General Election 2024 Biden vs Trump (2 Viewers)

SaintForLife said:

And yet Trump leads Biden on who voters trust on the handling of the economy in polls.

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Yes. A lot of voters are stupid or uninformed and don't know basic facts, like yourself. I already knew that, that's why I'm informing you. Take the information and do what you will with it (I assume you'll ignore it).

SaintForLife said:

And yet Trump leads Biden on who voters trust on the handling of the economy in polls.

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Trump leads in voter's trust in some polls, Biden leads in voter's trust in other polls.

The polls across the entire planet have been very unreliable indicators of how people actually are voting. Polls are useless. Referring to polls to prove a point is useless.

bird said:

In the discussion we were having about lying it is important to be accurate. Imo, the more accurate term is belief. Feelings tend to the superficial. So does belief but belief also dives much deeper. It is far harder to change the mind of someone who says that they “believe” something than to change the mind of someone who likes something.

As for Biden? If the problem is abortion I understand it. I may not agree but I understand. That being said pro-life doesn’t ends at birth. A social safety net that helps parents and children is pro-life. Cutting spending for families and children is not pro-life. Not expanding Medicaid is not pro-life. The RW as a whole is not pro-life. They are anti-abortion which is their right. The RW claiming to be pro-life is intellectually dishonest.

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i would say over 90% of people who consider themselves pro-life are really just anti abortion. They honestly cannot care less about the child once its born. they are the ones who want to get rid of as many socail programs as possible that benefit the childeren.
People like SFL doesn't understand that there are a lot more people than he thinks that don't approve of abortion but are Pro-Choice. When put on ballots to protect the choice, it wins over the bans. they do not want this choice in the hands of the voting public..

SaintForLife said:

And yet Trump leads Biden on who voters trust on the handling of the economy in polls.

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me thinks you have missed some polling. but get this trump offers everything to voters just like god.

PARIS — President Biden, who at 81 is a couple of decades younger than many of the veterans he honored during Thursday’s D-Day commemoration in Normandy, nonetheless found his age and fitness in the spotlight as selectively edited clips of him circulated online to paint the picture of a physically and mentally challenged commander in chief.

The 80th anniversary of D-Day quickly became the latest example of the fast spread of politically damaging manipulated videos, highlighting how the politics of misinformation and conspiracy theories do not stop at the water’s edge — and seem certain to continue through November.

In edited videos, Republican officials and allies of former president Donald Trump repeatedly tried to turn Biden’s Normandy visit into a highlight reel of senior moments and missteps, aimed at showing the president as infirm, addled or out of his depth. Trump, who turns 78 on Friday, has also repeatedly attacked Biden over his age and fitness, and regularly shares videos of the president looking frail.

But an examination of video feeds from the events in Normandy, France, makes clear that the selected clips had been edited to present a particularly damaging — and often misleading — picture.

Such deceptively edited videos — known as “cheap fakes” because they misrepresent events simply by manipulating video or audio, or by leaving out context — have become staples of Republican attacks against Biden. They are easier to make and disseminate than content generated by artificial intelligence and can quickly go viral, allowing Biden’s opponents to take innocuous moments and turn them into attacks on his mental acuity or physical fitness.

“Republicans have resorted to pathetically manipulating and distorting footage of President Biden because they can’t successfully attack his record of delivering results for the American people,” Mia Ehrenberg, a spokeswoman for Biden’s campaign, said in a statement.

Karoline Leavitt, a spokeswoman for Trump’s campaign, defended the videos without addressing the deceptive editing, saying they showed Biden was “too weak” to serve another presidential term.

“Leave it to the Washington Post to cast blame on Republicans for Joe Biden’s clear cognitive decline that was caught on video for the entire world to see,” she said in a statement.
The videos taken from Biden’s D-Day event relied on taking the videos out of context as opposed to editing them in a misleading way. Here are a few examples that show how the phenomenon works:.....................

LA - L.A. said:

Trump needs support to overthrow our democracy, he cannot do it alone.

