All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Article on the hypocrisy on 'Groomers'
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Psst. Have you heard? Mickey Mouse is a groomer.

So wrote American Conservative senior editor Rod Dreher, one of many on the far right who lately have wielded accusations of pedophilia and child sex abuse to slime opponents (real or cartoon) of Florida’s Parental Rights in Education law, more broadly known as the “don’t say gay” bill.

This was part of an extended salvo: “About the term ‘groomers,’” Dreher later clarified, “it’s usually used to describe pedophiles who are preparing innocent kids for sexual exploitation. I think it is coming to have a somewhat broader meaning: an adult who wants to separate children from a normative sexual and gender identity, to inspire confusion in them, and to turn them against their parents and all the normative traditions and institutions in society.”

Ostensibly, then, this reckless deployment of a highly charged accusation is meant to keep kids safe from sexual confusion and harm. But the “groomer” discourse isn’t really about safety. It’s about control. And it could end up doing much more harm than good.

The “groomer” talking point has been taken up by political spokespeople, Fox News hosts and conservative celebrities, who have used the term to describe anyone from educators who let it slip that they have a same-sex partner to the Mouse himself. (Disney is under fire in conservative circles for having opposed Florida’s bill.)

The suggestion is that by introducing — or simply being willing to introduce — children to questions of sexual orientation or gender identity, educators risk making young people more vulnerable to sexual predation or abuse. Indiscriminately labeling teachers “pedophiles” will help keep kids safe!

Of course, if conservatives really wanted to keep children safe from sexual predation, there is much they could do besides smear Mickey Mouse for occasionally sporting a pair of rainbow ears.

They might have spent more time closing the loopholes in Tennessee’s Republican-proposed “common-law marriage” bill that would have legalized child marriage (an amendment to address this oversight was added to the bill only this week, after progressive outcry).

They might turn a more watchful eye toward members of their own party — Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz, for instance, is actually under investigation to determine whether he had sex with a minor and engaged in sex trafficking.

They could have vocally supported legislation like the Emergency Funding for Child Protection Act, which was meant to support programs to prevent child abuse and neglect during the covid-19 pandemic. (That bill was eventually folded into the American Rescue Plan, which didn’t receive a single Republican vote.)

None of that is happening. Which indicates that this frenzy about “groomers” and pedophiles is not about children’s well-being. Rather, it’s being used to manipulate a narrative and to discipline companies, individuals and even kids themselves.

The “Mickey is a groomer” attack stems from the idea that the best way to punish Disney for not getting in line with the Florida law is to accuse the corporation of pedophilia. And the tossing around of highly charged phrases is meant to silence teachers and educators in a way that legislation never could, by equating certain teaching material with pornography and the teachers themselves (especially those openly LGBTQ) with sexual predation.

As conservative pundit Jesse Kelly put it in a Twitter thread that was later deleted: “Call them groomers and pedophiles if they oppose it. Put THEM on the defensive. Make THEM afraid.” He continued: “You have the high ground. Use it to destroy your enemy.”..............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/07/mickey-mouse-is-a-groomer-conservative-talking-point/

 

[Farb]

Do you think that a child saying "my mom and dad took me to the park" is a discussion of mom and dad's sexual preferences?

Do you think that is illegal in Florida now?

 

[Farb]

Article on the hypocrisy on 'Groomers'
=========================

Psst. Have you heard? Mickey Mouse is a groomer.

So wrote American Conservative senior editor Rod Dreher, one of many on the far right who lately have wielded accusations of pedophilia and child sex abuse to slime opponents (real or cartoon) of Florida’s Parental Rights in Education law, more broadly known as the “don’t say gay” bill.

This was part of an extended salvo: “About the term ‘groomers,’” Dreher later clarified, “it’s usually used to describe pedophiles who are preparing innocent kids for sexual exploitation. I think it is coming to have a somewhat broader meaning: an adult who wants to separate children from a normative sexual and gender identity, to inspire confusion in them, and to turn them against their parents and all the normative traditions and institutions in society.”

Ostensibly, then, this reckless deployment of a highly charged accusation is meant to keep kids safe from sexual confusion and harm. But the “groomer” discourse isn’t really about safety. It’s about control. And it could end up doing much more harm than good.

The “groomer” talking point has been taken up by political spokespeople, Fox News hosts and conservative celebrities, who have used the term to describe anyone from educators who let it slip that they have a same-sex partner to the Mouse himself. (Disney is under fire in conservative circles for having opposed Florida’s bill.)

