2024 GOP Presidential Race (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[Optimus Prime]

One recent snowy evening at a gun range in the middle of Michigan, the police showed up at a meeting of the Saginaw County Republican Party that unraveled into a shouting match — the latest flare-up in a power struggle between loyalists to Donald Trump and people like Josiah Jaster.

The 20-year-old insurance actuary, dressed up in a coat and tie, had been working with allies to elect a less Trump-centric slate of delegates to the upcoming state convention. By the end of the night, they had won 36 out of 37 spots, wresting some influence back from the die-hard pro-Trump crowd who had claimed party leadership positions last fall. Both camps tipped off the police that the meeting could get heated — and it did — but officers made no arrests and mainly watched from the back of the room where some of Jaster’s opponents stewed.

“I and a lot of other Republicans who were supportive of President Trump are becoming less and less supportive,” Jaster said. “Not because I’m a ‘Never Trumper.’ I just don’t believe Trump is the best person to move this party forward.”

That distinction is reshaping the Republican base as the 2024 presidential primary kicks off. The MAGA vs. RINO dichotomy that defined the GOP for much of the last eight years is increasingly obsolete. In its place, a new dynamic emerged from interviews with more than 150 Trump supporters across five pivotal electoral states. In between Republicans who remain firmly committed or opposed to the former president, there’s now a broad range of Trump supporters who, however much they still like him, aren’t sure they want him as the party’s next nominee.

The foremost reason is electability. Even Republicans who said they still supported Trump and believed his false claims that the 2020 election was stolen acknowledged doubts on whether he could defeat President Biden or another Democrat in 2024. “They’ve put so much doubt and mistrust in the people’s minds that he might have a hard time winning,” said Mark Goodman, a retired FedEx driver who lives in Chattahoochee Hills, Ga., and remains a staunch supporter.

It’s not the first time that Trump supporters have admitted their misgivings. But during his presidency, the only choices were to be with him or against him, so they stuck with him.

Now there is a new option — a way to still support Trump as the 45th president without being sold on him as the party’s best shot at becoming the 47th. Not anti-Trump, or even non-Trump — just post-Trump. That’s how 70 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents could have a favorable view of Trump in a Marquette Law School poll last month, while the same survey found Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) beating him 64 percent to 36 percent in a hypothetical one-on-one matchup...........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/23/trump-support-declining-2024-election/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F39341f4%2F63f79b121b79c61f87a4cbb1%2F59813061ae7e8a6816fb1940%2F8%2F72%2F63f79b121b79c61f87a4cbb1&wp_cu=f59d95843d1b8569d5feb9225743f8ec%7C42E730F6C5F01223E0530100007F1ADF

 

[Optimus Prime]

I always thought Stephen Colbert was much harsher
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Donald Trump was so furious at Jimmy Kimmel’s mockery of him, he wanted to censor the late night show host after just one year into his presidency, according to a report.

The former president directed his White House staff to call one of Disney’s top executives to pressure Kimmel to dial back on anti-Tump humour in 2018, two former Trump administration officials told the Rolling Stones.

The “severity of Mr Trump’s fury” was conveyed in at least two separate phone calls to executives of Disney, owner of ABC which airs Jimmy Kimmel Live!, it said.

A former Trump official said Mr Trump felt the talk show host had been “very dishonest and doing things that [Trump] would have once sued over” in his jokes about him.

“I do not know to who[m], but it happened. Nobody thought it was going to change anything but DJT was focused on it so we had to do something…It was doing something, mostly, to say to [Trump], ‘Hey, we did this,’” another official said……

Trump tried to get Jimmy Kimmel censored in 2018, report says

Trump found Kimmel’s jokes ‘dishonest’ and was ‘furious’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

Trump would sign this and promptly ignore it if he lost the primary and claim he would honor it if he lost fair and square but he didn’t so he won’t
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GOP chairwoman Ronna McDaniel made clear on Sunday that her party may enforce a planned “loyalty pledge” meant to ensure that all Republican candidates for president eventually end up supporting the party’s nominee.

