2024 GOP Presidential Race (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Yeah, because Biden wouldn't benefit from cheap gas prices.

Which will happen only after the war is over and Russia is selling every ounce of oil they can pump.

Biden only likes low gas prices when an election is coming up. His handlers have the crazy idea that if they keep gasoline expensive enough, people who can't afford three dollar gas will buy $64,000 electric vehicles instead.

Really, what their hoping for is that the middle class will leave the roads to the elite and ride the bus.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Ok.

I don't buy this argument at all, but hey, if that's what you think, so be it.

Only if Putin and Zelensky agree to a sit down. Putin absolutely won't agree to a sit down of any sort that involves trying to end the war with anything that involves ceding territory beyond the 2014 borders. They're suffering from massive sunk cost fallacy and there's really no saving face. Putin essentially is trapped. The agreement you're suggesting would result in Putin being overthrown by his opponents in Russia in pretty short order.

And Zelensky is already on record stating that they want a return to pre-2014 borders. I don't see him compromising.

If Trump managed to pull that off, I'd give him credit for it. But it's about as likely as someone selling me a beach house in Death Valley.

It is possible that Trump's negotiation idea will not work. If it doesn't, he can fairly say that the war is hopeless so there is no need to pump more American money into the conflict.

But I believe that it will work. Sure both leader are taking absolutist stances. That how you start a negotiation. Everyone knows you don't really mean it.

Remember when Biden said that he was not going to negotiate over the debt limit? So McCarthy said he would not negotiate over the debt ceiling increase that congress passed. At the last minute, Biden said that he would negotiate after all. McCarthy did a victory lap.

Get it? McCarthy did a victory lap and Biden had not yet conceded anything except that he would negotiate, having said that he would not.

Biden gave McCarthy a face-saving way to accept far fewer concessions, and to ask Congress to vote on a new debt ceiling bill. A suprisingly well-done move on Biden's part.

That's how negotiations work and Europeans get that. So does Trump, which makes him unique among presidents since Reagan.

 

[DaveXA]

Biden only likes low gas prices when an election is coming up.

Well, that's generally true for any incumbent.

His handlers have the crazy idea that if they keep gasoline expensive enough, people who can't afford three dollar gas will buy $64,000 electric vehicles instead.

As opposed to the market conditions setting gas prices? We both know the President has little practical control over gas prices. He can affect the magins with some policy directives, but those are a minor influence for the most part.

There are more than a few sub-$50k EVs coming into the market. I'm not sold on EVs but i do recognize that this is the future.

Really, what their hoping for is that the middle class will leave the roads to the elite and ride the bus.

Lol, no. The middle class will continue to buy cars as they have for the last century. That said, there's really nothing wrong with taking public transportation. I take the metro to work in DC. I actually prefer it to driving. To each his own tho.

 

[DaveXA]

It is possible that Trump's negotiation idea will not work. If it doesn't, he can fairly say that the war is hopeless so there is no need to pump more American money into the conflict.

So, hand Ukraine to Russia? Because that's what would happen if the US and NATO withdraws support from Ukraine.

But I believe that it will work. Sure both leader are taking absolutist stances. That how you start a negotiation. Everyone knows you don't really mean it.

You sure are optimistic about them sitting down, let alone agreeing on something. Good luck with that.

Remember when Biden said that he was not going to negotiate over the debt limit? So McCarthy said he would not negotiate over the debt ceiling increase that congress passed. At the last minute, Biden said that he would negotiate after all. McCarthy did a victory lap.

Get it? McCarthy did a victory lap and Biden had not yet conceded anything except that he would negotiate. Biden gave McCarthy a face-saving way to accept far fewer concessions, and to ask Congress to vote on a new debt ceiling bill. A suprisingly well-done move on Biden's part.

That's how negotiations work and Europeans get that. So does Trump, which makes him unique among presidents since Reagan.

Comparing budget negotiations with Ukraine-Russia negotiations seems absurd to me, but hey, it's your opinion.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Well, that's generally true for any incumbent.

As opposed to the market conditions setting gas prices? We both know the President has little practical control over gas prices. He can affect the magins with some policy directives, but those are a minor influence for the most part.

Canceling a pipeline in the states, while first allowing a pipeline for Russia and then blowing it up certainly affected gas prices.

There are more than a few sub-$50k EVs coming into the market. I'm not sold on EVs but i do recognize that this is the future.

Sure, and I will love one, when there is the infrastruction to support them. Meanwhile, I live in an area prone to hurricanes and I sure as heck am not going to trust the existing EV services for an evacuation.

Lol, no. The middle class will continue to buy cars as they have for the last century. That said, there's really nothing wrong with taking public transportation. I take the metro to work in DC. I actually prefer it to driving. To each his own tho.

That's the direction the left is pushing us into.

 

[Taurus]

Biden only likes low gas prices when an election is coming up. His handlers have the crazy idea that if they keep gasoline expensive enough, people who can't afford three dollar gas will buy $64,000 electric vehicles instead.

