All Things LGBTQ+ (6 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[bdb13]

This is clearly meant to be humorous, especially for us gays. There is a very rich tradition in gay culture of not only being subversive but of also of poking the right by "proving" all of their fears of gays (of things that we don't consider particularly dangerous) and laughing at the overreaction. I mean, Little Nax X is basically making a career of it right now. This falls well within that tradition.

First, there's the creepy "we're coming for your children" which is obviously a long time fear of conservatives. There's the Broadway musical like feel with the expressive facial features. There's the benign underlying meaning of it all given that these people don't give a damn about anybodies children and wouldn't actually do anything to "come for your children". Not to mention that the whole song is just about children today being more tolerant. They're really just describing what's going on naturally in today's culture. The whole song is just meant to invoke irrational fear of the "gay agenda on steroids" by the right.

That it's so effective at doing so just makes it funnier. I've watched this 3 times now and can't stop laughing.

OK the "we're coming for your children" does give it away lol.

 

[Farb]

I guess my question is why? Why is 'coming after your kids' so funny to the gays? Why do the gays use kids as a comedy prop to prove some point about who you have sex with?
This is supposed to help the cause of acceptance? Kind of stupid if you ask me. Actually very stupid and very counter productive.

 

[Paul]

I guess my question is why? Why is 'coming after your kids' so funny to the gays? Why do the gays use kids as a comedy prop to prove some point about who you have sex with?
This is supposed to help the cause of acceptance? Kind of stupid if you ask me. Actually very stupid and very counter productive.

It is a private joke among themselves, so I don't think is a big deal.

Lastly, many gay couples are not as woke and PC as the average SJW. Many have a sense of humor.

 

[coldseat]

I guess my question is why? Why is 'coming after your kids' so funny to the gays? Why do the gays use kids as a comedy prop to prove some point about who you have sex with?
This is supposed to help the cause of acceptance? Kind of stupid if you ask me. Actually very stupid and very counter productive.

Because it's funny. It's not about kids at all and it's not about helping the cause of acceptance. It's really just about irrational conservative long standing fears and not giving a crap about it. Think of it as musical trolling. I guess this part is really hard for you to understand, but conservatives and religious types in government, society and family life have made life a living hell for gays for so long. One of the way the gay community has come to cope with that trauma is to not give a crap about the Right's "fear" of us and to ridicule and laugh at them for their overreactions. That's really all this is.

I get that makes just you uncomfortable or pissed off, but that's sort of the point.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I guess my question is why? Why is 'coming after your kids' so funny to the gays? Why do the gays use kids as a comedy prop to prove some point about who you have sex with?
This is supposed to help the cause of acceptance? Kind of stupid if you ask me. Actually very stupid and very counter productive.

Removing a statue of Hitler is virtue signaling but a "coming after your kids" joke is serious business?

 

[Farb]

Removing a statue of Hitler is virtue signaling but a "coming after your kids" joke is serious business?

When was a statue of Hitler erected in order to take down in order to lead to virtue signaling? I am lost on this 'gotcha', but that is not surprising.

Yeah, I am old fashioned, I don't enjoy jokes about 'coming after children'. If the gays want 'allies' (whatever that actually means) then maybe not 'joke' about the one thing that will make a person either pick one side or the other? I hope the 'troll' was worth it and I hope the backlash to the LGBTQ movement isn't compromised but it will be self inflicted wound.

 

[bdb13]

When was a statue of Hitler erected in order to take down in order to lead to virtue signaling? I am lost on this 'gotcha', but that is not surprising.

It seemed like earlier you were saying, whether it's a hypothetical or not, that wanting the removal of a Hitler statue would be virtue signaling.

 

[MT15]

They say “we’re coming after your children” for the same reason we joke amongst ourselves about our “Soros money”.

 

[SystemShock]

I guess my question is why? Why is 'coming after your kids' so funny to the gays? Why do the gays use kids as a comedy prop to prove some point about who you have sex with?
This is supposed to help the cause of acceptance? Kind of stupid if you ask me. Actually very stupid and very counter productive.

