2024 GOP Presidential Race (4 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[J-DONK]

God isn’t pro-life.

Supply-side Jesus mentioned abortion multiple times look it up, son.

 

[MT15]

 

[efil4]

I disagree. I am accountable to God for my vote. I am not voting for a Pro Choice Candidate and I am not voting for Trump....thus this means IF Trump was the nominee I would either stay home (which I do NOT want to do) or go out and vote for the third party candidate that came the closest to my views.

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Yet I expect DeSantis to be the nominee and I expect to vote for him.

Arent you an educator? a teacher? Am i remembering correctly?

 

[DaveXA]

That's just typical Ann Coulter. Anyone shocked by this hasn't been paying attention.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Life begins at conception
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Life at conception only begins if God brings it into being (God's permissive will)
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God stated : Thou shalt not kill
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Thus if God has started a life in the woman's womb and that woman chooses an abortion...she is choosing an abortion because if she doesn't do so she knows she will give birth to a baby.
In God's permissive will a little human being is developing but she puts an end to that.
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All the posts on this thread to the contrary will not change my mind.

 

[coldseat]

Life begins at conception
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Life at conception only begins if God brings it into being (God's permissive will)
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God stated : Thou shalt not kill
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Thus if God has started a life in the woman's womb and that woman chooses an abortion...she is choosing an abortion because if she doesn't do so she knows she will give birth to a baby.
In God's permissive will a little human being is developing but she puts an end to that.
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All the posts on this thread to the contrary will not change my mind.

None of that really explains why YOUR beliefs should dictate or rule another persons life. And make no mistake, you are imposing your moral beliefs on another person without their consent, full stop.

 

[brandon]

Life at conception only begins if God brings it into being (God's permissive will)

Sperm and Egg are very much alive. Why does life not begin there, you masturbatory genocidal maniac?

God stated : Thou shalt not kill

Got any thoughts on gun control?

Thus if God has started a life in the woman's womb and that woman chooses an abortion...she is choosing an abortion because if she doesn't do so she knows she will give birth to a baby.
In God's permissive will a little human being is developing but she puts an end to that.

What about when God specifically requires an abortion?

Ordeal of the bitter water - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All the posts on this thread to the contrary will not change my mind.

One-issue voters are sad.

 

[MT15]

That's just typical Ann Coulter. Anyone shocked by this hasn't been paying attention.

Yeah, the only newsworthy thing is the juxtaposition between Haley’s stupid assertion that there’s no racism in America and this shrew’s screed telling a native born American citizen to go back to her own country.

 

[Saintamaniac]

Life begins at conception

While I can respect that this is your belief, it is a concept that is not found in any version of the bible in existence. I'm not trying to change your mind or your beliefs. I'm just saying I don't want people making laws or making medical decisions based on their beliefs as if to say that all other beliefs are invalid or wrong.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

None of that really explains why YOUR beliefs should dictate or rule another persons life. And make no mistake, you are imposing your moral beliefs on another person without their consent, full stop.

While I can respect that this is your belief, it is a concept that is not found in any version of the bible in existence. I'm not trying to change your mind or your beliefs. I'm just saying I don't want people making laws or making medical decisions based on their beliefs as if to say that all other beliefs are invalid or wrong.

Well thank you @Saintamaniac for your respectful post.
Additionally In response to previous poster...and springboarding off your post:
I...Steve from NJ...I am NOT imposing my beliefs on anyone.
Posters here asked me to explain myself....ONLY BECAUSE THEY asked me to explain myself I have attempted to do so.
Yet in my job or out and about in my community I am NOT preaching or trying to get people to believe what I believe.
There IS scripture that says I SHOULD be doing that....but in all honesty I am not.
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....and I would like to be done on this topic please.
Thank you.

 

[MT15]

Well thank you @Saintamaniac for your respectful post.
Additionally In response to previous poster...and springboarding off your post:
I...Steve from NJ...I am NOT imposing my beliefs on anyone.
Posters here asked me to explain myself....ONLY BECAUSE THEY asked to explain myself I have attempted to do so.
Yet in my job or out and about in my community I am NOT preaching or trying to get people to believe what I believe.
There IS scripture that says I SHOULD be doing that....but in all honesty I am not.
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....and I would like to be done on this topic please.
Thank you.

Well, your vote is the way you are imposing your religion on others. You cannot have it both ways, and I sincerely do not mean any disrespect.

