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    Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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    Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
    He won convincingly.
    Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
    Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
    In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
    Here is an interesting article on this topic...
    www.scotsman.com

    Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

    Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.
    www.scotsman.com www.scotsman.com
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    What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?
     
    MT15 said:
    Steve, I do feel for you. But you have to realize if people weren’t turned off by Trump lying about election results and trying to stay in power any way he could - even by illegal means - they aren’t going to abandon him now. It’s a personality cult.
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    Yet more on this topic...
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    www.yahoo.com

    2024 poll: DeSantis slides as Trump surges to 1st head-to-head lead in months

    A new Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows that after trailing for the last three months, former President Donald Trump has suddenly surged to a substantial lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in a two-man matchup for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination.
    www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    Yet more on this topic...
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    www.yahoo.com

    2024 poll: DeSantis slides as Trump surges to 1st head-to-head lead in months

    A new Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows that after trailing for the last three months, former President Donald Trump has suddenly surged to a substantial lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in a two-man matchup for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination.
    www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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    I try to tell myself that polls have been notoriously unreliable, and as Trump goes out more in public he will turn off anyone not in the cult. Basically, I’m whistling past the graveyard.
     
    He is basically Trump without the charisma and showmanship, lol.
     
    DaveXA said:
    This isn't surprising. The more people learn about DeSantis...well this is what you get.
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    I think DeSantis needs to declare.
    N. Haley said she is running for President but DeSantis has not.
    He should "go all in".
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    I think DeSantis needs to declare.
    N. Haley said she is running for President but DeSantis has not.
    He should "go all in".
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    I saw on the news today that according to FL law he can’t declare his candidacy for federal office as long as he is serving his term. So he is traveling to Iowa, NH, SC, etc. and campaigning, just without declaring. They also said the legislature will probably soon repeal that law for him, but anyway, that could be a big reason he hasn’t yet declared.

    FL residents get to pay him to sell his book and campaign, I imagine they’re happy about that.
     
    MT15 said:
    I saw on the news today that according to FL law he can’t declare his candidacy for federal office as long as he is serving his term. So he is traveling to Iowa, NH, SC, etc. and campaigning, just without declaring. They also said the legislature will probably soon repeal that law for him, but anyway, that could be a big reason he hasn’t yet declared.

    FL residents get to pay him to sell his book and campaign, I imagine they’re happy about that.
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    Here is something to add...
    thehill.com

    DeSantis lays out timeline for 2024 decision

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) hinted on Monday that he will make a decision on a 2024 presidential run after the state’s legislative session wraps up in May, giving the clearest timeline yet of whe…
    thehill.com thehill.com
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    www.politico.com

    Florida Legislature poised to change law to aid a DeSantis presidential run

    While DeSantis has not yet said he will definitely run in 2024, he has emerged as a top potential contender for the job.
    www.politico.com www.politico.com
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    There was an interview on CNN awhile back, don’t remember who but she basically said, “everyone loves Ron desantis until they get to know Ron desantis”
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    Well that's a fun quote but why do people like Trump once they get to know him?
    How could Trump be looked upon as more likeable than DeSantis? :unsure:
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    Well that's a fun quote but why do people like Trump once they get to know him?
    How could Trump be looked upon as more likeable than DeSantis? :unsure:
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    I think some people like Trump because he is them. And a lot of people share his worldview. Then there are that other group who vote R no matter how terrible the candidate is, which is a substantial number. And Trump is no stranger to most people who have been paying attention over the years. DeSantis doesn't have anywhere close to that name recognition and a lot of people who learn about him aren't too impressed with him.
     
    SteveSBrickNJ said:
    Well that's a fun quote but why do people like Trump once they get to know him?
    How could Trump be looked upon as more likeable than DeSantis? :unsure:
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    Almost no one knows Trump.

    What they think they know is actually the mask his NPD wears almost 24/7.

    Those who spend enough time around him to have seen what's behind that act despise him. (See: Trump, Melania)

    But it's a well-polished mask that seldom ever slips.
     
    Fox News has imposed a “soft ban” on Donald Trump appearing on the channel, his inner circle is reportedly complaining, even as the broadcaster extends a warm invitation to other Republican hopefuls in next year’s presidential election.

    The news startup Semafor reports that the cooling of relations between the former president and his once-beloved cable news channel has gone so far that a “soft ban” or “silent ban” is now holding Trump at arm’s length. The former US president has not made a weekday showing on Fox News since he chatted with his closest friend among the network’s star hosts, Sean Hannity, in September.

    Meanwhile, Trump’s rivals for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination are currently frequent guests on Fox. Media Matters for America, a watchdog that keeps a close eye on the network’s output, has counted seven weekday appearances by the former governor of South Carolina Nikki Haley since she launched her presidential bid last month.

