2024 GOP Presidential Race (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Many of Trump's endorsed candidates did not do well on Nov. 8th.
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Gov. Ron DeSantis DID do well.
He won convincingly.
Yet in this OP's opinion, Donald Trump is an egomaniac who is seemingly incapable of putting "Party over Self"
Trump has ZERO chance of being elected our next president.
In my opinion, if Trump would just shut up and go away (fat chance of that)...but "if" Trump did that, Gov. Ron DeSantis would have a CHANCE to be a formidable candidate for President in 2024.
Here is an interesting article on this topic...

Donald Trump warns Ron DeSantis against 2024 presidential bid as Republican rising star wins big

Donald Trump has warned Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis against running for president in 2024, saying doing so would harm the Republican Party.

www.scotsman.com

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What do any of you think re. Trump vs DeSantis?

 

[efil4]

Former vice president Mike Pence’s 2024 campaign has accumulated $620,000 in debt, a signal of financial troubles as Pence has struggled to gain traction in the Republican primary.

The campaign said it had raised $3.3 million in the third quarter of this year, with $1.2 million available for use, according to early numbers provided before federal filings are made public Sunday.

Pence gave $150,000 of his own money to his campaign, an aide said.


The campaign declined to provide more details or comment about the unpaid bills. NBC News first reported the campaign’s numbers……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/15/pence-campaign-mounting-debt/

And HE wants to make decisions for the entire US? A guy who ignores that his campaign is a total failure, puts $150,000 of his own money into?

Unless its a "loan with 10% interest " he should be disqualified today. lol

 

[LA - L.A.]

No evidence?

There are a lot of polls with a lot of contradictory results right now and polls this far out from the election are useless.

The early signs with Obama were that Democratic party leadership starting talking about him and embracing him as a future of the party.

Has anyone in Republican leadership been talking about Haley as a future of the party and embracing her as such?

No candidate wins a primary without major endorsements and support from the top party leadership. One of the reasons Trump is going to win the nomination is because the current Republican leadership will not challenge him and will continue to support him.

I never said Haley won't get any traction and doesn't have any chance at all. What I said is that there are no signs she's going to have a chance. Most voters vote how current leadership tells them to vote. No one can win against Trump without most of the most influential Republic leaders endorsing someone who isn't Trump. There is no signs they will do that.

If they wait until another candidate gains some attention and does well in some of the early primary states, it will be too late. That's just how it works, because that's how the majority of voters work.

All of that is working against Haley, when you factor in that she's a non-white woman and that a significant block of Republican loathe both non-whites and women, it's highly unlikely she wins the nomination. If she starts gaining traction that's going to motivate more voters who don't like non-whites and women to get out a vote against her.

Your perfect storm scenario for her is a double edged sword that you haven't factored for.

 

[MT15]

There are a lot of polls with a lot of contradictory results right now and polls this far out from the election are useless.

The early signs with Obama were that Democratic party leadership starting talking about him and embracing him as a future of the party.

Has anyone in Republican leadership been talking about Haley as a future of the party and embracing her as such?

No candidate wins a primary without major endorsements and support from the top party leadership. One of the reason Trump is going to win the nomination is because the current Republican leadership will not challenge him and will continue to support him.

Agreed. Look no further than the US House is getting ready to elect Jim Jordan Speaker () against their better judgement and against their Oaths of Office just because Trump wants him in there.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

There are a lot of polls with a lot of contradictory results right now and polls this far out from the election are useless.

The early signs with Obama were that Democratic party leadership starting talking about him and embracing him as a future of the party.

Has anyone in Republican leadership been talking about Haley as a future of the party and embracing her as such?

No candidate wins a primary without major endorsements and support from the top party leadership. One of the reasons Trump is going to win the nomination is because the current Republican leadership will not challenge him and will continue to support him.

I never said Haley won't get any traction and doesn't have any chance at all. What I said is that there are no signs she's going to have a chance. Most voters vote how current leadership tells them to vote. No one can win against Trump without most of the most influential Republic leaders endorsing someone who isn't Trump. There is no signs they will do that.

If they wait until another candidate gains some attention and does well in some of the early primary states, it will be too late. That's just how it works, because that's how the majority of voters work.

