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    Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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    Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
    He won convincingly.
    Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
    Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
    In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
    Here is an interesting article on this topic...
    www.scotsman.com

    Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

    Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.
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    What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?
     
    Eeyore said:

    They fired the teacher who took video of the empty library.
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    I saw that. Evidently there was a policy that prohibited posting images of the school on social media, but the school district didn’t take any action since the picture was literally 2 empty bookshelves with nothing else visible. Then this week DeSantis claimed the picture was “faked” and complained and they suddenly dusted off the policy and fired him. Just great - the governor of the state is so petty that a substitute teacher isn’t below his vengeance.
     
    Lol - I don’t think DeSantis will run at this point.

     
    Backstage at a House Republican fundraiser in September 2018, President Donald Trump heard an urgent plea from his reelection campaign manager, Brad Parscale: They needed to talk about Ron DeSantis.


    At the urging of DeSantis’s team, Parscale begged Trump to set aside a public tiff, according to people familiar with the conversation.

    DeSantis had infuriated Trump by contradicting his groundless claim that month that Democrats were inflating the death toll from Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico.

    Trump viewed the remark as a betrayal since his endorsement had just helped DeSantis win the Republican primary for governor of Florida.


    Parscale argued that if DeSantis lost his race that fall, it would make it harder for Trump to win the state in 2020. It’s not just for him, Parscale told Trump, it’s for you.

    Trump agreed, and their tension stayed below the surface — until this past fall, in anticipation of the Florida governor preparing to challenge Trump for the 2024 presidential nomination.


    Now, their emerging rivalry is the latest twist on a years-long public alliance that belied private misgivings and suspicions, according to interviews with more than a dozen people, many of whom were present for key decisions and conversations, and spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private interactions.

    Despite basking in each other’s reflected glow, Trump and DeSantis had a relationship based on mutual advantage rather than genuine closeness — “an alliance of convenience,” in the words of one person who knows both men.

    “DeSantis has both used Trump and overtaken Trump in a remarkable way,” said David Jolly, a former GOP congressman from Florida who served with DeSantis and has been critical of both him and Trump.

    DeSantis was skeptical of Trump before he won the presidency and made fun of Trump on multiple occasions, according to recordings obtained by The Washington Post and news reports from the time. Later, he was determined to get Trump’s blessing to boost his bid for governor.


    Trump once liked how DeSantis defended him on TV and could advance his own political interests in Florida. These days, he sees DeSantis as an impediment to his bid to return to the White House. “He’s a young guy,” Trump has told advisers. “Why would he not wait?”


    As some Republicans loudly pin their hopes on DeSantis to overtake Trump as the party’s new standard-bearer, years of grudges and slights are coming to a head as a potentially defining dynamic of the GOP primary. Polls show Trump and DeSantis as the clear early leaders, even as DeSantis has yet to enter the contest………

     
    One of the writers of “Eye of the Tiger” is blasting Nikki Haley for playing the song at her 2024 presidential campaign launch, saying that politicians using his music is “not appropriate.”

    “Stop using my f—ing song!” Frankie Sullivan, the Survivor band member who co-wrote the 1982 mega-hit with Jim Peterik, told Billboard in an interview published Wednesday.

    Haley, South Carolina’s former Republican governor, kicked off her White House bid on Wednesday and took to the stage as “Eye of the Tiger” played for the crowd at the launch event in Charleston, S.C. She’s the first Republican to jump in the 2024 race since former President Trump announced his run for the GOP nomination last November.

    “That song belongs with the ’Rocky’ franchise and they don’t ask because they’d get a no. Absolutely,” Sullivan, 68, said.

    “I don’t care who it is, I don’t think it’s appropriate, especially with ‘Tiger,’ since it’s such a special song,” the musician said..............

     
    I've actually been reading Trump's 'truths' (what is the equivalent of tweets there?) on Truth social and it's pretty funny to see him on the warpath against DeSantis, Koch Industries, and Rupert Murdoch's media empire. I can only hope it continues and the GOP implodes.
     