Really, what their hoping for is that the middle class will leave the roads to the elite and ride the bus.

The Real Money(tm) isn't in the fighting part of this war.

 

[DaveXA]

Canceling a pipeline in the states, while first allowing a pipeline for Russia and then blowing it up certainly affected gas prices.

Are you talking about the XL pipeline? That had very little affect on gas prices. We're talking 5 to 10 cents per gallon, if that. I don't know what you're talking about "allowing" Russia a pipeline then blowing it up. Are you claiming we blew it up? There's zero evidence of that.

Sure, and I will love one, when there is the infrastruction to support them. Meanwhile, I live in an area prone to hurricanes and I sure as heck am not going to trust the existing EV services for an evacuation.

There's been some discussion on that in the EV thread on SR.com. That's a valid concern, but if generators can power a house, they can recharge a car. It's not really that complicated.

That's the direction the left is pushing us into.

I do think it's a good goal to have more people use public transportation. The traffic in DC is absolutely horrendous. So if public transportation can help relieve some of that, why would that be a bad thing?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Are you talking about the XL pipeline? That had very little affect on gas prices. We're talking 5 to 10 cents per gallon, if that. I don't know what you're talking about "allowing" Russia a pipeline then blowing it up. Are you claiming we blew it up? There's zero evidence of that.

There's been some discussion on that in the EV thread on SR.com. That's a valid concern, but if generators can power a house, they can recharge a car. It's not really that complicated.

I do think it's a good goal to have more people use public transportation. The traffic in DC is absolutely horrendous. So if public transportation can help relieve some of that, why would that be a bad thing?

Honestly, Dave, when you say that cancelling one oil pipeline and blowing up another doesn't affect gas prices, I lose interest in debating that part of it.

Taking Biden at his word on the pipeline:

 

[DaveXA]

Honestly, Dave, when you say that cancelling one oil pipeline and blowing up another doesn't affect gas prices, I lose interest in debating that part of it.

It's a fact. I've actually talked to friends in the business, owner/operators, who have said the Keystone pipeline isn't that big a deal. And I clearly said the affect is minimal for Keystone. It would lower prices, but not by much. It's a really small percentage of the global oil supply that would be affected.

And again what's the point of bringing up the blowing up of the other one? You brought it up, so it's on you to state why.

 

[Snarky Sack]

It's a fact. I've actually talked to friends in the business, owner/operators, who have said the Keystone pipeline isn't that big a deal. And I clearly said the affect is minimal for Keystone. It would lower prices, but not by much. It's a really small percentage of the global oil supply that would be affected.

Fine, you say it has a minimal effect. It does have an effect, then. So any claim that Biden prioritizes low gas prices for Americans is false. His nominees to key energy related positions are people who believe that gas prices being high is a good thing, because we will drive less and switch to electric cars. Here his energy secretary literally LoL's at the idea that she might want to increase American oil production.

And again what's the point of bringing up the blowing up of the other one? You brought it up, so it's on you to state why.

Yet another way that Biden has driven up oil prices.

 

[DaveXA]

Fine, you say it has a minimal effect. It does have an effect, then. So any claim that Biden prioritizes low gas prices for Americans is false.

You do realize gas prices are down over 27% compared to a year ago?

His nominees to key energy related positions are people who believe that gas prices being high is a good thing, because we will drive less and switch to electric cars. Here his energy secretary literally LoL's at the idea that she might want to increase American oil production.

I don't see the problem here.

Yet another way that Biden has driven up oil prices.

Again, gas prices are down over 27%. What the hell does Biden have to do with a pipeline blowing up?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Since this is the 2024 GOP Presidential Race thread, I thought I would attempt to share my takeaways from a Nikki Haley interview I just viewed........She is concerned about China because they now have more naval vessels than us and every year that goes by the gap will widen. She wants to be our President and strengthen our military. According to her, China is buying up farmland near US military bases and China has stolen some of our intellectual properties. She pledges if she were our President she would turn the tide and be tough on China. Regarding Pence's call for all GOP candidates to pledge re the 15 week abortion ban scenario. Haley says: Let's be REAL with the American people. We are not going to get the numbers in the Senare and the House to do that. AND we should not such hardliners. Yes ( she said ) I am Pro Life..but we need to make the case for the unborn child without forcing it on women. We should strengthen circumstances that would encourage good adoptions. We should make our case and strive to build a consensus...without forcing women to bow to our values. These are my best attempts to present what she said. It is of course not her literal words. I will post this and then continue.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Since this is the 2024 GOP Presidential Race thread, I thought I would attempt to share my takeaways from a Nikki Haley interview I just viewed........She is concerned about China because they now have more naval vessels than us and every year that goes by the gap will widen. She wants to be our President and strengthen our military. According to her, China is buying up farmland near US military bases and China has stolen some our intellectual properties. She pledges if she were our President she would turn the tide and be tough on China. Regarding Pence's call for all GOP candidates to pledge re the 15 week abortion scenario. Haley says: Let's be REAL with the American people. We are not going to get the numbers in the Senare and the House to do that. AND we should not such hardliners. Yes ( she said ) I am Pro Life..but we need to make the case for the unborn child without forcing it on women. We should strengthen circumstances that would encourage good adoptions. We should make our case and strive to build a consensus...without forcing women to bow to our values. These are my best attempts to present what she said. It is of course not her literal words. I will post this and then continue.

