2024 GOP Presidential Race (1 Viewer)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[superchuck500]

Haley’s pitch: I can win the popular vote.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

That's how you feel.
I disagree.....but...
Whatever. It's not important. I'm going outside for 5th grade recess. It's a beautiful day here in NJ.
Have a nice day.

And when given a chance to discuss why you disagree, you completely dodge it.

 

[samiam5211]

So, if you are a big DeSantis supporter, and hate Trump, please explain how they differ. What policies does DeSantis hold that Trump eschews? I would maintain this is a difference without a distinction. DeSantis is basically Trump just not quite so obviously crazy, IMO.

BTW, Joe Walsh is no democrat and he’s hardly a liberal in any way.

DeSantis not being quite so crazy would be a perfectly acceptable response for me.

 

[bdb13]

DeSantis not being quite so crazy would be a perfectly acceptable response for me.

That is the answer because most Republicans like Trump on policy even if they dislike the way he conducted himself.

Most Republicans will like DeSantis on policy and aren't going to have a problem with the things the Democrats have a problem with. It's just how it is.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley has long rejected the idea that the U.S. is a racist country. But when it came time to announce her 2024 candidacy for president on Tuesday, she began by sharing her identity — and a memory of her hometown.

“The railroad tracks divided the town by race,” she said of Bamberg, South Carolina. “I was the proud daughter of Indian immigrants. Not Black, not white, I was different.”

Haley’s announcement makes her the first Republican opponent of former President Donald Trump, whose administration she spent two years in as ambassador to the United Nations.

But if Haley, born Nimrata Randhawa to Sikh Punjabi parents, is trying to make inroads with Indian Americans, experts say it’s not working.

She doesn’t represent the community, said Varun Nikore, executive director of the AAPI Victory Alliance, a nonprofit representing Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders. In fact, Nikore said, “there’s a multitude of issues where she specifically and the Republican Party are diametrically opposed to where AAPIs are.”

Haley did not respond to NBC News’ request for comment.

Some South Asians say Haley’s on-and-off acknowledgment of her ethnic background is a routine they’re familiar with. Nikore, who has followed Haley’s career since the beginning, says her use of her racial identity often goes hand-in-hand with perpetuating the model minority myth, taking anti-immigration stances and opposing comprehensive education about race in the U.S.

“I think people can see through her much better now than ever before,” Nikore said. “So she can try to talk about her immigrant background, I think it’s going to fall flat.”

ut as Asian Americans become more politically active, 2024 presidential candidates across the board will be looking their way, he said.

“Our level of political sophistication has grown by leaps and bounds,” Nikore said. “And that is evidenced by turnout rates and by level of civic engagement at the local level all the way to the top.”

According to the 2022 Asian American voter survey, only 15 percent of Indian American voters are decidedly Republican. Fifty-six percent are Democrat, and 19 percent are independent. Nikore says he sees Haley’s appeal to some older, first generation Indian Americans, but he doesn’t foresee the community as a whole getting behind her.

One South Asian and Democratic commentator agreed. “I think I speak for a whole lot of people in saying that Nikki Haley’s values are not the values of the Indian American community,” Kaivan Shroff tweeted. “She is a deeply cynical and unkind person. Her candidacy is not the kind of representation we should celebrate.”.............

Nikki Haley’s campaign opened with an appeal to race. Some Indian Americans say it won’t work.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

DeSantis not being quite so crazy would be a perfectly acceptable response for me.

DeSantis is generally mature. He doesn't assign demeaning names to people. etc. etc.
He is not like Trump.

 

[superchuck500]

DeSantis is generally mature. He doesn't assign demeaning names to people. etc. etc.
He is not like Trump.

Rounding-up immigrants in Texas and dropping them off in Martha’s Vineyard is not mature. Vetoing funding for a facility associated with the Tampa Bay Rays because the team made a tweet about gun violence is not mature. Trying to end Disney’s preferential development district because the company opposed the Don’t Say Gay law is not mature.

We have gone over other examples in the past of why he is not a serious, mature leader - he is far more like a Central American strong man than a policy-driven conservative like Reagan. If Ron had already been staking positions on those activities, it could be defended but he wasn’t. He’s a childish leader who reacts to criticism by trying to bring the powers at his disposal to punish those offenders . . . even if it is harmful to his constituents.