It was a clear warning shot at Donald Trump, who many have privately fretted would not support any Republican who successfuly broke his hold on the GOP and claimed the party’s 2024 nomination for themselves. Some had speculated that Mr Trump would form his own political party if Republicans rejected his third bid for the presidency…..

GOP chair says party may try to force Trump to back GOP nominee even if it’s not him

Party will require ‘loyalty pledge’ to attend debates

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Taurus]

Trump would sign this and promptly ignore it if he lost the primary and claim he would honor it if he lost fair and square but he didn’t so he won’t
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GOP chairwoman Ronna McDaniel made clear on Sunday that her party may enforce a planned “loyalty pledge” meant to ensure that all Republican candidates for president eventually end up supporting the party’s nominee.

It was a clear warning shot at Donald Trump, who many have privately fretted would not support any Republican who successfuly broke his hold on the GOP and claimed the party’s 2024 nomination for themselves. Some had speculated that Mr Trump would form his own political party if Republicans rejected his third bid for the presidency…..

GOP chair says party may try to force Trump to back GOP nominee even if it’s not him

Party will require ‘loyalty pledge’ to attend debates

www.independent.co.uk

I love that headline.

Force him? With what? A gun to the head?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

So apparently Trump’s trip to East Palestine to hand out 13 year old bottled water and talk about himself was “stunning” - primary over.

Your move Ronny D.

I have to admit it myself: it was a stroke of genius whoever told Trump to go there and act mildly Presidential while Biden was in Ukraine. Not saying Biden wasn't right to be in Ukraine but it's great optics for Trump.

 

[MT15]

I always thought Stephen Colbert was much harsher
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Donald Trump was so furious at Jimmy Kimmel’s mockery of him, he wanted to censor the late night show host after just one year into his presidency, according to a report.

The former president directed his White House staff to call one of Disney’s top executives to pressure Kimmel to dial back on anti-Tump humour in 2018, two former Trump administration officials told the Rolling Stones.

The “severity of Mr Trump’s fury” was conveyed in at least two separate phone calls to executives of Disney, owner of ABC which airs Jimmy Kimmel Live!, it said.

A former Trump official said Mr Trump felt the talk show host had been “very dishonest and doing things that [Trump] would have once sued over” in his jokes about him.

“I do not know to who[m], but it happened. Nobody thought it was going to change anything but DJT was focused on it so we had to do something…It was doing something, mostly, to say to [Trump], ‘Hey, we did this,’” another official said……

Trump tried to get Jimmy Kimmel censored in 2018, report says

Trump found Kimmel’s jokes ‘dishonest’ and was ‘furious’

www.independent.co.uk

Wait a dang minute: here is a real example of the Government trying to stifle free speech?

Oh, and this is from the same article:

“It was not the first time it has emerged that Mr Trump ordered a crackdown on those criticising him. In 2018, Ajit Pai, former chair of the Federal Communications Commission, said the agency was investigating a joke made about Mr Trump and Vladimir Putin’s relations by Late Showhost Stephen Colbert. The FCC eventually declined to move forward with the case.”

So, Trump actually ordered the FCC to investigate Colbert?

Yeah. Let’s have more faux outrage over the stupid “Twitter files” though.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I love that headline.

Force him? With what? A gun to the head?

not being able to attend any debates

 

[Optimus Prime]

Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis abolished Walt Disney World's special authority on Monday, nearly 11 months after the company spoke out publicly against his controversial education agenda.

The new law, which gives the governor more power over Disney World, locks in a legislative win for DeSantis, who is expected to mount a 2024 presidential run in the months ahead.

The DeSantis-Disney battle marked one of the most prominent examples of how DeSantis has used the power of state government to overrule corporations and local entities, breaking with stated political philosophies of other conservatives.

