General Election 2024 Biden vs Trump (7 Viewers)

Heathen said:

It’s not about not believing that these groups won’t turn up to vote.

It’s about seeing that many people who aren’t already planning to vote for team red or blue could be enticed to vote for someone (Trump) they feel is a stronger candidate.

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I'm ridin with Biden.

Democrats better get their act together and either a)stick with Biden or b)make a change. No matter the decision, all the in-fighting and bickering has to stop. Get behind the candidate and fully support him/her. No wavering. There's too much at stake.

A lot of us are understandably nervous because we want to believe a candidate like Trump should be getting trounced in polling. A combination of his popularity, and other people tolerating him, remains high enough that with our electoral college system, he has a strong chance of winning every time he runs. Not enough people are rejecting him.

Biden has been a capable president but he’s a weak candidate. He has always been perceived that way on the national stage. He’s a throwback to an era that decorum always matters (one side has since completely rejected that) and he’s not a rousing speaker or otherwise able to inspire. Now age is catching up with him and I sense for many people, he doesn’t project enough toughness for this fight. I have those concerns.

We’re mostly having one dimensional policy discussions in this country where we acknowledge the bigotry and dangers of Project 2025 without giving consideration to what Biden has done and the alternatives he is running on. Too many people can’t get past his age and flaws. A shift towards policy is the only thing I can see saving his campaign. Democrats aren’t doing nearly enough to lead and guide the discourse.

I regard polling with some level of skepticism but I think it’s risky to just outright dismiss any importance. Biden’s performance is feeding negative perceptions and there is a harm in that.

I’m still unconvinced about alternate paths for reasons that have been discussed. I think the infighting is doing considerable damage to our efforts and prospects, that we might not recover from. Self-inflicted harm. We are spending so much time criticizing our own candidate rather than collectively organizing to defeat the rise of fascism. We’ve lost the plot.

Incumbent said:

A lot of us are understandably nervous because we want to believe a candidate like Trump should be getting trounced in polling. A combination of his popularity, and other people tolerating him, remains high enough that with our electoral college system, he has a strong chance of winning every time he runs. Not enough people are rejecting him.

Biden has been a capable president but he’s a weak candidate. He has always been perceived that way on the national stage. He’s a throwback to an era that decorum always matters (one side has since completely rejected that) and he’s not a rousing speaker or otherwise able to inspire. Now age is catching up with him and I sense for many people, he doesn’t project enough toughness for this fight. I have those concerns.

We’re mostly having one dimensional policy discussions in this country where we acknowledge the bigotry and dangers of Project 2025 without giving consideration to what Biden has done and the alternatives he is running on. Too many people can’t get past his age and flaws. A shift towards policy is the only thing I can see saving his campaign. Democrats aren’t doing nearly enough to lead and guide the discourse.

I regard polling with some level of skepticism but I think it’s risky to just outright dismiss any importance. Biden’s performance is feeding negative perceptions and there is a harm in that.

I’m still unconvinced about alternate paths for reasons that have been discussed. I think the infighting is doing considerable damage to our efforts and prospects, that we might not recover from. Self-inflicted harm. We are spending so much time criticizing our own candidate rather than collectively organizing to defeat the rise of fascism. We’ve lost the plot.

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I don't think Biden is weak.

And decorum always matters.

SamAndreas said:

You've said absolutely everything you need to say. So take a moment to relax.

Would it help to know that we as Americans have gone through this before, and we made the right choice once to correct it, we will likely make that same right choice again.

Almost exactly 100 years ago we were in almost exactly the same place we are now, we encountered the same problems and solved it then, I think we'll do it again. If you really looked close to history you might be able to find that this has come up over and over again in cyclic pattern all through history.

So many points of comparison are almost identical to 100 years ago, looks like now.

Watch this, and while watching this consider that both then and now, we had just gotten through a panepidicimic.

In 1918 it was worse for them, than Covid was for us in 2019. But they were comparable events in history, and now after the epidemic the times we are in are relatively the same place were were 100 years ago.



In the 1020's the KKK did to America about what MAGA is doing to us now.

