All Things LGBTQ+ (2 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[Farb]

Gender affirming care is a giant umbrella, like the classification Mammalia. The gerbil is therapy and the hippo is reassignment surgery. Does that help?

no

 

[Farb]

No, and he wasn't arrested for that. He was arrested for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest after the police tried to remove him for making threatening gestures at another parent.

So you do consider disorderly conduct during a school board meeting to be domestic terrorism. Harsh, but I like the honesty.

 

[coldseat]

I think it's well past time we stop discussing Republican's LGBTQ authoritarianism and attack's as if they're actual issues that Republicans are trying to solve. They're not and we need to stop giving them space to breath and spread. And we need to stop caring about the right's "woke" concerns as if they're real.

Republicans used to be all about freedom, limited government and capitalism. Hogan correctly pointed out that the GOP has morphed into a party that supports pervasive government and state-directed business policies. Republicans are not “taking back” America from the left; rather, they are turning against our constitutional structure and American values. Democrats would be wise to follow Hogan’s example to appeal not only to progressives but also moderates and conservatives, many of whom spoke out against Texas’s abortion bounty bill on privacy grounds.

Psaki took a different — but still effective — tack in an exchange with Fox News’s Peter Doocy on Monday. Doocy, ever in search of sound bites to advance the MAGA agenda, snidely asked, “At what age does the White House think that students should be taught about sexual orientation and gender identity?” Psaki refused to engage, responding instead that Florida’s “Don’t Say Gay” law is “propagating misinformed, hateful policies that do absolutely nothing to address the real issues.” She added that the Department of Education is “well-positioned and ready” to evaluate whether the law violates federal civil rights law. (Disclaimer: I am an MSNBC contributor.)

Doocy plowed on, insisting that the White House (which doesn’t set curriculum for Florida schools) say whether it supports gender education for kindergartners. Psaki shot back, asking if he had examples of schools teaching sex education to little kids. She then called foul on the whole charade: “I think that’s a relevant question because I think this is a politically charged, harsh law that is putting parents and LGBTQ+ kids in a very difficult, heartbreaking circumstance.”

In other words, Democrats don’t need to accept the premise that Republicans are addressing real problems or concerns with their extreme policies. They are legislating on an imaginary issue for the sole purpose of ginning up anger and stigmatizing LGBTQ families.

Democrats don’t do well when they play on Fox News’s turf. (Oh, you want to teach gender identity to kindergartners!) Instead, they should call out these efforts for what they are: intrusive and cruel ways to marginalize certain families. Democrats need not give credence to GOP propaganda that the problem is “woke” Democrats. In reality, this is about Republicans trying to define who is a real American and who deserves respect and decency. If Democrats make that argument, they’ll find plenty of support. After all, no one likes bullies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/05/how-to-respond-to-republican-culture-war-lgbtq-dont-say-gay-florida-law/

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Not all school boards are controlled by the left. The one my kid is in is not or he would not be public schools. I am sure a school board in Mississippi is a little more conservative than a school board in California. I am sure results very, but generally, a school district that allows field trips to gay bars, has drag queen story hour or shows, has 'pride' parades at school would be left leaning. Would you agree with that?

Regardless of political ties, I do think, from first hand knowledge, most school boards are corrupt. Now the level of corruption is up for debate, sure.

You have first-hand knowledge of most school boards in this country?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So you do consider disorderly conduct during a school board meeting to be domestic terrorism. Harsh, but I like the honesty.

I never said that, and you can stop putting words in my mouth. The guy threatened to hit someone and resisted arrest. He was sentenced to a total of ten days, sentence suspended pending successful probation. Pretty sure that's not in the realm of domestic terrorism.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

no

You're failure to understand a simple analogy is yours and yours alone. It's been explained to you more than once.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Not all school boards are controlled by the left. The one my kid is in is not or he would not be public schools. I am sure a school board in Mississippi is a little more conservative than a school board in California. I am sure results very, but generally, a school district that allows field trips to gay bars, has drag queen story hour or shows, has 'pride' parades at school would be left leaning. Would you agree with that?