The governor retaliated against the family-favorite resort and theme park, which is also the largest private employer in the state, after the company publicly pledged to work toward repealing a law employees and LGBTQ rights advocates called "Don't Say Gay."

"Today, the corporate kingdom finally comes to an end," DeSantis said during a press conference on Monday, held at a fire station on Disney property. "There's a new sheriff in town, and accountability will be the order of the day."

DeSantis also his new nominations for the board. They include Bridget Ziegler, who co-founded the conservative Moms for Liberty and is wife to Christian Ziegler, the new chair of Republican Party of Florida. He made lawyer Martin Garcia of Tampa, whose private investment firm contributed to DeSantis' election, the new chair............

DeSantis strips Disney World of its self-governing power in Florida: 'There's a new sheriff in town'

 

[bdb13]

I have to admit it myself: it was a stroke of genius whoever told Trump to go there and act mildly Presidential while Biden was in Ukraine. Not saying Biden wasn't right to be in Ukraine but it's great optics for Trump.

Trump has pretty good instincts for this stuff when he's not obsessing over the crazy bullshirt.

 

[coldseat]

Trump has pretty good instincts for this stuff when he's not obsessing over the crazy bullshirt.

That actually happens? You're telling me he didn't bring up "the biggest fraud in American History" while he was visiting a train derailment he can do nothing about.

I'm very different than the people who thought it was a good move on his part. It just looked like pathetic pandering at the worst time to me. But then again, everything he does looks that way. Those where "his voters" though, so they may love that stuff.

 

[bdb13]

That actually happens? You're telling me he didn't bring up "the biggest fraud in American History" while he was visiting a train derailment he can do nothing about.

I'm very different than the people who thought it was a good move on his part. It just looked like pathetic pandering at the worst time to me. But then again, everything he does looks that way. Those where "his voters" though, so they may love that stuff.

Lol I'm sure he brought it up.

He doesn't actually give a shirt and he's obviously full of shirt to anyone with half a working brain and not an extreme partisan.. and I don't actually think this thing itself was anything particularly brilliant.. but yeah he's good at honing in on what his type of people will like and for them here he gets to make it look like he cares more about the situation than does Biden.

 

[superchuck500]

Trump has pretty good instincts for this stuff when he's not obsessing over the crazy bullshirt.

The problem with Trump is that we all know who he is, 100%. He went to East Palestine for Trump. He handed out Trump water and talked about Trump.

We know that he is literally incapable of feeling empathy for anyone and everything he does is purely in his own self-interest. He was critical about the Biden response (of course he was) but he said absolutely nothing about railroad safety and preventing similar accidents.

To me it was just Trump being Trump trying to score Trump points - for Trump. The people there were just props.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Thus far, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) has handled former president Donald Trump’s barbs like pretty much every other Republican does: largely by ignoring them outright, and at other times responding in an oblique way, so as not to poke the bear (and the bear’s supporters). And his new book is light on anything that could be considered critical of Trump.


But the Trump-DeSantis battle is brewing. Indeed, assuming DeSantis actually runs, the race between them is set up like few others before, in a way that practically demands that kind of direct confrontation.


That’s true for a few reasons.

One is that, historically speaking, the two candidates are performing unusually well at this early stage of the presidential race, as the New York Times’s Nate Cohn notes. The share of the vote each of them garners in early polling (DeSantis around 30 percent and Trump around 40 percent) is commensurate with a strong majority of eventual presidential nominees in the modern era.


For all the derision aimed at early polling — and with the caveat that it’s not completely predictive (see: Rudy Giuliani 2008) — it has proven a very good indicator of where nomination battles wind up. And both candidates have reached that threshold.


The practical implication of all that: Right now, it’s a two-candidate race with little modern precedent.
The second reason is that there is a ton of overlap between their bases of support.


A Fox News poll released Sunday gets at this dynamic. It shows Trump leading DeSantis 43 percent to 28 percent in a crowded field. But it went a step further than most polls, in that it asked whom people’s second choice was.