Watch this video about the KKK taking over Colorado in the 1920's, see it that doesn't sound familiar to here and now?

The Colorado experience, KKK. MAGA now is somewhat like the KKK back then. It's an unstable political position, they will come and go, but they never will be stable, they will never last. They will never drive old dixie down:

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Thanks!

Great post and information. I will add those videos to my watch list. There isn't a lot of TV time due to the 7 month old baby, but I will get around to it eventually.

SamAndreas said:

I don't think Biden is weak.

And decorum always matters.

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I know you don’t and I don’t care about it to the extent some others do, but I have some growing concerns.

I don’t think Biden should have apologized for using the term bullseye and I don’t think Democrats should even entertain the notion they have done anything wrong in calling out the threats that Trump poses.

Right now I see a campaign and a party that are on defense and that isn’t going to win. And I think against a candidate like Trump, decorum starts to look like weakness. Biden is at his best when he projects confidence in what we are fighting against, not appeasing silly one-sided media narratives.

Bayouboy said:

Democrats better get their act together and either a)stick with Biden or b)make a change. No matter the decision, all the in-fighting and bickering has to stop. Get behind the candidate and fully support him/her. No wavering. There's too much at stake.

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I agree. And to be clear, I think the infighting going on amongst democratic voters is completely valid and understandable considering what’s at stake. Some people are saying there’s no issue, some people are saying there are massive issues, some are in between…but id say the vast majority if democratic voters will vote Biden or whoever the candidate is in November. No question.

The real issue of infighting as it has any real effect on this election, and this is just my opinion, is amongst Democratic politicians who’s questioning or calling out other people or whatever is much more impactful than what a few Joe and Jane schmo’s on a message board say.

It’s never been about a “dump Biden” crowd. I might have the opinion that we need to in order to have a candidate best suited to beat Trump in November, but I’m also not going to not vote for Biden if he’s the guy when the election rolls around. Rest assured for those getting antsy, most others probably won’t act differently.

Once more; i believe that it’s not the PEOPLE that are the problem here, if there’s a problem to be had as it relates to election chances. I would direct that anger to our representatives.

Former President Donald Trump has threatened a federal takeover of Washington, D.C., if he wins a second term in November.

Mayor Muriel Bowser is taking those threats seriously and preparing for how the District could be affected by a Trump win.

Any president of the United States has enormous power when it comes to D.C. because it's not a state. The president can take over the police department and many of the powers the mayor and D.C. Council have.

There are concerns that a second Trump administration, particularly with a Republican-controlled House and Senate, could affect local laws on everything from abortion to traffic cameras.

Multiple sources tell News4 that Bowser's team is bracing for all those possibilities and more.

Trump has already made D.C. – which has overwhelming voted for Democrats – a target in his reelection campaign. The most recent of those remarks came last week in Florida.

"We will take over the horribly run capital of our nation in Washington, D.C., and clean it up, renovate it and rebuild our capital city so there is no longer a nightmare of murder and crime," Trump said. "But, rather, it will become the most beautiful capital anywhere in the world. Right now, if you leave Florida – let's go, darling. Let's look at the Jefferson Memorial, let's look at the Washington Monument. Let's go and look at some of the beautiful scenes, and you end up getting shot, mugged, raped."

"We're going to take over our capital, and we're going to run it tough and smart, and we're going to beautify it," Trump continued. "We're going to get all the graffiti off the marble. We're going to fix the roads and the median, which are falling down all over the streets. We're going to make our capital beautiful again."

While the Jefferson Memorial and other monuments have been targeted with graffiti in the past, according to D.C. police data, there have been no rapes, muggings or shootings at the memorial in the past few years.

"And we will take over the horribly run capital of our nation, horribly run," Trump said. "We have a capital that we all love. Right now it's a rat-infested, graffiti-infested, and we're going to take it away from the mayor. And again, that doesn't make me popular there, but I have to say it.".................

Incumbent said:

I know you don’t and I don’t care about it to the extent some others do, but I have some growing concerns.