Why will it be too late?
There are many people wanting an alternative to Trump.
They are just hoping and waiting for one candidate to emerge as that alternative.
Then MANY will gleefully jump on that person's bandwagon.

 

[MT15]

Why will it be too late?
There are many people wanting an alternative to Trump.
They are just hoping and waiting for one candidate to emerge as that alternative.
Then MANY will glreefully jump on that person's bandwagon.

I really really hope you are right, but I don’t think it will be Haley. And I have my doubts that enough Rs really want an alternative. I almost wish all the networks would carry his rants live now. Tonight he was going on about flies - he didn’t know they have flies in Iowa, and how they told him they’re not allowed to buy flypaper any longer because of animal cruelty laws. How does anyone listen to him and think he should be in charge of anything?

 

[MT15]

He is sooo close to getting it. Yes, Donald, it will take putting you in jail to save our democracy. And even that might not do it. So, Donald, is it a deal?

 

[Optimus Prime]

CRESTON, Iowa — Ron DeSantis jabbed at Donald Trump several times by name in his stump speech here, pointing out that the former president’s border wall is unfinished and promising to fire the FBI director Trump kept in place.


“Trump views everything through the lens of him,” the Florida governor said later in his Saturday swing through Iowa, reacting to the former president’s fresh tirade against Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds (R).


A day earlier, campaigning in New Hampshire, DeSantis told reporters that Trump had changed since 2016.

“It’s sad to see,” he declared.
Trailing Trump by huge margins in the GOP presidential primary and running out of time to close the gap, DeSantis has taken an increasingly aggressive approach to his top rival.

For months, wary of alienating Trump’s loyal base, DeSantis criticized the former president only when asked and took subtler swings in his stump speeches.

But his comments over the past week underscore a shift in posture this fall, with DeSantis routinely knocking Trump by name and sometimes broaching his character.


DeSantis has always pitched himself to voters as a more effective, disciplined version of Trump — an heir to his agenda who is more likely to follow through, less toxic to swing voters and undistracted by personal drama.

Now he’s making that case more forcefully and seizing new opportunities to hit Trump as they arise, blasting the former president’s comments of the day on issues ranging from the Israel-Gaza war to six-week abortion bans.


It’s not clear the blunter approach will make a difference for DeSantis, who has fallen far behind Trump since launching his campaign in a more competitive standing and is now

fighting for a distant second place with rivals. Polling and focus groups have repeatedly found that most attacks don’t work on Trump and can even backfire as voters who like the former president react defensively……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/17/desantis-trump-attacks/

 

[Optimus Prime]

A super PAC supporting Sen. Tim Scott’s White House bid told donors that it plans to cut fall ad buys, a sign of the stagnation in the 2024 GOP race as Donald Trump maintains a dominant lead less than 100 days before the Iowa caucuses.


In a memo to donors, Rob Collins, co-chair of the Trust in the Mission PAC, wrote: “We aren’t going to waste our money when the electorate isn’t focused or ready for a Trump alternative. We have done the research. We have studied the focus groups. We have been following Tim on the trail. This electorate is locked up and money spent on mass media isn’t going to change minds until we get a lot closer to voting."


Collins added that the super PAC will continue to “fully fund our grassroots door knocking, conduit fundraising, event hosting, and earned media efforts."

The dramatic move to pull back on ad spending is an acknowledgment of the South Carolina Republican’s struggle to build a viable base of support in the race. Scott, the only Black Republican in the Senate, is running on a message of hope and optimism as well as his life story.


But despite his cash advantage over rivals to Trump — entering the race with $22 million from his Senate campaign — and the millions he has spent on ads, the senator has yet to break through……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/16/tim-scott-super-pac-cancels-fall-ad-buys/

 

[fooferdoggie]

He is sooo close to getting it. Yes, Donald, it will take putting you in jail to save our democracy. And even that might not do it. So, Donald, is it a deal?

god them plead duty for the good of the country.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Optimus Prime]

Nikki Haley is increasingly threatening to supplant Ron DeSantis as the principal GOP presidential rival to Donald Trump, escalating frictions between the two candidates that are playing out before voters on the campaign trail and behind closed doors with wealthy donors.


