for profits, should look into universal health care provided by the government.

I think they must have a problem with capitalism.

I think they must have a problem with experimenting on children that are deliberately being confused adults that should know better.

No one has yet to give a rational and normal explanation on why men have to dress up as a caricature of a woman (woman face) and preform for children.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

https://nypost.com/2022/10/18/video-of-drag-queen-gyrating-next-to-child-sparks-backlash/

NSFW if unmuted.

This show wasn't an all-ages show, despite the initial tweet and the Post's story.

From the event's Facebook post:

"This event contains strong language and suggestive dialogue and may not be appropriate for all ages. Viewer discretion is advised.

DISCLAIMER: This is a ticketed event at a private establishment. We believe it is the prerogative of parents/guardians to make decisions regarding the wellbeing of their children. If you would not allow your children to see a Rated R movie or watch TV-MA programming, this is not the event for them. Minors must be accompanied by a parent/guardian."

If you want to argue that parents make dumb decisions, I agree. Blaming the drag show is stupid, though. It's like reading about a first-grade class being shown Oldboy, then getting pissed at the movie.