    Even the lesser known right-wing activist and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, who threw his hat into the ring last week, has appeared four times on Fox. Florida’s rightwing governor, Ron DeSantis, who is widely expected to compete with Trump though he has yet to declare, is also repeatedly seen on the network.

    Semafor said it based its story on information supplied by four members of Trump’s circle. It quoted an unnamed individual “close to Trump” saying: “Everyone knows that there’s this ‘soft ban’ or ‘silent ban’. It’s certainly – however you want to say, quiet ban, soft ban, whatever it is – indicative of how the Murdochs feel about Trump in this particular moment.”……

    www.theguardian.com

    Fox News reportedly imposes ‘soft ban’ on Donald Trump

    The former president has not made a weekday showing on the channel since appearing on Sean Hannity’s show in September
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
    It’s worth remembering that most Republican voters didn’t back Donald Trump in the race for the party’s nomination in 2016.

    Trump came away with something like 45% of the vote in the Republican primaries; though the field had by then shrunk to just three candidates – Trump, John Kasich, and Ted Cruz – polls showed Trump struggling to hit 50% support among Republicans as late as early April of that year.

    Most explanations for his victory justifiably center around his political style and the rise of the rightwing populism we’ve come to call Trumpism ⁠– though it significantly predated Trump ⁠– among a growing share of Republicans.

    But as a practical matter, Trump won the Republican nomination in 2016 for a very simple reason: he built and kept a large minority of incredibly loyal supporters within the party, while the majority of Republican voters, who would have preferred another candidate, split their votes among too many alternatives.

    Had they united behind one candidate early enough in the race, Trump may well have lost. Instead, they divided themselves into defeat.

    Once Trump was nominee, the vast majority of Republicans ⁠– voters, politicians, and major donors alike ⁠– dutifully set aside whatever reservations they had and backed him, even as his campaign was hit by increasingly grotesque scandals.

    And today, Trump, battered as he might seem, is both a former president and a demigod even to many Republicans who were wary of him in his first run.

    Barring dramatic, unexpected events ⁠– which, in fairness, are always a possibility with Trump ⁠– he’ll go into next year’s primary contests as an even more broadly popular and respected figure than he was in 2016, when his favorability among Republicans seldom cracked 60%.

    Unlike that race’s ramshackle operation, Trump will also have a large working infrastructure of competent operatives – and state and local Republican officials across the country who back him this time around. All told, Trump should, by all rights, be even more difficult for his Republican rivals to beat next year than he was seven years ago.

    And that makes it all the more remarkable that the Republican elites and donors who’ve soured on him ⁠– believing, correctly, that Trump is a weak and weakening general-election candidate ⁠– seem poised to make the very same mistake that delivered him the nomination last time…………

    The fact that the candidates thus far seem unwilling to run against Trump’s actual record in office doesn’t help matters.

    According to Scott, the Trump administration produced “the most pro-worker, pro-family economy” of his lifetime ⁠– a sentiment that makes it hard to understand what the substantive argument against another Trump term is supposed to be.

    The obvious knock on him is that he was defeated in 2020 ⁠– but the conservative base isn’t going to want to hear that their preferences hurt the party, and many Republicans still don’t believe Trump really lost the election in the first place.

    That leaves Trump’s opponents wobbling on a tricky tightrope: trying to temper their criticisms of him and glom onto his appeal without encouraging Republican voters to consider backing the original, genuine article.

    Trump, for his part, is sticking to the considerably simpler task of being Donald Trump. He managed to beat both President Biden and Pete Buttigieg, the transportation secretary, to the scene of the East Palestine rail disaster, and used the free media attention he remains good at attracting to deliver a familiar message.

    “This is really America right here,” he told the town’s conservative white working-class residents in a brief statement. “Unfortunately, as you know, in too many cases, your goodness and perseverance were met with indifference and betrayal.”……

    www.theguardian.com

    Trump has a better shot at the Republican nomination than people realize | Osita Nwanevu

    In some ways, Trump may be even more difficult for his Republican rivals to beat next year than he was seven years ago
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
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    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is going after some of his fellow Republicans for not doing more to fight against so-called “wokeness.”

    “If woke ideology takes over, it will destroy this country. We are not going to let that happen in the state of Florida,” DeSantis, 44, said during a speech before top GOP donors in Florida on Thursday, as reported by outlets including CNN and Fox News.

    “Some of these Republicans, they just sit back like potted plants, and they let the media define the terms of the debate,” he added in his speech before the conservative group Club for Growth. “They let the left define the terms of the debate.”

    DeSantis, who many believe will enter the 2024 presidential race, added that the best way to defeat said-wokeness is to attack it. “The best defense is a good offense,” he said.......

     

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