The suggestion is that by introducing — or simply being willing to introduce — children to questions of sexual orientation or gender identity, educators risk making young people more vulnerable to sexual predation or abuse. Indiscriminately labeling teachers “pedophiles” will help keep kids safe!

Of course, if conservatives really wanted to keep children safe from sexual predation, there is much they could do besides smear Mickey Mouse for occasionally sporting a pair of rainbow ears.

They might have spent more time closing the loopholes in Tennessee’s Republican-proposed “common-law marriage” bill that would have legalized child marriage (an amendment to address this oversight was added to the bill only this week, after progressive outcry).

They might turn a more watchful eye toward members of their own party — Florida Rep. Matt Gaetz, for instance, is actually under investigation to determine whether he had sex with a minor and engaged in sex trafficking.

They could have vocally supported legislation like the Emergency Funding for Child Protection Act, which was meant to support programs to prevent child abuse and neglect during the covid-19 pandemic. (That bill was eventually folded into the American Rescue Plan, which didn’t receive a single Republican vote.)

None of that is happening. Which indicates that this frenzy about “groomers” and pedophiles is not about children’s well-being. Rather, it’s being used to manipulate a narrative and to discipline companies, individuals and even kids themselves.

The “Mickey is a groomer” attack stems from the idea that the best way to punish Disney for not getting in line with the Florida law is to accuse the corporation of pedophilia. And the tossing around of highly charged phrases is meant to silence teachers and educators in a way that legislation never could, by equating certain teaching material with pornography and the teachers themselves (especially those openly LGBTQ) with sexual predation.

As conservative pundit Jesse Kelly put it in a Twitter thread that was later deleted: “Call them groomers and pedophiles if they oppose it. Put THEM on the defensive. Make THEM afraid.” He continued: “You have the high ground. Use it to destroy your enemy.”..............

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/07/mickey-mouse-is-a-groomer-conservative-talking-point/

https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/14/us/theme-park-employees-child-sex-stings/index.html
Kingsolver, 49, is one of at least 35 Disney employees arrested since 2006 and accused of sex crimes involving children, trying to meet a minor for sex, or for possession of child pornography, according to a six-month CNN investigation that examined police and court records, and interviewed law enforcement officials and some of the men who have been arrested.

Funny how it is a 'right wing' talking point now while in 2014 it was a CNN talking point.
No one cared what Disney had to say about the law passed until Disney decided it needed to virtue signal. I have not supported Disney in years. Glad others are finally catching on. Disney is a horrible company.

 

[samiam5211]

Do you think that is illegal in Florida now?

What if the kids says "My dad's took me for a walk in the park", and then another kids says "Dads?",

 

[Farb]

What if the kids says "My dad's took me for a walk in the park", and then another kids says "Dads?",

So, in your mind, this would be a segue into the kindergarten teacher to have a discussion about people being gay and trans and the beauty of love?

How about this, the teacher act like a professional, as we have all been told the virtues and professionalism of teachers, and say "yea, Tom has two dads, not uncommon. Any other questions, I would suggest talking with your parents when you get home, now lets get back to learning the alphabet!"

See, I am not a teacher and I think I can manage keeping a 5 year old on track to actually learn the things I am being paid to teach. Not that hard honestly.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

How about this, the teacher act like a professional, as we have all been told the virtues and professionalism of teachers, and say "yea, Tom has two dads, not uncommon. Any other questions, I would suggest talking with your parents when you get home, now lets get back to learning the alphabet!"

See, I am not a teacher and I think I can manage keeping a 5 year old on track to actually learn the things I am being paid to teach. Not that hard honestly.

Good answer. I think you missed your calling in life!

 

[SystemShock]

https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/14/us/theme-park-employees-child-sex-stings/index.html
Kingsolver, 49, is one of at least 35 Disney employees arrested since 2006 and accused of sex crimes involving children, trying to meet a minor for sex, or for possession of child pornography, according to a six-month CNN investigation that examined police and court records, and interviewed law enforcement officials and some of the men who have been arrested.

Funny how it is a 'right wing' talking point now while in 2014 it was a CNN talking point.

But that isn't a "talking point". And really, it is not unheard of that sex predators would look for jobs where the presence of children is prominent, and Disney parks have a very large churning presence of children year round. Heck, as of last month, Orlando had a 115:1 resident to sex predator ratio. I'd even go as far as say about that CNN piece, as crass as it sounds, 'no shirt, Sherlock".

 

[samiam5211]

How about this, the teacher act like a professional, as we have all been told the virtues and professionalism of teachers, and say "yea, Tom has two dads, not uncommon. Any other questions, I would suggest talking with your parents when you get home, now lets get back to learning the alphabet!"