And for both Trump and DeSantis, the other was the leading second choice for their voters — 42 percent of DeSantis-first voters went for Trump second, and 34 percent of Trump-first voters went for DeSantis second.


So nearly 6 in 10 voters made Trump either their first or second choice, and a slight majority did the same for DeSantis. In each case, more than two-thirds of their second-choice voters are picking the other guy first.


That means not only are they each other’s biggest competition for the nomination; they’re also cannibalizing each other’s potential bases of support, in a way that reinforces the utility of knocking the other guy down a few pegs. If either of them sinks the other, the victor’s path to the nomination would basically be clear — at least as things stand…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/27/desantis-trump-inevitable/

 

[Taurus]

Thus far, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) has handled former president Donald Trump’s barbs like pretty much every other Republican does: largely by ignoring them outright, and at other times responding in an oblique way, so as not to poke the bear (and the bear’s supporters). And his new book is light on anything that could be considered critical of Trump.


But the Trump-DeSantis battle is brewing. Indeed, assuming DeSantis actually runs, the race between them is set up like few others before, in a way that practically demands that kind of direct confrontation.


That’s true for a few reasons.

One is that, historically speaking, the two candidates are performing unusually well at this early stage of the presidential race, as the New York Times’s Nate Cohn notes. The share of the vote each of them garners in early polling (DeSantis around 30 percent and Trump around 40 percent) is commensurate with a strong majority of eventual presidential nominees in the modern era.


For all the derision aimed at early polling — and with the caveat that it’s not completely predictive (see: Rudy Giuliani 2008) — it has proven a very good indicator of where nomination battles wind up. And both candidates have reached that threshold.


The practical implication of all that: Right now, it’s a two-candidate race with little modern precedent.
The second reason is that there is a ton of overlap between their bases of support.


A Fox News poll released Sunday gets at this dynamic. It shows Trump leading DeSantis 43 percent to 28 percent in a crowded field. But it went a step further than most polls, in that it asked whom people’s second choice was.

And for both Trump and DeSantis, the other was the leading second choice for their voters — 42 percent of DeSantis-first voters went for Trump second, and 34 percent of Trump-first voters went for DeSantis second.


So nearly 6 in 10 voters made Trump either their first or second choice, and a slight majority did the same for DeSantis. In each case, more than two-thirds of their second-choice voters are picking the other guy first.


That means not only are they each other’s biggest competition for the nomination; they’re also cannibalizing each other’s potential bases of support, in a way that reinforces the utility of knocking the other guy down a few pegs. If either of them sinks the other, the victor’s path to the nomination would basically be clear — at least as things stand…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/27/desantis-trump-inevitable/

And the corporate media will breathlessly follow every tweet, every veiled barb, every childish outburst to the exclusion of all else.
A Democrat could set himself on fire while eating a baby live on stage and fail to break Page 7.
The Right will whine about the "liberal media" being mean to their candidates (and yes, nearly all the coverage will be negative) while ignoring that their guys are getting nearly all the coverage.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Thus far, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) has handled former president Donald Trump’s barbs like pretty much every other Republican does: largely by ignoring them outright, and at other times responding in an oblique way, so as not to poke the bear (and the bear’s supporters). And his new book is light on anything that could be considered critical of Trump.


But the Trump-DeSantis battle is brewing. Indeed, assuming DeSantis actually runs, the race between them is set up like few others before, in a way that practically demands that kind of direct confrontation.


That’s true for a few reasons.

One is that, historically speaking, the two candidates are performing unusually well at this early stage of the presidential race, as the New York Times’s Nate Cohn notes. The share of the vote each of them garners in early polling (DeSantis around 30 percent and Trump around 40 percent) is commensurate with a strong majority of eventual presidential nominees in the modern era.


For all the derision aimed at early polling — and with the caveat that it’s not completely predictive (see: Rudy Giuliani 2008) — it has proven a very good indicator of where nomination battles wind up. And both candidates have reached that threshold.