The support that Trump need and has to overthrow our democracy comes from the Republicans in Congress. Trump can not achieve what he wants without their help.

Trump doesn't need to be president for the Republicans in Congress to help him overthrow our democracy.

Keeping Trump out of the presidency will not be enough to save our democracy, we also have to vote the Republicans out of Congress, because they are the ones who also want to overthrow our democracy and they have the most power to actually do it. They don't need Trump to be president to do it.

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I disagree. If he loses again, he's done, and Republicans will abandon him. You'll start hearing about how he is a loser and an albatross. They'll start saying in public that which they say in private, but are afraid to admit lest getting the wrath of Trump and his MAGA constituents. You have to win the little battles to win the war. If we can sweep out all of his minions in one battle, I'll be thrilled, but I recognize the value in taking it one battle at a time. Break the fever first, then continue treating the patient until he recovers.

Lapaz said:

I disagree. If he loses again, he's done, and Republicans will abandon him. You'll start hearing about how he is a loser and an albatross. They'll start saying in public that which they say in private, but are afraid to admit lest getting the wrath of Trump and his MAGA constituents. You have to win the little battles to win the war. If we can sweep out all of his minions in one battle, I'll be thrilled, but I recognize the value in taking it one battle at a time. Break the fever first, then continue treating the patient until he recovers.

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that's what was supposed to happen after 2020 and especially after Jan 6th

And I've said this before. I absolutely believe that the Repubs wanted to abandon him after 2020 but they didn't want to be the ones to do it and face the wrath of his supporters (who just stormed the Capitol for him). So they didn't impeach thinking that the base would abandon him and move on to someone new

They didn't and I think the GOP was surprised that they didn't but because of that they couldn't speak out against him and here we are

Optimus Prime said:

that's what was supposed to happen after 2020 and especially after Jan 6th

And I've said this before. I absolutely believe that the Repubs wanted to abandon him after 2020 but they didn't want to be the ones to do it and face the wrath of his supporters (who just stormed the Capitol for him). So they didn't impeach thinking that the base would abandon him and move on to someone new

They didn't and I think the GOP was surprised that they didn't but because of that they couldn't speak out against him and here we are

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I agree that I thought he was done after 2020, but I believe that he'll be done this time, because he will probably be convicted multiple times. I know a few Republicans are changing their mind after just the NY felony conviction, but many don't think it was serious enough to abandon him. If he is convicted in the documents and election interference cases, then I think many more will abandon him. Once the wave begins, it will gain momentum, and Republicans will find their spines to finally speak out against the conman.

SaintForLife said:

And yet Trump leads Biden on who voters trust on the handling of the economy in polls.

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Polls are…polls.

What questions are asked? What verbiage is used in polling? Who is being polled? Where are the polls conducted? Who is conducting the polls? Why are Republicans stupid and cling to the worst president since Andrew Johnson?

The global economy is in better shape than it was at the start of the year, thanks largely to the performance of the United States, the World Bank said in its latest forecast Tuesday. But the sunnier outlook could cloud over if major central banks — including the Federal Reserve — keep interest rates at elevated levels.

Global growth is expected to reach an annual rate of 2.6 percent this year, up from a January forecast of 2.4 percent, the bank said. The global economy is drawing closer to a “soft landing” after recent price spikes, with average inflation dropping to a three-year low amid continuing growth, bank economists said.

While Americans’ unhappiness with high prices remains a key vulnerability for President Biden’s reelection bid, the World Bank now expects the U.S. economy to grow at an annual rate of 2.5 percent, nearly a full percentage point higher than it predicted in January. The United States is the only advanced economy growing significantly faster than the bank anticipated at the start of the year.

“Globally, overall things are better today than they were just four or five months ago,” said Indermit Gill, the World Bank’s chief economist. “A big part of this has to do with the resilience of the U.S. economy.”..........