He may have some other attributes, but when it comes to “maturity” as an executive leader, it’s pretty absurd to argue that he fits the bill. Okay, so he doesn’t use schoolyard nicknames (which I agree Trump does because he’s a child) - he does all sorts of less than mature things. He bullied a high school kid into taking his mask off. Ha

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Rounding-up immigrants in Texas and dropping them off in Martha’s Vineyard is not mature. Vetoing funding for a facility associated with the Tampa Bay Rays because the team made a tweet about gun violence is not mature. Trying to end Disney’s preferential development district because the company opposed the Don’t Say Gay law is not mature.

We have gone over other examples in the past of why he is not a serious, mature leader - he is far more like a Central American strong man than a policy-driven conservative like Reagan. If Ron had already been staking positions on those activities, it could be defended but he wasn’t. He’s a childish leader who reacts to criticism by trying to bring the powers at his disposal to punish those offenders . . . even if it is harmful to his constituents.

He may have some other attributes, but when it comes to “maturity” as an executive leader, it’s pretty absurd to argue that he fits the bill. Okay, so he doesn’t use schoolyard nicknames (which I agree Trump does because he’s a child) - he does all sorts of less than mature things. He bullied a high school kid into taking his mask off. Ha

To clarify, I guess my point is that he generally (99% of the time)presents himself as he speaks in public in a dignified tone. Trump makes faces and does tweets and call people demeaning names and etc. etc.
I don't see that from DeSantis.
People in power do favor those who he or she agrees with and often their are real life consequences for those who don't. If something a governor does is wrong....well that's why we have a free press....and elections.
I like him so what you are bothered by does not bother me. Most of it I probably am totally unaware of. I just seek the positive stuff and disregard the negative stuff.....LOL...that makes me immature.
Oh well.

.......and......
I don't care if Texas's governor or Florida's governor round up illegal immigrants and bring them to cities that declare they are welcoming to those folks. You site that as a lack of maturity. I on the other hand thought it was just two governors trying to make a point....and that point WAS made.

 

[Optimus Prime]

he isn't as uncouth, boorish or childish as Trump (although for some that is the exact appeal of Trump)

years ago there was article talking about Trump 2.0 which, basically was a younger, more politically savvy, less unhinged version of Donald Trump

DeSantis fits that mold

What a lot of republicans don't like about Trump isn't his ignoring political, presidential (and societal) norms, not the race baiting, not his policies or the chaos he unleashed, it's the name callings, it's the barrage of late night tweets

It seems even the people turning on Trump now ( I still think they'll be back), isn't because of Jan 6th or saying the election was stolen, they believe that it was, it's mostly that he won't shut up about it

DeSantis is a more restrained Trump

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

he isn't as uncouth, boorish or childish as Trump (although for some that is the exact appeal of Trump)

years ago there was article talking about Trump 2.0 which, basically was a younger, more politically savvy, less unhinged version of Donald Trump

DeSantis fits that mold

What a lot of republicans don't like about Trump isn't his ignoring political, presidential (and societal) norms, not the race baiting, not his policies or the chaos he unleashed, it's the name callings, it's the barrage of late night tweets

It seems even the people turning on Trump now ( I still think they'll be back), isn't because of Jan 6th or saying the election was stolen, they believe that it was, it's mostly that he won't shut up about it

DeSantis is a more restrained Trump

All valid points.
Thank you.
Sometimes I also make valid points but I never recall you ever pointing out my valid points.
Forgive me if I'm wrong.

 

[samiam5211]

DeSantis is generally mature. He doesn't assign demeaning names to people. etc. etc.
He is not like Trump.

He's not as crazy as Trump, which is mostly due to DeSantis not being as confident as Trump. I wouldn't say he's mature.

I would still take him over Trump any day, just because I don't think he could motivate people to storm the capital even if he wanted to.

 

[MT15]

DeSantis is generally mature. He doesn't assign demeaning names to people. etc. etc.
He is not like Trump.

Read this please. He’s just as corrupt as Trump. Maybe more so.

 

[MT15]

DeSantis not being quite so crazy would be a perfectly acceptable response for me.