    SaulGoodmanEsq said:
    I've actually been reading Trump's 'truths' (what is the equivalent of tweets there?) on Truth social and it's pretty funny to see him on the warpath against DeSantis, Koch Industries, and Rupert Murdoch's media empire. I can only hope it continues and the GOP implodes.
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    Yup, I really hope he burns it all down, just to lose the election in spectacular fashion once again....and if a bunch of his moronic followers try storming the Capital they are met with bullets.....
     
    Nearly all of the focus group participants had supported Donald Trump in 2020 and said they would vote for him again against President Biden in 2024. But things got complicated when the moderator asked for the one emotion they now felt when they saw Trump on television or computers screens.

    “That’s a hard one. That’s a hard one,” said Angela, 53, from South Carolina. “Just because of the way they’ve done him.” She spoke of Trump’s opponents who had tried to hurt him both in office and since he left the White House. “It’s more of an embarrassment for him for what they put him through,” she added. “I feel embarrassed for him.”

    “The current Trump is not the Trump that I voted for,” said Nancy, 69, from Iowa. “I feel like he has shown some things, qualities and non-qualities, whatever, that I don’t care for now.”

    Deborah, 67, also from South Carolina, described herself as “stumped” by the question. “I was proud when he was our president, but you know, there’s so many things … the way they treated him and everything, ” she said, alluding to Trump critics.

    Such hesitation and ambiguity dominated two recent focus groups of persuadable Republican primary voters from the key early nominating states of New Hampshire, Nevada, Iowa and South Carolina. In the sessions with 14 voters, conducted for The Washington Post by research firms Engagious and Schlesinger, most stood by their past support for the onetime undisputed Republican leader. The future was a different issue, with most saying they would vote for someone else in the GOP primary. Half of the group said they would vote for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

    Two people picked “pride” and “hopeful” as their emotions upon seeing Trump, but the rest pulled from the other end of their emotional range, with words like “anxious,” “neutral,” “frustrated,” “nervous,” “overwhelmed,” “fatigue,” “embarrassed,” “annoyed,” and “maddening.”

    Most were careful not to criticize Trump directly — they praised his presidency and had critical views of Biden — but something had shifted. They spoke of him as a victim with flaws, not as the unassailable political alpha leader that had taken the party by storm in 2016.

    “To borrow a phrase from the late Ross Perot, what we heard was the giant sucking sound of persuadable GOP voters migrating away from Donald Trump,” said Rich Thau, moderator of the focus groups and president of Engagious, a firm specializing in policy message testing. “People tend to vote more on how they feel than how they think. And Trump is evoking more negative than positive emotions in these voters.”............

     
    MT15 said:
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    One day I'd love to deep dive into this. I mean, why are we so afraid of opinions, stances, etc in education? Shouldn't we be free to hear different perspectives, and then be free to make up our minds on them? Social Science area always going to have a social/opinion side to them, more so than Chemistry, Physics, Math will.
     
    Guess this can go here
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    The decision to sentence someone to death is profound and, typically, irreversible, leaving no room for error in a criminal justice system where errors abound.


    Florida’s justice system is particularly good at making mistakes; so good that it leads the nation in the number of felons who faced the death penalty but were exonerated.

    Trying to make it easier to put more people on Florida’s death row might seem bizarre, but that is exactly what the state’s Republican-dominated legislature, working in tandem with Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis, seems intent on doing.

    In a state that has executed 99 convicted murderers since the 1970s, 30 people on death row have seen their cases overturned during that period. There are 299 death row prisoners in Florida. Is it likely that not one will be exonerated?…..

    The bill would allow a judge to toss out a jury’s recommendation of life without parole and substitute the death penalty.

    No other state permits that, but it was the law in Florida until nearly seven years ago. That’s when the U.S. Supreme Court, in Hurst v. Florida, ruled that judges wielded too much power in death sentencing cases. The high court’s decision forced Florida to change its law.


