Will “mass deportation” actually happen (6 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[superchuck500]

I have a big issue with sending them directly to a foreign prison. It’s just wrong.

Every gang member, illegally present, should be rounded up and properly deported.

But a gang member, illegally present, might have second thoughts about remaining if they realize they could end up in one of the worlds most notorious prisons. And I wonder if the few planes sent to El Salvador were intended to plant that fear. Seems a bit coincidental that the self deport app popped up about the same time.

I trust that you also agree that American law requires to rounded-up gang member opportunity to have the government show evidence that they are a gang member?

 

[Sendai]

I trust that you also agree that American law requires to rounded-up gang member opportunity to have the government show evidence that they are a gang member?

If they are illegally present, and don’t have a pending asylum or scheduled court hearing, I’m pretty sure they are subject to proper deportation, gang member or otherwise.

Sending them to a foreign prison isn’t proper.

As I clearly stated before , “proper deportation “.

 

[superchuck500]

If they are illegally present, and don’t have a pending asylum or scheduled court hearing, I’m pretty sure they are subject to proper deportation, gang member or otherwise.

Sending them to a foreign prison isn’t proper.

As I clearly stated before , “proper deportation “.

Nor is it deportation.

But expedited removal is not unlimited either.

 

[Sendai]

Nor is it deportation.

But expedited removal is not unlimited either.

There are 1.4 million with deportation orders. Round them up. I’d say logistically they can’t do it in 4 years.

I will be curious to see what the self deportation numbers are in 4 years.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I didn’t justify anything. Try reading the first two sentences again.

A wise man once said, "Everything before the word 'but' is horseshit."

 

[Sendai]

A wise man once said, "Everything before the word 'but' is horseshit."

Apparently not to wise.

 

[MT15]

I have a big issue with sending them directly to a foreign prison. It’s just wrong.

Every gang member, illegally present, should be rounded up and properly deported.

But a gang member, illegally present, might have second thoughts about remaining if they realize they could end up in one of the worlds most notorious prisons. And I wonder if the few planes sent to El Salvador were intended to plant that fear. Seems a bit coincidental that the self deport app popped up about the same time.

What you say after the “but” is pretty telling, IMO. You are justifying what you claim to have a “big issue” with. You also don’t admit that we have credible reports that they aren’t actually only grabbing gang members, but rather anyone with a tattoo of any kind, and sending them to a foreign prison.

You seem to be saying it’s a trade-off you are somewhat comfortable with. Violating the human rights of 200-300 people, some as young as 14, who may or may not be in a gang is worth it?

There should be no “buts” when we are talking about the violation of human rights like this. Not in America.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Apparently not to wise.

*too

As MT said above, everything said after the but renders moot what came before it. You can say you want things done properly and that things are wrong, but you erase all of that when you try to justify it or rationalize it after the "but."

 

[Sendai]

What you say after the “but” is pretty telling, IMO. You are justifying what you claim to have a “big issue” with. You also don’t admit that we have credible reports that they aren’t actually only grabbing gang members, but rather anyone with a tattoo of any kind, and sending them to a foreign prison.

You seem to be saying it’s a trade-off you are somewhat comfortable with. Violating the human rights of 200-300 people, some as young as 14, who may or may not be in a gang is worth it?

There should be no “buts” when we are talking about the violation of human rights l

I made no such assertions to a trade off. That’s your fevered mind. I simply pointed out the possible relationship of sending a few planes to a notorious prison and the release of the self deportation app. As in self deportation to avoid being grabbed and sent to a notorious prison. The coincident timing of the planes to El Salvador and the self deportation app might indicate a plan on the part of ice.

 

[Sendai]

*too

As MT said above, everything said after the but renders moot what came before it. You can say you want things done properly and that things are wrong, but you erase all of that when you try to justify it or rationalize it after the "but."

Didn’t try to justify or rationalize anything Also your fevered mind doesn’t seem to comprehend. I Simply raised the idea that it was an interesting coincidence of the planes and the release of the app. Was it coordinated to scare the target individuals into self deportation? It’s really that simple.

 

[MT15]

I made no such assertions to a trade off. That’s your fevered mind. I simply pointed out the possible relationship of sending a few planes to a notorious prison and the release of the self deportation app. As in self deportation to avoid being grabbed and sent to a notorious prison. The coincident timing of the planes to El Salvador and the self deportation app might indicate a plan on the part of ice.

okay, so how do you feel about this “plan” which exists only in your own fevered mind? Mind sharing that with us, because I cannot come up with a reason you would make up or speculate about such a “plan” without any proof unless you were trying to justify the actions of this Administration which are clearly in violation of human rights.