Regardless of political ties, I do think, from first hand knowledge, most school boards are corrupt. Now the level of corruption is up for debate, sure.

You wouldn't want your kid to have a "Big Girl Burger" on a field trip?

Elementary school students taken to gay bar on field trip​

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"I was SO honored to be invited to chaperone Wilton Manors Elementary's field trip to the incredible Rosie's!" she posted to Facebook with pictures. "The students and I had a fun walk over and learned a lot about our community! A huge thank you to Rosie's Bar and Grill for hosting this special field trip every year!"

Images of the field trip show children in the bar sitting down and posing with the restaurant's sign. The Washington Examiner is not posting the photos out of respect for the underage children.

It is not clear if the children received menus, but the establishment offers "Big Girl Burgers," "Ivana Hooker," "Rhoda Cowboy," "Georgia Bleu," "Hellena Bun," "Young Ranch Hand," and "Willy Cheesesteak."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddr...nts-taken-to-gay-bar-on-field-trip/ar-AAQ40oq

 

[cuddlemonkey]

You wouldn't want your kid to have a "Big Girl Burger" on a field trip?




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https://www.msn.com/en-us/foodanddr...nts-taken-to-gay-bar-on-field-trip/ar-AAQ40oq

Examiner says it's not clear if the children received menus because they did the bare minimum amount of work back in October. Shocker.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Examiner says it's not clear if the children received menus because they did the bare minimum amount of work back in October. Shocker.

I'll take the Grilled Cheese with fries and a side order of coleslaw. I'm hungry.

 

[RobF]

They do and there are no laws that exist that stops discussing that. Who said you can't or they don't?

Here, you've tried to switch (to paraphrase) 'parents demanding a curriculum that excludes that' to 'existing laws that stop that'. Those are, yet again, not the same thing.

If you're going to try to claim that you're simply unaware of the existence of a minority of bigoted parents demanding the exclusion of discussions of trans and gay people, I don't think anyone is going to take that seriously. I mean, there are people over there challenging the presence of children's books about penguins. At that level, it's not a subtle thing that's hard to spot.

It's also possible to permit discussion of the existence of something while still constraining the nature of that discussion in a way to be inherently false, misrepresentative, and bigoted.

And that said, there have, of course, been laws targeting such topics, and there are laws being pushed through right now that also do so, in more insidious ways. For example, if a group claims that 'gender theory' is being taught inappropriately in schools when it isn't, and then introduces laws to target said non-existent 'gender theory' teaching, but then very notably doesn't actually define the 'gender theory' they're ostensibly concerned about and instead uses vague terms accompanied with the prospect of legal action from people who've already repeatedly demonstrated they can't tell the difference between the alleged 'gender theory' teaching and the actually appropriate teaching currently taking place, it's glaringly obvious that what's happening is the existing teaching is being deliberately conflated with an advanced and inappropriate 'gender theory' teaching and the former is what's being targeted under the guise of targeting the latter.

Granted, I say it's glaringly obvious, but it's clearly fooling some people (while others are all too happy to play along for reasons of prejudice and bigotry). But, "It fooled me so it should fool you," is basically "I can't see it so it isn't there," and that's not how that works.

We had a discussion about how parents should not indoctrinate their children because society (the state) will, since a parents kids belong to 'all of us'.

I asked where I had made such a claim, and what I'd said about 'private property rights' and in what way I was backtracking on that. You appear to have just vaguely repeated yourself rather than answering.

I am all for dancing pink bananas, as long as no discusses that the said bananas might be gay. We are not ready for those level of discussions yet!

Hey, if you're fine with bananas that are dancing in the first place, you're ready to be able to consider that those funky bananas also have banana relationships and banana families!