Another aspect was her response to where she is in the National GOP polls. One poll sited in the interview showed her currently with 3% support. Nikki H said that she and her team are working hard the old fashion way in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. There will be televised debates that she is qualified to be in. After the debates and after months of shaking hands and speaking to the voters of the three states she mentioned, she predicts her numbers will rise significantly.

 

[Snarky Sack]

You do realize gas prices are down over 27% compared to a year ago?

How do they look compared to under Trump?

I don't see the problem here.

Again, gas prices are down over 27%. What the hell does Biden have to do with a pipeline blowing up?

You didn't watch the video of Biden promising that if Russia invaded Ukraine, they would lose the pipeline? Do you think that he was lying about that?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Since this is the 2024 GOP Presidential Race thread, I thought I would attempt to share my takeaways from a Nikki Haley interview I just viewed........She is concerned about China because they now have more naval vessels than us and every year that goes by the gap will widen. She wants to be our President and strengthen our military. According to her, China is buying up farmland near US military bases and China has stolen some of our intellectual properties. She pledges if she were our President she would turn the tide and be tough on China.

Haley will be a force in the 2024 election. I just don't think that she has enough name recognition and experience and accomplishments to be the nominee. I think she would be great as a running mate.

If not, then in the second Trump administration, she would be very valuable as SecState, or National securety advisor. If Trump would listen to her about her China concerns, he would negotiate with China to avoid the excessive inappropriate behavior that they have shown the last two years.

Regarding Pence's call for all GOP candidates to pledge re the 15 week abortion ban scenario. Haley says: Let's be REAL with the American people. We are not going to get the numbers in the Senare and the House to do that. AND we should not such hardliners. Yes ( she said ) I am Pro Life..but we need to make the case for the unborn child without forcing it on women. We should strengthen circumstances that would encourage good adoptions. We should make our case and strive to build a consensus...without forcing women to bow to our values. These are my best attempts to present what she said. It is of course not her literal words. I will post this and then continue.

Here again, Trump is in a good position. Though he was never known as an abortion hardliner, he indirectly brought about the overturning of Roe v. Wade though his nominations. He will gain more votes from undecideds and moderates than he will lose from pro-lifers if he takes a less strident position. Haley can be the face of women who support Trump, if she is his running mate, or if Trump lets it be known that she will be senior in his administration.

 

[DaveXA]

How do they look compared to under Trump?

Inauguration day gas prices:
Obama 2013: $3.31
Trump 2017: $2.32
Biden 2021: $2.38
Gas a year ago: $5.07
Gas today: $3.68

You didn't watch the video of Biden promising that if Russia invaded Ukraine, they would lose the pipeline? Do you think that he was lying about that?

You seriously think he meant blowing it up?

Regardless, there's absolutely zero evidence we had anything to do with it.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Inauguration day gas prices:
Obama 2013: $3.31
Trump 2017: $2.32
Biden 2021: $2.38
Gas a year ago: $5.07
Gas today: $3.68

So, as of today, Biden has gas prices up by $1.30 over the price he inherited. That is a 54% increase. I'm glad that prices are going down, as the 2024 election approaches. If Biden wins again, he'll have no such concerns, and Granholm will be let loose.

You seriously think he meant blowing it up?

What else did he mean? Was it an empty threat? He meant that there would no long be a Nord Stream 2 and that "we" will bring an end to it.

Either he was lying or he was telling the truth, but that is what he said.

Regardless, there's absolutely zero evidence we had anything to do with it.

If a company burns down, and there was an employee who said "If I ever get fired, there will no longer be an ABC Processing Company, I will bring an end to it," and he did get fired, who is the first suspect the police should look at?

 

[DaveXA]

So, as of today, Biden has gas prices up by $1.30 over the price he inherited. That is a 54% increase. I'm glad that prices are going down, as the 2024 election approaches. If Biden wins again, he'll have no such concerns, and Granholm will be let loose.

I disagree he'll be let loose. Time will tell I guess.

What else did he mean? Was it an empty threat? He meant that there would no long be a Nord Stream 2 and that "we" will bring an end to it.

Either he was lying or he was telling the truth, but that is what he said.

Or, he could have meant that they would sanction countries trading via the pipeline? There's more than one way to cut off a supply source.

If a company burns down, and there was an employee who said "If I ever get fired, there will no longer be an ABC Processing Company, I will bring an end to it," and he did get fired, who is the first suspect the police should look at?

Again, by all accounts, there's zero evidence regardless what Biden said. Until it made clear who's responsible, I'm not pinning it on anyone.