All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Farb]

Yes, of course I did, and no it isn't. It's literally a description of the fact they're transgender, what it means, and what their experience of that was.

Here's a full transcription of exactly what they said in the video you shared:

So, something that's real cool and unique about who I am is that I am transgender. So, we touched a little bit about that at the beginning of this week, in the book that Miss Hammond read, but I'm gonna give you my explanation about what it means to be transgender as well. So, when babies are born, the doctor looks at them and they make a guess about whether the baby is a boy or girl based on what they look like. And most of the time that guess is 100-percent correct; there are no issues whatsoever, but sometimes, the doctor is wrong; the doctor makes an incorrect guess. When a doctor makes a correct guess, that’s when a person is called cisgender. When a doctor’s guess is wrong that’s when they are transgender.​

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So, I’m a man, but when I was a baby the doctors told my parents I was a girl. So my parents gave me a name that girls typically have, and bought me clothes that girls typically wear. And until I was 18 years old, everyone thought I was a girl.​

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And this was super, super uncomfortable for me because I knew that wasn't right. The way I like to describe it is like wearing a super itchy sweater, the longer you wear it the itchier it gets and the only way to make the itching stop is to have everyone see and know the person that you really are.​

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So when I was 18 I told my family and my friends that I'm really a boy and it was like this huge weight had been lifted off of my shoulders. And I had the freedom to be who I truly am. And even though this experience is super challenging sometimes, I am super—it made me the person I am, and I am super proud to be trans gender.​

I'd be fine if my five year old son had a transgender teacher who explained who they were to them in those terms. Knowing that transgender people exist isn't going to turn him transgender any more than knowing gay people exist will make him gay. That's not how that works. Which should be pretty glaringly obvious; a long history of repressing LGBT people did not, unsurprisingly, result in LGBT people ceasing to exist, it just resulted in the oppression of LGBT people and continuing prejudice and bigotry towards them. People aren't LGBT because they hear about it. They're LGBT because that's who they are. And knowing they exist will help my son if he did turn out to be transgender or gay, and it'd help those around him too, and vice versa.


And, well, that's the thing. No other gotchas are needed at this point. You've been got. You claim that these laws aren't about preventing people simply discussing their existence and who they are, but as soon as there's an example of someone doing just that, you scream, "GENDER THEORY!" The mask is off, the hypocrisy and bigotry is on full display.

"something that's real cool and unique about who I am is that I am transgender. So, we touched a little bit about that at the beginning of this week, in the book that Miss Hammond read, but I'm gonna give you my explanation about what it means to be transgender as well."

So, she goes on to discuss her, because as per her religion, everything is about the self and she is the most unique and cool person ever, so she has to tell 5 year olds about it.
Notice how they read a book earlier in the week that 'touched' on trans? I thought this was not being taught and the law was just virtue signaling? Sounds to me like this is classroom instruction.

I have no doubt you would have no problem with your kids hearing this. Many do, so they are mobilizing and 'doing the work'. Remember, we live in a democracy.

 

[Farb]

Wow. Wild stuff. Thank God he is not president any longer. Now we have a dementia patient.

 

[Farb]

That reflection is pretty glaring. Does it make you feel better, unique and special to constantly virtue signal by calling him a she? I bet it makes you feel all kinds of high and mighty.

Aw man, I do way more virtue signaling than that and much much better. Give me some credit. Calling a person by the correct pronouns is an amateur move.

 

[Farb]

Except it's not really:

Right, because a late night talk show host is where we get our narratives from now. He is also British, so there is that.

 

[MT15]

"something that's real cool and unique about who I am is that I am transgender. So, we touched a little bit about that at the beginning of this week, in the book that Miss Hammond read, but I'm gonna give you my explanation about what it means to be transgender as well."

So, she goes on to discuss her, because as per her religion, everything is about the self and she is the most unique and cool person ever, so she has to tell 5 year olds about it.
Notice how they read a book earlier in the week that 'touched' on trans? I thought this was not being taught and the law was just virtue signaling? Sounds to me like this is classroom instruction.

I have no doubt you would have no problem with your kids hearing this. Many do, so they are mobilizing and 'doing the work'. Remember, we live in a democracy.