See, I am not a teacher and I think I can manage keeping a 5 year old on track to actually learn the things I am being paid to teach. Not that hard honestly.

I can tell you're not a teacher.

The kids parents would call the principal asking why a teacher sent their child home asking about homosexuals.

 

[MT15]

So, in your mind, this would be a segue into the kindergarten teacher to have a discussion about people being gay and trans and the beauty of love?

How about this, the teacher act like a professional, as we have all been told the virtues and professionalism of teachers, and say "yea, Tom has two dads, not uncommon. Any other questions, I would suggest talking with your parents when you get home, now lets get back to learning the alphabet!"

See, I am not a teacher and I think I can manage keeping a 5 year old on track to actually learn the things I am being paid to teach. Not that hard honestly.

But that still wouldn’t prevent the child’s parents from suing the school. Even if the teacher behaved exactly like you said, simply by acknowledging that fact, some nutcase parents could sue. That’s how vague and poorly written this law is.

 

[Farb]

I can tell you're not a teacher.

The kids parents would call the principal asking why a teacher sent their child home asking about homosexuals.

You don't know that. You assume that and you know what they say about 'assumeing' things?
But, if that did happen, then the parents have to grow up and raise their child. School shouldn't be a free day care.

 

[MT15]

https://www.cnn.com/2014/07/14/us/theme-park-employees-child-sex-stings/index.html
Kingsolver, 49, is one of at least 35 Disney employees arrested since 2006 and accused of sex crimes involving children, trying to meet a minor for sex, or for possession of child pornography, according to a six-month CNN investigation that examined police and court records, and interviewed law enforcement officials and some of the men who have been arrested.

Funny how it is a 'right wing' talking point now while in 2014 it was a CNN talking point.
No one cared what Disney had to say about the law passed until Disney decided it needed to virtue signal. I have not supported Disney in years. Glad others are finally catching on. Disney is a horrible company.

Disney can be a horrible company and also be right about this horrible law.

 

[Farb]

But that still wouldn’t prevent the child’s parents from suing the school. Even if the teacher behaved exactly like you said, simply by acknowledging that fact, some nutcase parents could sue. That’s how vague and poorly written this law is.

Then the courts will sort it out. That is how our judicial system works, is it not?

 

[MT15]

You don't know that. You assume that and you know what they say about 'assumeing' things?
But, if that did happen, then the parents have to grow up and raise their child. School shouldn't be a free day care.

didnt you give an anecdote about a friend of yours moving away from a school because the kid came home and asked a similar question?

Then the courts will sort it out. That is how our judicial system works, is it not?

I don’t see how asking the courts to deal with this nonsense is a good idea. Let‘s use the courts for serious stuff. Not this garbage.

 

[samiam5211]

You don't know that. You assume that and you know what they say about 'assumeing' things?
But, if that did happen, then the parents have to grow up and raise their child. School shouldn't be a free day care.

You are assuming they wouldn’t.

Try going through life without assuming things.

Those old timey sayings like that are useful to get dumb people to shut up, but have no other value.

 

[Farb]

didnt you give an anecdote about a friend of yours moving away from a school because the kid came home and asked a similar question?

I don’t see how asking the courts to deal with this nonsense is a good idea. Let‘s use the courts for serious stuff. Not this garbage.

I did and it was true. The kid asked the question, because of the openly LGTBQ agenda being pushed in blue areas. That was in Virginia/DC area.

Well, like I said earlier, we just wasted time on passing a law making lynching a federal crime so.......

 

[Farb]

You are assuming they wouldn’t.

Try going through life without assuming things.

Those old timey sayings like that are useful to get dumb people to shut up, but have no other value.

Actually, old timey saying generally have some grain of truth to them, otherwise they would not have lasted through time, especially with the rate the left is destroying language.

Well, then I guess we will have to wait and see how it works out if it ever gets to a court. Should be fun.

 

[MT15]

I did and it was true. The kid asked the question, because of the openly LGTBQ agenda being pushed in blue areas. That was in Virginia/DC area.

Well, like I said earlier, we just wasted time on passing a law making lynching a federal crime so.......

So, strictly speaking a lynching is when a group of people kill someone for a suspected crime without waiting for an arrest or a trial. It doesn’t have to be by hanging, even though they often are.

There are strong suspicions that lynchings are still happening, they are just disguised as suicides:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/08/modern-day-mississippi-lynchings/

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Do you think that is illegal in Florida now?

A child saying they went to the park with mom and dad? Not at all. Do you think it's a discussion of sexual preference?