All Things LGBTQ+ (3 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I'm old enough to remember when 'grooming' wasn't a buzzword overused by the right.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Sorry, you would not consider that classroom instruction on gender theory?

You were discussing sexual preference, not gender theory. Gender and sexual preference are two separate things.

 

[Optimus Prime]

and it begins

"Oh, it's only for K-3"
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The leading candidate in Michigan's Republican primary, James Craig, seems to have reversed his allyship to the LGBTQ community, saying he'd want a "more aggressive" version of Florida's controversial "Don't Say Gay" bill.

Last Thursday, Craig, a former Detroit police chief, told WJBK that if he were to be elected governor, he would go even further than lawmakers in Florida, banning classroom discussion of gender identity and sexual orientation beyond kindergarten through third grade all the way up to middle school............

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[RobF]

Trans people, and gay people, exist. It's fine for elementary school kids to know that. Because they do.

They do and there are no laws that exist that stops discussing that. Who said you can't or they don't?

Turns out, you do. Since you've now made it entirely clear that you do consider someone simply and literally describing their existence as a transgender man as being 'classroom instruction on gender theory.'

What a shocking twist that I'm pretty sure everyone here saw coming.

 

[Farb]

If you believe doctors/science are infallible, then why wouldn't you get a vaccine?

He also said that doctors almost always gets it right. But I guess you didn't get that part. Why wouldn't the kids that just heard their teacher assume the doctor got it right in their case? And if they kid ask, the parent can just tell them the doctor got it right in their case and the kid can go back to playing video games and forget about it.

A person sharing something about their life in an age appropriate manner it not indoctrination.

Yes, because 5 year olds needs to be told this because.......?

Leftism is the worship of one self. Leftist cannot resist the urge to demonstrate either what a victim they are or how unique and special they are. That is why she had to have her talk all about what make her 'unique and special'.

I think science is run by scientist that human and as such, they are more than likely bought off and corrupt. I did not get the vaccine because I already had it, so there is no need.

 

[Farb]

And DeSantis isn't virtue signaling in the other direction? I mean... it's working on you, right?

Passing a law that is needed at the present time would not be my definition of virtue signaling.

Now, passing a law that would have done something a generation ago is virtue signaling.

 

[Farb]

Leave Santa and the Easter bunny out of it, next thing you’ll be calling them groomers too, along with over half the people in this country that you already think are groomers.

Not Santa and the Easter bunny, but that tooth fairy is one to keep an eye on. LOL

 

[Farb]

and it begins

"Oh, it's only for K-3"
====================

The leading candidate in Michigan's Republican primary, James Craig, seems to have reversed his allyship to the LGBTQ community, saying he'd want a "more aggressive" version of Florida's controversial "Don't Say Gay" bill.

Last Thursday, Craig, a former Detroit police chief, told WJBK that if he were to be elected governor, he would go even further than lawmakers in Florida, banning classroom discussion of gender identity and sexual orientation beyond kindergarten through third grade all the way up to middle school............

MSN

www.msn.com

Funny how a democracy works right? I guess the voters in Michigan will determine how they want their children educated. Wild stuff.

 

[Farb]

Turns out, you do. Since you've now made it entirely clear that you do consider someone simply and literally describing their existence as a transgender man as being 'classroom instruction on gender theory.'

What a shocking twist that I'm pretty sure everyone here saw coming.

Did you listen to his classroom instruction? It was 100% gender theory. It is not a surprise you would think that. Not at all actually. Shoe fits and all that.

What other 'gotchas' do you have for me?

 

[Farb]

I'm old enough to remember when 'grooming' wasn't a buzzword overused by the right.

Me too. Much more innocent times. I remember when the left could define basic words like women and girl and 'racist' was not just a commonly used adjective for political ideology.

I will hold your hand through this brave new world if you would like.

 

[Farb]

You were discussing sexual preference, not gender theory. Gender and sexual preference are two separate things.

Oh. My bad. I was discussing gender theory, that is why I put those words in my post.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Passing a law that is needed at the present time would not be my definition of virtue signaling.

Please list specific instances of why this law was needed

and homophobia and transphobia aren't reasons

 

[RobF]

Did you listen to his classroom instruction? It was 100% gender theory. It is not a surprise you would think that. Not at all actually. Shoe fits and all that.

Yes, of course I did, and no it isn't. It's literally a description of the fact they're transgender, what it means, and what their experience of that was.

Here's a full transcription of exactly what they said in the video you shared:

So, something that's real cool and unique about who I am is that I am transgender. So, we touched a little bit about that at the beginning of this week, in the book that Miss Hammond read, but I'm gonna give you my explanation about what it means to be transgender as well. So, when babies are born, the doctor looks at them and they make a guess about whether the baby is a boy or girl based on what they look like. And most of the time that guess is 100-percent correct; there are no issues whatsoever, but sometimes, the doctor is wrong; the doctor makes an incorrect guess. When a doctor makes a correct guess, that’s when a person is called cisgender. When a doctor’s guess is wrong that’s when they are transgender.​

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So, I’m a man, but when I was a baby the doctors told my parents I was a girl. So my parents gave me a name that girls typically have, and bought me clothes that girls typically wear. And until I was 18 years old, everyone thought I was a girl.​

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And this was super, super uncomfortable for me because I knew that wasn't right. The way I like to describe it is like wearing a super itchy sweater, the longer you wear it the itchier it gets and the only way to make the itching stop is to have everyone see and know the person that you really are.​

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So when I was 18 I told my family and my friends that I'm really a boy and it was like this huge weight had been lifted off of my shoulders. And I had the freedom to be who I truly am. And even though this experience is super challenging sometimes, I am super—it made me the person I am, and I am super proud to be trans gender.​

I'd be fine if my five year old son had a transgender teacher who explained who they were to them in those terms. Knowing that transgender people exist isn't going to turn him transgender any more than knowing gay people exist will make him gay. That's not how that works. Which should be pretty glaringly obvious; a long history of repressing LGBT people did not, unsurprisingly, result in LGBT people ceasing to exist, it just resulted in the oppression of LGBT people and continuing prejudice and bigotry towards them. People aren't LGBT because they hear about it. They're LGBT because that's who they are. And knowing they exist will help my son if he did turn out to be transgender or gay, and it'd help those around him too, and vice versa.

What other 'gotchas' do you have for me?

And, well, that's the thing. No other gotchas are needed at this point. You've been got. You claim that these laws aren't about preventing people simply discussing their existence and who they are, but as soon as there's an example of someone doing just that, you scream, "GENDER THEORY!" The mask is off, the hypocrisy and bigotry is on full display.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Leftism is the worship of one self.

 

[samiam5211]

Leftism is the worship of one self.

How does this explain all the straight white males who support trans rights and acknowledge white privilege?

I guess we are self hating self worshippers.

 

[coldseat]

Yes, because 5 year olds needs to be told this because.......?

Leftism is the worship of one self. Leftist cannot resist the urge to demonstrate either what a victim they are or how unique and special they are. That is why she had to have her talk all about what make her 'unique and special'.

I think science is run by scientist that human and as such, they are more than likely bought off and corrupt. I did not get the vaccine because I already had it, so there is no need.

That reflection is pretty glaring. Does it make you feel better, unique and special to constantly virtue signal by calling him a she? I bet it makes you feel all kinds of high and mighty.

 

[Complex Kid]

"Oh, it's only for K-3"

Except it's not really:

 

[Farb]

Please list specific instances of why this law was needed

and homophobia and transphobia aren't reasons

1. Gender Theory created Money is being actively taught to kids who are old enough to believe in Santa in public schools often purposely behind the backs of parents.