    But the proposed legislation would go further: It would also journey back in time and allow a jury to recommend a death sentence without unanimity — an 8-4 majority could impose it. Florida law did not require unanimous decisions in death sentencing until 2017.


    Instead, a jury would need only to agree unanimously on one matter — that the defendant is eligible for the death penalty because at least one “aggravating factor” exists beyond a reasonable doubt.


    That is a lamentably low bar; prosecutors can’t even seek the death penalty if there is no “aggravating factor.” They have 16 to choose from, including murdering for money, creating “a great risk of death to many persons” or killing in a “cold, calculated, and premeditated manner.”……….

     
    I'm sure this will be brought up
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    Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley defended states’ rights to secede from the United States, South Carolina’s Confederate History Month and the Confederate flag in a 2010 interview with a local activist group that “fights attacks against Southern Culture.”

    Haley, who was running for South Carolina governor at the time, made the comments during an interview with the now defunct “The Palmetto Patriots,” a group which included a one-time board member of a White nationalist organization.

    The former UN ambassador also described the Civil War as two sides fighting for different values, one for “tradition” and one for “change.”

    Haley announced last week she was running for president, becoming the first official major challenger to former President Donald Trump.

    The interview was posted on the group’s YouTube at the time and resurfaced over the years, most recently by Patriots Takes, an anonymous Twitter account that monitors right wing extremism. CNN’s KFile reviewed the interviews as part of a look into Haley’s early political career.

    One of the Palmetto Patriots’ interviewers was Robert Slimp, a pastor and member of the Sons of Conservative Veterans and one-time board member and active member of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC), a White nationalist group. The CCC is a self-described White-rights group that opposes non-White immigration and advocates a White nationalist ideology. The group reportedly inspired Charleston shooter Dylann Roof, the White nationalist who killed nine people at a historically Black church in Charleston, South Carolina, in 2015................

     
    Conservative entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy announced his 2024 bid for the presidency Tuesday evening during an appearance on Tucker Carlson Tonight and in a subsequent Wall Street Journal editorial.

    "To put America first, we need to rediscover what America is. That's why I am running for president," Ramaswamy wrote in his op-ed. "I am launching not only a political campaign but a cultural movement to create a new American Dream — one that is not only about money but about the unapologetic pursuit of excellence."

    The Ohio native has founded many multibillion-dollar tech and health care companies, after graduating summa cum laude from Harvard and receiving a law degree from Yale, according to his biography page on Strive.com.

    "It may seem presumptuous for a 37-year-old political outsider to pursue the highest office in the land, but I am running on a vision for our nation — one that revives merit in every sphere of American life," Ramaswamy wrote in his announcement.

    Ramaswamy has been outspoken against companies using their platforms for social causes and has echoed the views of many far-right Republicans that America's values are in decline, citing critical race theory, self-victimization, and efforts to stop climate change as things that have destroyed the nation's once-shared identity.

    In line with those talking points, he's said that Americans' recent focus on diversity only emphasizes people's differences.

    In his editorial, Ramaswamy called for securing the border, eliminating affirmative action "across the American economy," and declaring economic independence from China, which he calls "the greatest external threat to America."

    He's elaborated on his beliefs through his 2021 New York Times best-selling book, Woke, Inc.: Inside Corporate America's Social Justice Scam, and his 2022 follow-up, Nation of Victims: Identity Politics, the Death of Merit, and the Path Back to Excellence.

    The views expressed in Ramaswamy's books led the New Yorker to dub him as the "CEO of Anti-Woke, Inc." They also piqued the curiosity of Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who has since made Ramaswamy a regular guest on his show.

    Speaking with Carlson during his campaign announcement, Ramaswamy got riled up discussing so-called "alternative religions" in America — wokeness, affirmative action and environmentalism — that he credits with destroying American culture.

    "We need to take the most sacred cows of these alternative secular religions and, I'm sorry to say this, take them to the slaughter house," he said...............

     

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