 

[Optimus Prime]

Until Farb posted the word here I hadn’t heard the term grooming before now it’s everywhere
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The spokeswoman for Florida’s Republican governor tweeted in early March that anyone who opposes a bill forbidding teachers from talking about gender identity or sexual orientation with students in early grades is “probably a groomer or at least you don’t denounce the grooming of 4-8 year old children.”

A few days later, Fox News host Laura Ingraham asked on national television, “When did our public schools, any schools, become what are essentially grooming centers for gender identity radicals?”


And, speaking before the Tennessee House of Representatives in February, country music star John Rich compared librarians who allow children access to graphic books to sexual predators — adding he believes that there is “bona fide grooming taking place” in the state’s public schools.


“What’s the difference between a teacher, educator or librarian … or a guy in a white van pulling up at the edge of school when school lets out?” he asked. Students “can run away from the guy in the white van.”.

In the charged debate over what and how children should learn about sexual orientation and gender identity, some mainstream Republicans are tagging those who defend such lessons as “groomers,” claiming that proponents of such teaching want children primed for sexual abuse.

The argument draws on previous tactics adopted by the right to oppose the erosion of traditional gender roles at moments of societal transition, experts say.

They point out that, while groomer rhetoric seems designed to appeal to fringe partisans, it is part of a conservative effort to foster a moral panic that will help limit how and what educators teach — by restricting history lessons, banning books, and curbing discussions of systemic racism and LGBTQ issues……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/04/05/teachers-groomers-pedophiles-dont-say-gay/

 

[MT15]

This co-opting of a serious issue of child abuse and human trafficking by the far right and QAnon is actually hurting the people who are really trying to stop real abuses. It’s truly sickening to watch people waste so much time and money on this nonsense.

I saw where the actual agencies who are fighting child abuse and human trafficking have put out a statement asking them to stop using these real issues as political footballs. It’s hurting not only the people they are trying to hurt, it’s hurting the people trying to help the real victims.

 

[Farb]

You have first-hand knowledge of most school boards in this country?

I don't have know every politician but I can say without a doubt that most politicians are also corrupt.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I don't have know every politician but I can say without a doubt that most politicians are also corrupt.

But that wouldn't be first-hand knowledger. It would be yet another baseless opinion that you seem to think actually matters for some reason.

 

[Farb]

This co-opting of a serious issue of child abuse and human trafficking by the far right and QAnon is actually hurting the people who are really trying to stop real abuses. It’s truly sickening to watch people waste so much time and money on this nonsense.

I saw where the actual agencies who are fighting child abuse and human trafficking have put out a statement asking them to stop using these real issues as political footballs. It’s hurting not only the people they are trying to hurt, it’s hurting the people trying to help the real victims.

What does the Qanon theory have to do with any of this?

 

[MT15]

What does the Qanon theory have to do with any of this?

Your people are co-opting the language of QAnon to frame these issues in the schools. QAnon is obsessed with child trafficking and child pornography. Grooming refers to child sexual abuse.

All this talk of “grooming” (which you have already been using), was first co-opted by QAnon in their wild crazy talk about pedophilia everywhere. I can’t help it if you cannot see the QAnon thread running through all of this.

The crazy part of the Republican Party is adopting the way QAnon talks about child sexual abuse and using it to stir people up. And it’s working on you, at least.

 

[Farb]

I am not even 100% sure what Qananon is so I know I can't see the 'thread running through all of this'. Qanon sounds like a liberal conspiracy theory and obviously it is if all conservatives that oppose groomers are part of qanon.

Although, if Qanon is against child sexualization and gender theory in K through 3rd grades, then sign me up, is there a website?

 

[coldseat]

I am not even 100% sure what Qananon is so I know I can't see the 'thread running through all of this'. Qanon sounds like a liberal conspiracy theory and obviously it is if all conservatives that oppose groomers are part of qanon.

Although, if Qanon is against child sexualization and gender theory in K through 3rd grades, then sign me up, is there a website?

All you right wingers have that oblivious gene. It's like y'all are all politicians.

What do you mean? What are you talking about???? Uh hu.