While DeSantis held an advantage over other non-Trump candidates for much of the year, his support has eroded and Haley’s has climbed, according to interviews with voters, strategists and a review of early state polling, putting them in a contentious battle for a distant second place.

Their teams circled one another at a recent private donor summit in Dallas, where they charted their respective paths before potential financial backers — many of whom have been skeptical about the ability of either to beat the former president.


In the past few days, in the midst of the war between Israel and Hamas, the two candidates have tussled over their contrasting positions, both past and present, on U.S. policy in the Middle East and how to help refugees fleeing war-torn regions.

DeSantis courted voters Thursday in Haley’s home state of South Carolina, where she is leading him in the polls, before they crossed paths Friday in Iowa, where the Florida governor is anchoring his candidacy and has built a much larger footprint.


The intensifying competition was evident in Iowa, where some voters said they had moved to Haley from DeSantis and the two appeared at a multicandidate event. Both focused on foreign policy, avoiding direct shots at each other in their remarks.

Haley’s campaign on Friday released a video labeling him “desperate” for attacking her, and when asked by a voter about her stance on accepting refugees from the Middle East at a town hall in Pella on Saturday she used the opportunity to criticize DeSantis…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2023/10/21/haley-desantis-trump-presidential-race/

 

[UriUT]

Saw these news a few days ago of just how pathetic desantis is trying to stay relevant. Likely using Florida tax payer dimes.

DeSantis’ Israel rescue operation left Americans stranded on Cyprus

The CEO of an organization that partnered on the flights said the state was “in a rush” to help DeSantis score political points.

www.tampabay.com

State level sanctioning? Is that even permissible?

DeSantis will call Florida lawmakers back to Capitol to impose new sanctions on Iran - WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Presidential candidate and Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis will bring lawmakers back to Tallahassee for a special session to impose additional<a class="excerpt-read-more"...

wsvn.com

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ran-with-special-florida-legislative-session/

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Saw these news a few days ago of just how pathetic desantis is trying to stay relevant. Likely using Florida tax payer dimes.

DeSantis’ Israel rescue operation left Americans stranded on Cyprus

The CEO of an organization that partnered on the flights said the state was “in a rush” to help DeSantis score political points.

www.tampabay.com

State level sanctioning? Is that even permissable?

DeSantis will call Florida lawmakers back to Capitol to impose new sanctions on Iran - WSVN 7News | Miami News, Weather, Sports | Fort Lauderdale

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — Presidential candidate and Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis will bring lawmakers back to Tallahassee for a special session to impose additional<a class="excerpt-read-more"...

wsvn.com

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ran-with-special-florida-legislative-session/

Off the top of my head, I'm gonna say HELL NO! Governors authority ends at their state's border and POTUS is the only entity that can make any foreign policy. This is just plain STUPIDITY.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A key broadcasting partner for the next Republican presidential debate permits and even promotes political extremism, false conspiracy theories and misogyny on its site, according to observers of media and extremism and a Guardian review of content on online video platform Rumble.

The Guardian’s survey of Rumble revealed dozens of accounts posting content including Holocaust denial, pro-Nazi and pro-Hitler advocacy, white nationalism, and content from banned creators like white nationalist Nick Fuentes.

The RNC announced last week that Rumble will be the exclusive livestreamer for the event, which will be attended by all main Republican presidential candidates apart from Donald Trump. The Republican Jewish Coalition are co-sponsoring the debate, while NBC will be televising it.

Whereas YouTube has acted – albeit inconsistently – to ban creators involved in extremism, hate speech or violence away from their YouTube channels, Rumble has rarely done so, despite terms of service that ostensibly ban “any message which is abusive, inciting violence, harassing, harmful, hateful, anti-semitic, racist or threatening”.

“If you’re coming to Rumble, you’re coming there for stuff that has been banned from other platforms,” said Megan Squire, the deputy director for data analytics and Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) at the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

Squire added: “Rumble offers a refuge to extremists banned elsewhere.” Squire said this is evident not only in the uploaded content it tolerates, but in “the difference in how Rumble handles behavior off the platform”.……

Revealed: Republican debate broadcast partner fueled by misogyny and extremism

Holocaust-denying, pro-Nazi and white nationalism content posted on Rumble, exclusive livestreamer for November debate

www.theguardian.com

 

[SFIDC3]

A key broadcasting partner for the next Republican presidential debate permits and even promotes political extremism, false conspiracy theories and misogyny on its site, according to observers of media and extremism and a Guardian review of content on online video platform Rumble.