I don’t think Biden should have apologized for using the term bullseye and I don’t think Democrats should even entertain the notion they have done anything wrong in calling out the threats that Trump poses.

Right now I see a campaign and a party that are on defense and that isn’t going to win. And I think against a candidate like Trump, decorum starts to look like weakness. Biden is at his best when he projects confidence in what we are fighting against, not appeasing silly one-sided media narratives.

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I think it's powerful to apologize when others are voicing their concerns, even if they are concern trolls doing that voicing. And they are concern trolls. They're incapable of apologizing for using the "in the crosshairs" analogy, which is much worse than "bullseye." .

Biden shows us he's notch above the others through this.

Men tend to mansplain, and so often fail to offer apology when they've been "wrong". Biden used coarse expression during that phone call, and he was "wrong" to have done that.

By in large Biden spoke for the largest majority of voters in America by offering that apology for his coarse expression.

It's been my overall experience that when men can apologize when they've been "wrong," that most women take notice and approve in large measure.

Why a feller can get himself kissed on the lips doing it that way.

If this doesn't scare people, I don't know what is. Joe is not only his worse enemy. He's turning into the party's as well...






Vulnerable in traditionally blue states is not good. This is Hillary running all over again and the DNC turning a blind eye to the fact that the election is likely lost.

GrandAdmiral said:

If this doesn't scare people, I don't know what is. Joe is not only his worse enemy. He's turning into the party's as well...

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Vulnerable in traditionally blue states is not good. This is Hillary running all over again and the DNC turning a blind eye to the fact that the election is likely lost.

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Speak for yourself, you're not speaking for me, or for Biden, when you say Biden is becoming his own, and or the party's worst enemy.

SamAndreas said:

Speak for yourself, you're not speaking for me, or for Biden, when you say Biden is becoming his own, and or the party's worst enemy.

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And more to the point you are not supporting that party you are attempting to speak for.

SamAndreas said:

I think it's powerful to apologize when others are voicing their concerns, even if they are concern trolls doing that voicing. And they are concern trolls. They're incapable of apologizing for using the "in the crosshairs" analogy, which is much worse than "bullseye." .

Biden shows us he's notch above the others through this.

Men tend to mansplain, and so often fail to offer apology when they've been "wrong". Biden used coarse expression during that phone call, and he was "wrong" to have done that.

By in large Biden spoke for the largest majority of voters in America by offering that apology for his coarse expression.

It's been my overall experience that when men can apologize when they've been "wrong," that most women take notice and approve in large measure.

Why a feller can get himself kissed on the lips doing it that way.

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I believe in apologizing when you’ve done wrong. I don’t believe Biden’s use of the word bullseye was wrong.

Respect is also earned when people stand up for themselves and others. I would have preferred Biden simply pivot the conversation back to the real aggressors who are constantly engaged in actual violent rhetoric.

Our disagreement noted, my bigger concern is that the campaign and the party are spending too much time infighting and reacting to the other side and the media, and not nearly enough time promoting why they are the right option for most Americans.

SamAndreas said:

Speak for yourself, you're not speaking for me, or for Biden, when you say Biden is becoming his own, and or the party's worst enemy.

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SamAndreas said:

And more to the point you are not supporting that party you are attempting to speak for.

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You are more than Trumpish, you're MAGA. To the ignore list you go.

Incumbent said:

I believe in apologizing when you’ve done wrong. I don’t believe Biden’s use of the word bullseye was wrong.

Respect is also earned when people stand up for themselves and others. I would have preferred Biden simply pivot the conversation back to the real aggressors who are constantly engaged in actual violent rhetoric.

Our disagreement noted, my bigger concern is that the campaign and the party are spending too much time infighting and reacting to the other side and the media, and not nearly enough time promoting why they are the right option for most Americans.

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I sure do agree with you about that last part.

You might consider why Biden took a few seconds to apologize, it was so he could drop that, and then in the next breath pivot to promoting the things you think need to be promoted. A good use of a few seconds.

SaintForLife said:

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O'mm, thanks for telling us all about what they're saying down at Romney Campaign Central.