 

[MT15]

Didn’t try to justify or rationalize anything Also your fevered mind doesn’t seem to comprehend. I Simply raised the idea that it was an interesting coincidence of the planes and the release of the app. Was it coordinated to scare the target individuals into self deportation? It’s really that simple.

Anyone who decries a violation of human rights and then uses the word “but” is justifying. Ascribing intentions, making excuses, whatever you want to call it doesn’t matter.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Didn’t try to justify or rationalize anything Also your fevered mind doesn’t seem to comprehend. I Simply raised the idea that it was an interesting coincidence of the planes and the release of the app. Was it coordinated to scare the target individuals into self deportation? It’s really that simple.

At least I comprehend what a three-letter word means.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The Trump administration is now using popular anti-hunger programs, including food assistance and school lunch, as part of its attack against immigrants in the US – a move many say will prevent large numbers of families, especially children, from getting the food benefits they’re eligible for.

In a recent memo, agriculture secretary Brooke Rollins told senior staff at the USDA’s Food and Nutrition Service (FNS): “It is essential to use all available legal authority to end any incentives in FNS benefit programs that encourage illegal immigration.”

In the accompanying press release, Rollins said, “The days in which taxpayer dollars are used to subsidize illegal immigration are over.”

While Rollins’s directive does not change people’s access, researchers, advocates and service providers say it’s spreading misinformation about undocumented immigrants and could create a chilling effect among immigrant and mixed-status families – a trend seen during the first Trump administration.

“It’s posturing to try to harm communities,” said Juan Carlos Gomez, an immigration and immigrant families senior policy analyst at the Center for Law and Social Policy (Clasp), of the memo.

Undocumented immigrants have been ineligible for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (Snap), which is used by more than 42 million people, long before Trump’s first term, and even immigrants who are authorized to be in the US have to wait five years before applying.

“That nugget of misinformation from the secretary”, he said, is like a seed that will continue to grow, so that people start “thinking undocumented immigrants are getting benefits they’re not”.

Other FNS programs, such as the National School Lunch Program, which provides low-cost or free lunches to around 30 million schoolchildren, or the Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP), which supplements the diets for low-income families with free USDA foods distributed by food banks, don’t have citizenship requirements like Snap.

“It really feels like immigrant families are being targeted to have food taken away from their plates in their households,” said California State University, San Bernadino professor Emily Loveland, who researches social welfare programs like Snap…….

Trump administration ‘villainizes’ immigrant families with misleading directive on food aid

Experts warn new directive could deter families from accessing food assistance, despite no changes to eligibility rules

www.theguardian.com

 

[superchuck500]

There are 1.4 million with deportation orders. Round them up. I’d say logistically they can’t do it in 4 years.

I will be curious to see what the self deportation numbers are in 4 years.

I think that's beside the point - when the government goes around rounding people up from US soil and shipping them off to a prison in a foreign country, there has to be a basis for review of whether the "deportation" was correct. There are numerous indications that this Trump/ICE effort is not being as discriminate as the law requires. Yet, their position is that it is strictly unreviewable. That cannot be the case.

 

[UriUT]

I think that's beside the point - when the government goes around rounding people up from US soil and shipping them off to a prison in a foreign country, there has to be a basis for review of whether the "deportation" was correct. There are numerous indications that this Trump/ICE effort is not being as discriminate as the law requires. Yet, their position is that it is strictly unreviewable. That cannot be the case.

"You are a criminal if you have a criminal record. Full stop. If you don't have a criminal record, you are at risk of criminality! Therefore, you are a criminal still." Deport!!!!!

Full minority report with futuristic witches replaced by Maga seers.

 

[Sendai]

okay, so how do you feel about this “plan” which exists only in your own fevered mind? Mind sharing that with us, because I cannot come up with a reason you would make up or speculate about such a “plan” without any proof unless you were trying to justify the actions of this Administration which are clearly in violation of human rights.

I’ve already expressed my disapproval. And a citing the coincidence is hardly a justification, except in your fevered mind.

 

[Sendai]

At least I comprehend what a three-letter word means.

Apparently not.