I don’t know, he’s not as obviously mentally ill but I think he’s just as corrupt, unethical and egotistic. One could argue he’s worse than Trump because he’s not as stupid and obvious with his personality disorders.

Anyone who sets out to deliberately lie to vulnerable people who are seeking asylum (who BTW have followed the rules as they currently exist) and buses them hundreds of miles away from their destination, and doesn’t make sure they are fed, or have water or even warm enough clothing. Who purposefully makes sure that nobody knows they’re coming so as to maximize their discomfort, and then drops them off and leaves them after dark in a strange place. Well, that person is unwell. The abject cruelty, the use of vulnerable people as political pawns, including small children and pregnancy women, is sick.

 

[MT15]

To clarify, I guess my point is that he generally (99% of the time)presents himself as he speaks in public in a dignified tone. Trump makes faces and does tweets and call people demeaning names and etc. etc.
I don't see that from DeSantis.
People in power do favor those who he or she agrees with and often their are real life consequences for those who don't. If something a governor does is wrong....well that's why we have a free press....and elections.
I like him so what you are bothered by does not bother me. Most of it I probably am totally unaware of. I just seek the positive stuff and disregard the negative stuff.....LOL...that makes me immature.
Oh well.

.......and......
I don't care if Texas's governor or Florida's governor round up illegal immigrants and bring them to cities that declare they are welcoming to those folks. You site that as a lack of maturity. I on the other hand thought it was just two governors trying to make a point....and that point WAS made.

It doesn’t make you immature but it does give an indication that you aren’t serious about your vote. That you are casting your vote as a gesture to hurt people who don’t agree with you. Because that is basically all that DeSantis does. Carry out political grievances.

You also mention that you expect the free press to hold DeSantis accountable if he does something wrong and then admit you ignore it when the press reports on his corruption and cronyism.

Can you see why you get pushback?

 

[samiam5211]

I don’t know, he’s not as obviously mentally ill but I think he’s just as corrupt, unethical and egotistic. One could argue he’s worse than Trump because he’s not as stupid and obvious with his personality disorders.

Yea, but he's the type of bad person our system is used to dealing with.

Trump having all of those things and being batshit crazy almost brought the whole thing crashing down.

Right now, i think the options are DeSantis or Trump for the Republicans, so i don't want to discouraging people from at least making the right choice between those two.

I would love for Liz Cheney to make a run. I think that there is enough time between now and when the votes are cast for her to do way better than people would expect right now.

The are serious problems going on right now that don't involve drag queens and gay books in school. If by 2024 it's clear the next president is going to be a war president, then I think most Republicans are going to want a Cheney to manage that. If war is inevitable, then being accused of being a warmonger isn't a weakness, it's a strength.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

It doesn’t make you immature but it does give an indication that you aren’t serious about your vote. That you are casting your vote as a gesture to hurt people who don’t agree with you. Because that is basically all that DeSantis does. Carry out political grievances.

You also mention that you expect the free press to hold DeSantis accountable if he does something wrong and then admit you ignore it when the press reports on his corruption and cronyism.

Can you see why you get pushback?

Yes. I can see how I am such a frustrating person.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

To clarify, I guess my point is that he generally (99% of the time)presents himself as he speaks in public in a dignified tone. Trump makes faces and does tweets and call people demeaning names and etc. etc.
I don't see that from DeSantis.
People in power do favor those who he or she agrees with and often their are real life consequences for those who don't. If something a governor does is wrong....well that's why we have a free press....and elections.
I like him so what you are bothered by does not bother me. Most of it I probably am totally unaware of. I just seek the positive stuff and disregard the negative stuff.....LOL...that makes me immature.
Oh well.

.......and......
I don't care if Texas's governor or Florida's governor round up illegal immigrants and bring them to cities that declare they are welcoming to those folks. You site that as a lack of maturity. I on the other hand thought it was just two governors trying to make a point....and that point WAS made.

It doesn't make you immature. It makes you a willfully ignorant hypocrite. You can cite the free press as an important check on the governor's office and then freely admit that you ignore the press, but that doesn't mean nobody can comment on the fact that it makes you an ignorant (for willfully ignoring anything negative) hypocrite (for claiming the negative press you ignore is so important for accountability).