It's not just funny to gay people. I personally find mockery of the religious right funny too.

 

[Farb]

"I wonder why people wont celebrate our choice of who we have sex with?!? They must be bigots!"

(Never mind the fact that we joke about their children)......like I said, dumb and it has the exact opposite effect that is wanted but again, zero self accountability and it is always someone else fault for the way people treat you. Sometimes, people are treated exactly how they deserve to be treated.

 

[coldseat]

"I wonder why people wont celebrate our choice of who we have sex with?!? They must be bigots!"

(Never mind the fact that we joke about their children)......like I said, dumb and it has the exact opposite effect that is wanted but again, zero self accountability and it is always someone else fault for the way people treat you. Sometimes, people are treated exactly how they deserve to be treated.

Lol. What gays are asking that straw man question? I think most of us "gays" have made it pretty clear that we don't care what you or other religious conservatives think or feel about who we have sex with or if you celebrate it. We're going to celebrate who we are regardless, that's the whole point of PRIDE.

And don't lie to yourself or anybody else, you were always going to treat us "that way" regardless. We deserve it because of our sinful ways.

 

[Paul]

Lol. What gays are asking that straw man question? I think most of us "gays" have made it pretty clear that we don't care what you or other religious conservatives think or feel about who we have sex with or if you celebrate it. We're going to celebrate who we are regardless, that's the whole point of PRIDE.

And don't lie to yourself or anybody else, you were always going to treat us "that way" regardless. We deserve it because of our sinful ways.

Many fail to realize that the first institution in the West to protect gay men was the Catholic Church. Things are not what they appear to be. Most Catholics are not fundamentalists.

 

[Farb]

Many fail to realize that the first institution in the West to protect gay men was the Catholic Church. Things are not what they appear to be. Most Catholics are not fundamentalists.

Western Civ is arguably the most progressive civilization to exist on earth.

 

[Paul]

Western Civ is arguably the most progressive civilization to exist on earth.

The West is trying very hard to make the standard of living better for all. That is why poor people in the world want to come to the West. But, seriously, the Catholic Church started protecting gay men as far back as medieval times.

 

[coldseat]

The West is trying very hard to make the standard of living better for all. That is why poor people in the world want to come to the West. But, seriously, the Catholic Church started protecting gay men as far back as medieval times.

The Catholic Church protected pedofiles among their priest so that they wouldn't lose their posistion of moral superiority. They ostracized gay man and made us the face of moral destitution.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

The West is trying very hard to make the standard of living better for all. That is why poor people in the world want to come to the West. But, seriously, the Catholic Church started protecting gay men as far back as medieval times.

I'm gonna need you to cite your sources on this one.

 

[Paul]

The Catholic Church protected pedofiles among their priest so that they wouldn't lose their posistion of moral superiority. The ostracized gay man and made us the face of moral destitution.

That is true. But, the church was also a sanctuary for gay men in an era when being gay was not accepted. In the old days all men were expected to marry and father children. The only way to escape was to become a priest. The Church always had gay priests and it simply looked the other way with regards to the Leviticus.

 

[Paul]

I'm gonna need you to cite your sources on this one.

I thought this was common knowledge in the gay community. What do you think gay men did in medieval times or even the 19th century and the early 20th century. Gay men were not accepted by society. Parents expected their sons to marry and have children. Gay men would joint the priesthood as this provided a perfect excuse for being single. Everyone knows gay priests were quite common in the old days.

How the Catholic Priesthood Became an Unlikely Haven for Many Gay Men

Adapted from The Sex Effect: Baring Our Complicated Relationship With Sex, out now from Sourcebooks.

slate.com

So how many gay priests actually exist? While there’s a glut of homoerotic writings from priests going back to the Middle Ages, obtaining an accurate count is tough. But most surveys (which, due to the sensitivity of the subject, admiittedly suffer from limited samples and other design issues) find between 15 percent and 50 percent of U.S. priests are gay.

I laugh when I hear people condemn the Church for being homophobic. The Church has saved gay men centuries.