So you don’t like it when someone wants you to hear their religious beliefs? Huh. I thought you were a-ok with actually imposing your religious beliefs on everyone?

BTW- it doesn’t matter how many times you say it, what is being discussed in your example isn’t a religion.

 

[RobF]

Right, because a late night talk show host is where we get our narratives from now. He is also British, so there is that.

He's an American citizen.

 

[RobF]

"something that's real cool and unique about who I am is that I am transgender. So, we touched a little bit about that at the beginning of this week, in the book that Miss Hammond read, but I'm gonna give you my explanation about what it means to be transgender as well."

So, she goes on to discuss her, because as per her religion, everything is about the self and she is the most unique and cool person ever, so she has to tell 5 year olds about it.
Notice how they read a book earlier in the week that 'touched' on trans? I thought this was not being taught and the law was just virtue signaling? Sounds to me like this is classroom instruction.

Again, those are examples of them simply talking about the existence of trans people. The thing you claimed no-one is trying to prevent. Which you're now desperately trying to spin as a thing that should be prevented.

To put it bluntly, we can stick a fork in you, you're done.

I have no doubt you would have no problem with your kids hearing this. Many do, so they are mobilizing and 'doing the work'. Remember, we live in a democracy.

"There's other bigots out there too," is not the compelling argument you seem to think it is.

 

[Complex Kid]

Right, because a late night talk show host is where we get our narratives from now. He is also British, so there is that.

I knew this was going to be your response but I trust his research department more than any "sources" you link too.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Oh. My bad. I was discussing gender theory, that is why I put those words in my post.

Let's be honest, Farb. You were discussing sexual preference. When you realized what you were saying was nonsensical, you changed the topic.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Wow. Wild stuff. Thank God he is not president any longer. Now we have a dementia patient.

Talk about self-worship. You can't follow along at all can you?

BTW, did you say you're a teacher? What do you teach?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Interesting article
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“Male or female?

”
I’ve been “randomly” selected by TSA for additional screening — again. Each time, the agent asks me whether I want a man or woman to conduct the pat-down. But what they’re really asking is: What are you?

In 2018, I officially changed the gender marker on my passport from M to F. By that point, I had socially transitioned, undergone top surgery and been on hormone replacement therapy for years.

But updating the marker didn’t make travel easier. Traveling while transgender only became more difficult.


I’m well over 6 feet tall. Unless I decide to dress extremely femme and put on a full face of makeup — to then sit for hours on a cramped, sweaty airplane — the F on my passport actually invites extra scrutiny. Because I don’t always “pass,” it frequently outs me as trans.


The U.S. State Department, in acknowledgement of the roadblocks such as these that trans, gender non-conforming, non-binary and intersex people routinely experience while traveling, recently announced that applicants for passports will soon have the option to choose X as their gender marker as an alternative to M or F.
It’s a nice symbol of support, and putting an X on a passport might really mean something to a select few.

But given the trouble that often accompanies being out as non-binary, the move won’t “advance inclusion” as much as the department’s announcement claims.

If the State Department really wanted to take a step forward, there’s an easier, cheaper and more powerful option: remove gender from passports altogether.

Now, the X marker could be affirming for non-binary people who do not experience or anticipate persecution related to their gender identity.

It could also work for people traveling exclusively through airports that have done an excellent job training their staff about gender and the meaning of the X marker, and that have policies in place to make travel smooth for gender-diverse travelers.


These hypothetical people and places, however, will be rare. More likely, the X will cause more of the hassle trans people have become accustomed to. Every once in a while, I do “pass” with the F on my passport. If I had an X, though, extra scrutiny would be practically guaranteed.

I asked a handful of non-binary friends about the upcoming change, and every one of them indicated that willingly outing themselves on their passport would mean inviting danger into their travel experience.


This is especially relevant given the waves of anti-trans legislation being passed in the United States, and even more so when international travel is considered. Trans rights are imperiled domestically, but they are in even worse shape throughout much of the world.

Having an M or F — especially if one doesn’t always “pass” — can cause trouble for a transgender traveler; carrying a passport with an X on it is likely to cause more.


So why mark gender at all? Pointless gendering is a well-documented phenomenon when it comes to consumer products, but less questioned is the requirement to assert one’s gender on endless forms.