The Guardian’s survey of Rumble revealed dozens of accounts posting content including Holocaust denial, pro-Nazi and pro-Hitler advocacy, white nationalism, and content from banned creators like white nationalist Nick Fuentes.

The RNC announced last week that Rumble will be the exclusive livestreamer for the event, which will be attended by all main Republican presidential candidates apart from Donald Trump. The Republican Jewish Coalition are co-sponsoring the debate, while NBC will be televising it.

Whereas YouTube has acted – albeit inconsistently – to ban creators involved in extremism, hate speech or violence away from their YouTube channels, Rumble has rarely done so, despite terms of service that ostensibly ban “any message which is abusive, inciting violence, harassing, harmful, hateful, anti-semitic, racist or threatening”.

“If you’re coming to Rumble, you’re coming there for stuff that has been banned from other platforms,” said Megan Squire, the deputy director for data analytics and Open Source Intelligence (OSINT) at the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

Squire added: “Rumble offers a refuge to extremists banned elsewhere.” Squire said this is evident not only in the uploaded content it tolerates, but in “the difference in how Rumble handles behavior off the platform”.……

Revealed: Republican debate broadcast partner fueled by misogyny and extremism

Holocaust-denying, pro-Nazi and white nationalism content posted on Rumble, exclusive livestreamer for November debate

www.theguardian.com

Elon Musk acquires Rumble in 3...2....1......

 

[Optimus Prime]

Former UN ambassador Nikki Haley has surged nationally in a new USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll, challenging a faltering Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis as the top alternative to Donald Trump for the GOP presidential nomination.

Haley's support has risen to 11% of registered voters who plan to vote in GOP primaries or caucuses, up from 4% in the USA TODAY/Suffolk poll taken in June and just 1 percentage point below DeSantis. His 12% standing was a steep fall from his 23% support four months ago.

Trump continues to dominate the field, backed by 58%, up 10 points.

The survey of 309 Republican and Republican-leaning voters, taken Tuesday through Friday by landline and cellphone, has a margin of error of plus or minus 5.6 percentage points.............

Exclusive poll: Nikki Haley surges, nearly ties Ron DeSantis as the alternative to Trump

Haley's support has surged to 11% and DeSantis' plunged to 12% since June, the USA TODAY/Suffolk Poll finds. But Trump still dominates.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I'm too lazy to look it up but I'm sure some of y'all know from memory. about what percentage was Trump at in 2015 at this point?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Florida state Rep. Randy Fine was once Gov. Ron DeSantis’s Jewish outreach chair. He backed the governor’s legislative priorities. And he endorsed him for the Republican presidential nomination.


But, on Tuesday, Fine, the sole Jewish GOP lawmaker in the state’s legislature, announced he was switching his support to former president Donald Trump, accusing DeSantis of not doing enough to combat antisemitism in Florida in the wake of the Israel-Hamas war.

Fine argued that Trump could better serve the Jewish community in Florida, citing the final straw in his concerns came after DeSantis didn’t respond to a letter asking him to address anti-Israel protests on college campuses since Hamas’s attack on Oct. 7.


Fine, who penned a Washington Times opinion piece laying out his reasoning for backing Trump, told The Washington Post that he has had other conversations with Jewish leaders in Florida who have felt dissatisfaction with DeSantis after recent incidents with white supremacy groups targeting Jewish people in Florida.

“The Nazis are very disturbing and unsettling,” Fine said, “but they’re nowhere near as threatening as Hamas. And so things have just taken on a whole new level of seriousness since Oct. 7.”


Fine also claimed Trump has done more for Israel than any previous president, highlighting his decision to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.

Trump faced widespread criticism from Democrats and Republicans — including DeSantis, Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), and former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley — after he referred to Hezbollah militants as “very smart” and criticized Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Fine, however, said Trump’s comments were misconstrued for political gain and should not be considered praising the militant group…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/24/randy-fine-desantis-ally-endorses-trump/