Lapaz said:

I agree that I thought he was done after 2020, but I believe that he'll be done this time, because he will probably be convicted multiple times. I know a few Republicans are changing their mind after just the NY felony conviction, but many don't think it was serious enough to abandon him. If he is convicted in the documents and election interference cases, then I think many more will abandon him. Once the wave begins, it will gain momentum, and Republicans will find their spines to finally speak out against the conman.

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Republicans have no spines to find.

Seems like a good place for this:

Huh, what else does he have to do right now other than campaign?



Full disclosure, they’ve added one event since this tweet. It’s 6 days from now in Racine, WI.

Interesting article
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……A recent poll really drove this home for me. It came from Yahoo News and YouGov, and it asked people a series of basic questions about what’s happening in politics right now.

Among those questions? “As far as you know, which of the following things has Donald Trump been indicted for?”


Only about half of Americans agreed Trump had been indicted for the subjects of his three remaining indictments.

Just 55 percent agreed he had been indicted for taking highly classified documents and obstructing efforts to return them. And just less than half agreed Trump had been indicted for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, as he has both federally and in Georgia.


Many said they weren’t sure, but 16 to 21 percent said affirmatively that Trump had not been indicted for these things — these things that he has, in fact, been indicted for.


It’s worth applying some skepticism to these numbers. Republicans were the most likely to answer these questions wrongly. Remarkably, nearly as many said Trump had not been indicted for trying to overturn the election — 34 percent — as said he had — 35 percent.

Some of that could reflect a lack of paying attention or a media diet focused on outlets that simply don’t pay as much attention to these things; those least familiar with the indictments were Fox News viewers and those who don’t watch cable news.

Or it could be voters lodging a weird protest against indictments they view as unjustified. If an indictment is invalid and a “witch hunt,” is it really an indictment at all?

But it’s hardly the only evidence that many voters simply haven’t engaged with the 2024 campaign or politics more generally on the most basic of levels.


To wit:

• 1 in 5 voters in the Yahoo/YouGov survey said either that they didn’t know about Trump’s Manhattan verdict, that Trump was not guilty or that the trial was ongoing. That includes 2 out of every 5 registered voters under the age of 30.

• A majority of independents have said they’ve heard only “a little” or “nothing at all” about Trump’s classified-documents indictment, according to Marquette University Law School polling.

• Just 1 in 5 voters in a May Reuters/Ipsos poll said they were familiar with Trump having said that purported voter fraud in the 2020 election “allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”

• Republicans, especially, will often tell pollsters things about Donald Trump and his legal problems that are simply wrong.


• Voters also believe strikingly wrong things about the economy, including a majority believing we’re in a recession and half thinking unemployment is at a 50-year high. (Unemployment has actually been at 4 percent or below for its longest stretch in those 50 years.)

None of this means that we’re bound to see big shifts in the 2024 election once voters start paying more attention.

It’s likely many people will go on being unfamiliar with these things through November. And even if people do engage with the substance of these issues as they make their voting decisions and start seeing campaign ads about these things, we’ve seen how polarization can negate the impact of them.

The vast majority of Americans are now familiar with Trump’s guilty verdict in Manhattan, and he lost one or two points, at most…….

Optimus Prime said:

Interesting article
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……A recent poll really drove this home for me. It came from Yahoo News and YouGov, and it asked people a series of basic questions about what’s happening in politics right now.

Among those questions? “As far as you know, which of the following things has Donald Trump been indicted for?”


Only about half of Americans agreed Trump had been indicted for the subjects of his three remaining indictments.

Just 55 percent agreed he had been indicted for taking highly classified documents and obstructing efforts to return them. And just less than half agreed Trump had been indicted for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, as he has both federally and in Georgia.


Many said they weren’t sure, but 16 to 21 percent said affirmatively that Trump had not been indicted for these things — these things that he has, in fact, been indicted for.


It’s worth applying some skepticism to these numbers. Republicans were the most likely to answer these questions wrongly. Remarkably, nearly as many said Trump had not been indicted for trying to overturn the election — 34 percent — as said he had — 35 percent.