The practical implication of all that: Right now, it’s a two-candidate race with little modern precedent.
The second reason is that there is a ton of overlap between their bases of support.


A Fox News poll released Sunday gets at this dynamic. It shows Trump leading DeSantis 43 percent to 28 percent in a crowded field. But it went a step further than most polls, in that it asked whom people’s second choice was.

And for both Trump and DeSantis, the other was the leading second choice for their voters — 42 percent of DeSantis-first voters went for Trump second, and 34 percent of Trump-first voters went for DeSantis second.


So nearly 6 in 10 voters made Trump either their first or second choice, and a slight majority did the same for DeSantis. In each case, more than two-thirds of their second-choice voters are picking the other guy first.


That means not only are they each other’s biggest competition for the nomination; they’re also cannibalizing each other’s potential bases of support, in a way that reinforces the utility of knocking the other guy down a few pegs. If either of them sinks the other, the victor’s path to the nomination would basically be clear — at least as things stand…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/27/desantis-trump-inevitable/

Great post. Possibly many people who were polled are just familiar with Trump and DeSantis. After a few future primaries maybe someone else will pop up on their radar?

 

[Optimus Prime]

For what it’s worth
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Brian Kilmeade co-hosted Tuesday’s episode of Fox & Friends from a diner in Ponte Verde, Florida. Just before going to break, he held an unscientific but still revealing poll of diners’ favorite candidates in 2024.

“All right. 2024, who is pumped up for the election?” Kilmeade asked the attendees of the Metro Diner. “Rapid fire. Who is your man? Who is your woman?”

The first six respondents ALL cited former President Donald Trump as their preferred candidate, though two added South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem as a running mate to Trump, and two mentioned former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley also as a Vice Presidential candidate to Trump.

“So far, a lot of Donald Trump,” Kilmeade noted before finding a woman wearing a shirt emblazoned with the name of the Florida Governor. “I see Governor Desantis; what about President Desantis?” he asked of the woman.

“Oh, gosh, I don’t know,” she replied. “Trump or Desantis, either/or.”

It is very early in the 2024 race for the White House, but many pundits see a two-horse race emerging for the GOP nomination between Trump and DeSantis. While recent polls show Trump leading DeSantis by 15 points, the customers at the Metro Diner in Ponte Verde have a much clearer idea of who they want to run in 2024.............

MSN

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

For what it’s worth
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Brian Kilmeade co-hosted Tuesday’s episode of Fox & Friends from a diner in Ponte Verde, Florida. Just before going to break, he held an unscientific but still revealing poll of diners’ favorite candidates in 2024.

“All right. 2024, who is pumped up for the election?” Kilmeade asked the attendees of the Metro Diner. “Rapid fire. Who is your man? Who is your woman?”

The first six respondents ALL cited former President Donald Trump as their preferred candidate, though two added South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem as a running mate to Trump, and two mentioned former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley also as a Vice Presidential candidate to Trump.

“So far, a lot of Donald Trump,” Kilmeade noted before finding a woman wearing a shirt emblazoned with the name of the Florida Governor. “I see Governor Desantis; what about President Desantis?” he asked of the woman.

“Oh, gosh, I don’t know,” she replied. “Trump or Desantis, either/or.”

It is very early in the 2024 race for the White House, but many pundits see a two-horse race emerging for the GOP nomination between Trump and DeSantis. While recent polls show Trump leading DeSantis by 15 points, the customers at the Metro Diner in Ponte Verde have a much clearer idea of who they want to run in 2024.............

MSN

This Fox News story about people preferring Trump is so depressing for me.
Additionally, below my post is a Real Clear Politics Poll.
Results on this link don't make me feel any better
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/2024_republican_presidential_nomination-7548.html

 

[MT15]

Steve, I do feel for you. But you have to realize if people weren’t turned off by Trump lying about election results and trying to stay in power any way he could - even by illegal means - they aren’t going to abandon him now. It’s a personality cult.