All Things LGBTQ+ (7 Viewers)

[Farb]

Didn't really see a place for this so I thought I would start a thread about all things LGBTQ since this is a pretty hot topic in our culture right now

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/17/sup...y-that-refuses-to-work-with-lgbt-couples.html

• The Supreme Court on Thursday delivered a unanimous defeat to LGBT couples in a high-profile case over whether Philadelphia could refuse to contract with a Roman Catholic adoption agency that says its religious beliefs prevent it from working with same-sex foster parents.
• Chief Justice John Roberts wrote in an opinion for a majority of the court that Philadelphia violated the First Amendment by refusing to contract with Catholic Social Services once it learned that the organization would not certify same-sex couples for adoption.

I will admit, I was hopeful for this decision by the SCOTUS but I was surprised by the unanimous decision.

While I don't think there is anything wrong, per se, with same sex couples adopting and raising children (I actually think it is a good thing as it not an abortion) but I also did not want to see the state force a religious institution to bend to a societal norm.

 

[samiam5211]

Do you think parents should have a say in the education curriculum for their kids, or rely on the professionals?

Do you think parents should have a say in the education curriculum for other people's kids, or just their own?

 

[Farb]

It's not unfounded? Then you can surely provide evidence of "adults condoning children mutilating their bodies".

What word or term would you use when a person has his penis inverted to creat a vagina, and have his testicles removed in order to stop the production of testosterone? Or the one where they invert a girls vagina in order to create a penis type thingy?
Are these procedures not pushed for by the left and called 'gender affirming procedures'?

 

[Farb]

Do you think parents should have a say in the education curriculum for other people's kids, or just their own?

Is that not the main issue we are having right now with government school boards?
Do we live in a republic or a bureaucratic dictatorship?
They decided the curriculum for all the kids and as it turns out the vast majority of parents were appalled to find out that gender and race theory was front and center. That in turn made the left big mad that parents found out and pushed back.

So the questions really is do you think parents should have a say in their children's education?

 

[Farb]

Weren't you just complaining about "don't say gay"? then you jump right into "anti-groomer bill"

What exactly is allowing children knowing that gays and transgendered people exist and that's okay grooming them for?

Good catch. Why should the left only have the power to change words and come up with catchy incorrect slogans? Like I said, I love the fact that the right is starting to catch up...not the politicians, they are still garbage for the most part, but the normal people of this society.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Good catch. Why should the left only have the power to change words and come up with catchy incorrect slogans? Like I said, I love the fact that the right is starting to catch up...not the politicians, they are still garbage for the most part, but the normal people of this society.

Backwards - it's the left playing copycat

It's been the right's SOP for ages

 

[Farb]

That's not an 'or'.

Unless they're homeschooling and completely independently developing their own curriculum, parents naturally rely on teachers and other education professionals to define a suitable curriculum.

Parents also have a say in that through a lot of different ways (the extent of each varying by area, state, country): direct interaction, school boards, choices of schools, local and national elections, etc.

And that said, if some parents choose to use that say to demand that their children are taught an inappropriate curriculum that includes falsehoods, misrepresentations, and bigotry, I fully support the professionals in not doing that.

So, you only support parents having the say, as you just said by design, by elections of the school boards, super intendents, ect.... but only if they fall in line what you think is correct? If the parents wants something not taught but the 'professionals' disagree, then you side with the professionals over the parents. So you only stance is that professionals decide ultimately. If the parents object, do you also consider them to be domestic terrorists like this current administration?

Strong stance.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

What word or term would you use when a person has his penis inverted to creat a vagina, and have his testicles removed in order to stop the production of testosterone? Or the one where they invert a girls vagina in order to create a penis type thingy?
Are these procedures not pushed for by the left and called 'gender affirming procedures'?

I don't know anyone pushing for gender reassignment surgery for children. Can you show where this is actually happening?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

So, you only support parents having the say, as you just said by design, by elections of the school boards, super intendents, ect.... but only if they fall in line what you think is correct? If the parents wants something not taught but the 'professionals' disagree, then you side with the professionals over the parents. So you only stance is that professionals decide ultimately. If the parents object, do you also consider them to be domestic terrorists like this current administration?

Strong stance.

The whole domestic terrorist thing, as you call it, was from parents who actually made terroristic threats. You know that.

 

[Farb]

The whole domestic terrorist thing, as you call it, was from parents who actually made terroristic threats. You know that.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/25/ag-me...rorist-parents-an-apology-and-an-explanation/

The National School Boards Association has now apologized for that letter labeling parents “domestic terrorists” subject to the Patriot Act if they speak up about their kids’ education. When will the White House apologize for requesting the hysterical memo, and Attorney General Merrick Garland for responding by directing the FBI to get involved?

Maybe we are thinking of 2 different things.

 

[Farb]

I don't know anyone pushing for gender reassignment surgery for children. Can you show where this is actually happening?

Gender reassignment or as I said, gender affirming procedures?

Are puberty blockers not gender affirming procedures?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

https://nypost.com/2021/10/25/ag-me...rorist-parents-an-apology-and-an-explanation/

The National School Boards Association has now apologized for that letter labeling parents “domestic terrorists” subject to the Patriot Act if they speak up about their kids’ education. When will the White House apologize for requesting the hysterical memo, and Attorney General Merrick Garland for responding by directing the FBI to get involved?

Maybe we are thinking of 2 different things.

Here is the memo in question. It mentions "harassment, intimidation, and threats of violence", and goes on to explicitly state that they will be addressing threats and criminal conduct. Do you think the FBI should be involved in investigating and countering threats and criminal conduct directed at school board members and school officials?