Some of that could reflect a lack of paying attention or a media diet focused on outlets that simply don’t pay as much attention to these things; those least familiar with the indictments were Fox News viewers and those who don’t watch cable news.

Or it could be voters lodging a weird protest against indictments they view as unjustified. If an indictment is invalid and a “witch hunt,” is it really an indictment at all?

But it’s hardly the only evidence that many voters simply haven’t engaged with the 2024 campaign or politics more generally on the most basic of levels.


To wit:

• 1 in 5 voters in the Yahoo/YouGov survey said either that they didn’t know about Trump’s Manhattan verdict, that Trump was not guilty or that the trial was ongoing. That includes 2 out of every 5 registered voters under the age of 30.

• A majority of independents have said they’ve heard only “a little” or “nothing at all” about Trump’s classified-documents indictment, according to Marquette University Law School polling.

• Just 1 in 5 voters in a May Reuters/Ipsos poll said they were familiar with Trump having said that purported voter fraud in the 2020 election “allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.”

• Republicans, especially, will often tell pollsters things about Donald Trump and his legal problems that are simply wrong.


• Voters also believe strikingly wrong things about the economy, including a majority believing we’re in a recession and half thinking unemployment is at a 50-year high. (Unemployment has actually been at 4 percent or below for its longest stretch in those 50 years.)

None of this means that we’re bound to see big shifts in the 2024 election once voters start paying more attention.

It’s likely many people will go on being unfamiliar with these things through November. And even if people do engage with the substance of these issues as they make their voting decisions and start seeing campaign ads about these things, we’ve seen how polarization can negate the impact of them.

The vast majority of Americans are now familiar with Trump’s guilty verdict in Manhattan, and he lost one or two points, at most…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/12/campaign-moment/

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The polls and actual election results are still not in sync. Here in this article they are saying that Trump has at most lost 1 or 2 points in polls because of his convictions, but in the first election since the guilty verdicts, an Ohio Congressional district saw a 20% swing away from the Republican candidate to the Democratic candidate.

Trump had won the district by 29% and the Republican candidate only won with a 9% margin. That is a huge swing in the vote in a reliably Republican district, and yet again polls had no clue it was about to happen.

Chief executives of some of America’s largest companies will meet privately with Donald Trumplater on Thursday, and many CEOs who were once critical of his unprecedented conduct appear increasingly open to the former president’s return to office, a Guardian analysis has found.

The private audience with the former president will take place at the quarterly gathering of the Business Roundtable, a powerful Washington lobbying group that advocates for the interests of chief executives of big US firms. Joe Biden was also invited; his chief of staff will attend while the US president is abroad, a Business Roundtable spokesperson said.

The meeting comes less than five months before the election and less than four years after CEOs raised the alarm about political polarization and threats to democracy when Trump refused to accept the results of the 2020 presidential election and incited an insurrection at the US Capitol.


Back then, the Business Roundtable – whose members include Apple’s Tim Cook, General Motors’ Mary Barra and JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon – led a chorus of condemnation from corporate America. “The country deserves better,” the Business Roundtable said in a statement on 6 January 2021, calling on Trump and his administration “to put an end to the chaos and to facilitate the peaceful transition of power”………

Yet a second Trump term promises benefits for CEOs and their companies in a variety of policy areas, from lucrative tax breaks – Trump’s recent pledges include a “business class big tax cut” – to sweeping rollbacks of Biden-era efforts to promote market competition and strengthen worker power.


“It has always been clear that the CEOs of the Fortune 500 are not what is going to preserve democracy, and that the CEOs of the Fortune 500 work for their investors who demand insatiable amounts of profit,” said Lindsay Owens of the Groundwork Collaborative, a progressive advocacy group.

“If they think that President Trump is perilous for democracy but good for profits, I think it has always been clear where they are going to land on this question.”………

As we ramp up to the election, we should be aware of social media infiltration by fakes pushing disinformation.