When you vote for people who promise to outlaw abortion, it’s not honest to then turn around and claim you have no part in forcing others to live by your personal religious beliefs.

 

[efil4]

While I can respect that this is your belief, it is a concept that is not found in any version of the bible in existence. I'm not trying to change your mind or your beliefs. I'm just saying I don't want people making laws or making medical decisions based on their beliefs as if to say that all other beliefs are invalid or wrong.

its found in science ( biology )

the same science that the religious will decry when......


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Its tiresome.


i dont care either way what a person believes to assuage their own psyche about our origins/existence in the universe. I do care when, as stated above, that someone votes a certain way BECAUSE of their religious beliefs but then claims that they arent "forcing" their beliefs upon another.

Yes. Yes you are.

 

[MT15]

Well thank you @Saintamaniac for your respectful post.
Additionally In response to previous poster...and springboarding off your post:
I...Steve from NJ...I am NOT imposing my beliefs on anyone.
Posters here asked me to explain myself....ONLY BECAUSE THEY asked me to explain myself I have attempted to do so.
Yet in my job or out and about in my community I am NOT preaching or trying to get people to believe what I believe.
There IS scripture that says I SHOULD be doing that....but in all honesty I am not.
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....and I would like to be done on this topic please.
Thank you.

This is what abortion bans do to women. All women, any woman can be affected, nor necessarily only those who seek abortions. If there was a nationwide ban this woman would have had to wait until she became septic enough to qualify as her life being in danger. We shouldn’t allow government or religion endanger women’s’ health in this way.

 

[Taurus]

This is what abortion bans do to women. All women, any woman can be affected, nor necessarily only those who seek abortions. If there was a nationwide ban this woman would have had to wait until she became septic enough to qualify as her life being in danger. We shouldn’t allow government or religion endanger women’s’ health in this way.

I can just hear the self-righteous "Christians" saying that she didn't believe strongly enough and if she had, Simone would've magically gotten better, so really it's her own fault. Also, she's a murderous whore for getting an abortion.

 

[MT15]

Or that if she had died from a preventable complication of her pregnancy - that it was “God’s will” that she die.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Or that if she had died from a preventable complication of her pregnancy - that it was “God’s will” that she die.

Reminds me of MASH, when Duke is complaining about Frank Burns to Col. Blake. "Every time a patient dies, it's God's will or someone else's fault."

 

[Optimus Prime]

If there’s one word Floridians have heard plenty of since their Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, was sworn in for a second term last month, it is “freedom”. The rightwing politician, expected by many to seek his party’s 2024 presidential nomination, sprinkles the word freely as he ramps up the “anti-woke” crusade he believes can propel him to the White House.

It turns out, following a special legislative session last week that handed DeSantis victory after victory in his culture wars against Disney, transgender communities, students, migrants and communities of color, the person with the greatest freedom in Florida to do exactly as he pleases is the governor himself.

In November, voters granted DeSantis’s wish of a veto-proof Republican supermajority in the state legislature. In a five-day session, those politicians validated every one of his demands.

They granted DeSantis total control of the board governing Disney, the theme park giant with whom he feuded over his anti-LGBTQ+ “don’t say gay” law.

They gave him permission to fly migrants from anywhere in the US to destinations of his choosing, for political purposes, then send the bill to Florida’s taxpayers.

And they handed unprecedented prosecutorial powers to his newly created, hand-picked office of election “integrity”, pursuing supposed cases of voter fraud.

The special session is over but DeSantis’s devotion to seeking retribution against those who disagree with him is not.

Last week, after a backlash, the Florida High School Athletic Association backed away from forcing female students to chronicle their menstrual histories on medical forms, a requirement seen by many as a thinly-veiled attempt to keep transgender athletes out of girls’ sports.

Exactly one week later, a Republican House committee proposed allowing DeSantis to turf out those who made the decision and replace themwith his own appointments.

It’s a familiar playbook: the Disney legislation allows the governor to supplant sitting officials on its governing tax authority with his own picks; his “hostile takeover” of the liberal New College of Florida last month was accomplished by swamping its board of trustees with hand-picked allies and conservative Christians.

In what critics say was a particularly petty act earlier this month, DeSantis moved to strip the liquor license from the non-profit Orlando Philharmonic Plaza Foundation because it hosted a drag show, which some children attended with parents……..

How Florida’s Republican supermajority handed Ron DeSantis unfettered power

The governor – expected to mount a 2024 White House bid – is ramping up an extremist crusade

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]