Edit: Forgot the link.

https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Gender reassignment or as I said, gender affirming procedures?

Are puberty blockers not gender affirming procedures?

Gerbils and hippos are both mammals, but they're damn sure not the same thing.

 

[RobF]

So, you only support parents having the say, as you just said by design, by elections of the school boards, super intendents, ect.... but only if they fall in line what you think is correct? If the parents wants something not taught but the 'professionals' disagree, then you side with the professionals over the parents. So you only stance is that professionals decide ultimately. If the parents object, do you also consider them to be domestic terrorists like this current administration?

Strong stance.

Farb, you seem to be repeatedly going for a 'substitute something different and hope no-one notices' approach here.

So in this post, I said I would support professionals in opposing 'an inappropriate curriculum that includes falsehoods, misrepresentations, and bigotry', and you've substituted 'something not taught' for that. Those are not the same thing. There's no point misrepresenting my own stance back to me, nor to the rest of the forum, when the original post is there and quite clear.

Similarly, in your own posts, you've referred to 'children mutilating their bodies', upon being questioned referred to surgical procedures, and then when questioned again, suddenly substituted in puberty blockers. Again, everyone can see what you've done there.

I don't think anyone here is dumb enough to not notice that you're swapping apples for oranges. So maybe give that one a rest.

 

[brandon]

Gender reassignment or as I said, gender affirming procedures?

Are puberty blockers not gender affirming procedures?

I don't know if this qualifies as moving the goalposts so much as packing them up and shipping them to Jupiter.

 

[samiam5211]

Is that not the main issue we are having right now with government school boards?
Do we live in a republic or a bureaucratic dictatorship?
They decided the curriculum for all the kids and as it turns out the vast majority of parents were appalled to find out that gender and race theory was front and center. That in turn made the left big mad that parents found out and pushed back.

So the questions really is do you think parents should have a say in their children's education?

I don't think parents should have any more say than anyone else living in that community.

 

[RobF]

They decided the curriculum for all the kids and as it turns out the vast majority of parents were appalled to find out that gender and race theory was front and center. That in turn made the left big mad that parents found out and pushed back.

Also, this is, to put it politely, false.

E.g. https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...ols-education-racism-slavery-poll/5772418001/

Even when asked specifically about CRT, more parents support it being taught (49%) than oppose it (30%). When asked about the ongoing effects of slavery and racism being taught, it's 63% support to 30% opposing.

You appear to be trying to substitute what Republicans think with what the 'vast majority of parents' think. But again, those aren't the same thing. They're the minority there.

Edit to note that it's similar with gender. Only 25% think 'classroom instruction about gender identity or sexual orientation' should not be allowed in middle school and high school, and that's still only 35% when asked about the same in elementary school (source: https://nationalparentsunion.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/NPU-Topline-March-2022.pdf).

That's not to say that none of those figures is concerning - around a third of people wanting reality to be avoided in schools is something that should be concerning - but it's plain that Farb's 'vast majority' is a minority.

 

[Port City JJ]

I replied to your comment about four year olds. I think the fact that you can't reply to my response about what four year olds are being taught without having to immediately conflate it with your other posts about other children speaks volumes. You're demonstrating you can't focus on any particular aspect of your argument, because no aspect of your argument can stand up to any reasonable scrutiny.

That said, as far as your links go, if you'd actually read the articles you'd posted, you'd already know that your representation of them is wrong. For example, your abcnews link explicitly quotes the parent as having given permission for a boy's name to be used for attendance purposes, following a meeting with them. Even if you take the parent's account as not in itself misleading, by their own account, they were involved and that was not kept from them.

The article also states that:

Under state and federal law, however, students have privacy rights that extend to sexual orientation and gender identity, according to the American Civil Liberties Union. Only in limited circumstances can a school notify a parent of their child’s sexual identity against their wishes.​

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“Outside of school, these students may similarly face potential hostility at home because of who they are,” said attorney Peter Renn of Lambda Legal. “For example, involuntarily outing a student as LGBTQ to their parents can very well lead to them getting kicked out of the home in some circumstances.”​

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So, if you'd actually read it, you would have some understanding of not only what the policies are, but why they are too.

Or you can carry on believing every half-baked claim you read, ignoring anything that conflicts with them, and posting easily refuted nonsense here. Not sure why you'd want to do that though. Have you considered taking up a hobby?

 

[MT15]

What word or term would you use when a person has his penis inverted to creat a vagina, and have his testicles removed in order to stop the production of testosterone? Or the one where they invert a girls vagina in order to create a penis type thingy?
Are these procedures not pushed for by the left and called 'gender affirming procedures'?

No children are having surgery and it’s dishonest to claim they are.

Is that not the main issue we are having right now with government school boards?
Do we live in a republic or a bureaucratic dictatorship?
They decided the curriculum for all the kids and as it turns out the vast majority of parents were appalled to find out that gender and race theory was front and center. That in turn made the left big mad that parents found out and pushed back.

So the questions really is do you think parents should have a say in their children's education?

So many falsehoods you’re really upping your game. That is definitely not a compliment.

the false claim about mutilation has been covered, but I would just like to say - I don’t think you’re a stupid person and I don’t believe you got mixed up. I think you are deliberating lying, what I don’t know is why. I don’t expect you to own up to your motivations for lying, just know that you’re not fooling anyone.

Who do you think is on school boards? Are they not elected local people, who have other jobs and live in the community? Yes, of course they are. Interesting, your sudden label of a school board as a “government” school board. That’s not the way anyone describes school boards, which are as local as it gets. It’s a propaganda technique. I wonder where you saw it?