Is there a legitimate reason anyone other than my doctor needs to know my gender? Does my dentist need to know? My credit-card issuer? The library? The veterinary clinic? The airline or TSA agent?…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/10/transgender-passport-x-gender-option-risks/

 

[SystemShock]

Interesting article
=============

“Male or female?

”
I’ve been “randomly” selected by TSA for additional screening — again. Each time, the agent asks me whether I want a man or woman to conduct the pat-down. But what they’re really asking is: What are you?

In 2018, I officially changed the gender marker on my passport from M to F. By that point, I had socially transitioned, undergone top surgery and been on hormone replacement therapy for years.

But updating the marker didn’t make travel easier. Traveling while transgender only became more difficult.


I’m well over 6 feet tall. Unless I decide to dress extremely femme and put on a full face of makeup — to then sit for hours on a cramped, sweaty airplane — the F on my passport actually invites extra scrutiny. Because I don’t always “pass,” it frequently outs me as trans.


The U.S. State Department, in acknowledgement of the roadblocks such as these that trans, gender non-conforming, non-binary and intersex people routinely experience while traveling, recently announced that applicants for passports will soon have the option to choose X as their gender marker as an alternative to M or F.
It’s a nice symbol of support, and putting an X on a passport might really mean something to a select few.

But given the trouble that often accompanies being out as non-binary, the move won’t “advance inclusion” as much as the department’s announcement claims.

If the State Department really wanted to take a step forward, there’s an easier, cheaper and more powerful option: remove gender from passports altogether.

Now, the X marker could be affirming for non-binary people who do not experience or anticipate persecution related to their gender identity.

It could also work for people traveling exclusively through airports that have done an excellent job training their staff about gender and the meaning of the X marker, and that have policies in place to make travel smooth for gender-diverse travelers.


These hypothetical people and places, however, will be rare. More likely, the X will cause more of the hassle trans people have become accustomed to. Every once in a while, I do “pass” with the F on my passport. If I had an X, though, extra scrutiny would be practically guaranteed.

I asked a handful of non-binary friends about the upcoming change, and every one of them indicated that willingly outing themselves on their passport would mean inviting danger into their travel experience.


This is especially relevant given the waves of anti-trans legislation being passed in the United States, and even more so when international travel is considered. Trans rights are imperiled domestically, but they are in even worse shape throughout much of the world.

Having an M or F — especially if one doesn’t always “pass” — can cause trouble for a transgender traveler; carrying a passport with an X on it is likely to cause more.


So why mark gender at all? Pointless gendering is a well-documented phenomenon when it comes to consumer products, but less questioned is the requirement to assert one’s gender on endless forms.

Is there a legitimate reason anyone other than my doctor needs to know my gender? Does my dentist need to know? My credit-card issuer? The library? The veterinary clinic? The airline or TSA agent?…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/10/transgender-passport-x-gender-option-risks/

But in fairness, who's the TSA agent to dare assign a gender or gender preferences to this person?

And before you reply, count slowly to 30 and think about it.

 

[Farb]

He's an American citizen.

We can't win them all.

 

[Farb]

Again, those are examples of them simply talking about the existence of trans people. The thing you claimed no-one is trying to prevent. Which you're now desperately trying to spin as a thing that should be prevented.

To put it bluntly, we can stick a fork in you, you're done.


"There's other bigots out there too," is not the compelling argument you seem to think it is.

Ok. It was fun tho.

To be fair, that is literally the lefts position. The left is by far more bigoted than the right, that is why you guys are so quick to label us non-believers as all the 'isms' and 'ists' as possible.

 

[Farb]

I knew this was going to be your response but I trust his research department more than any "sources" you link too.

I expect you do. No surprise there since they agree with you.

 

[Farb]

Talk about self-worship. You can't follow along at all can you?

BTW, did you say you're a teacher? What do you teach?

I cannot follow along very well. I get side tracked by the all the strawmen but I that is because of my intellect. I need to do the work and be better.

Never said I was a teacher.

 

[Sandman]

I cannot follow along very well. I get side tracked by the all the strawmen but I that is because of my intellect. I need to do the work and be better.

Never said I was a teacher.

 

[Farb]

Life will find a way. Either this is the first case of human asexual reproduction or despite how a person wants to alter reality, a man and woman make babies. There is no other natural way.