Will “mass deportation” actually happen (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[superchuck500]

That's still not the point.

The point is that the branch that would be charged with enforcing any orders the judicial branch gives is the branch refusing to do what the judicial branch orders.

The judicial branch depends on the executive branch to carry out its orders. The judicial branch has no enforcement mechanism without the executive branch's willingness to enforce court orders.

There's literally nothing the judicial branch can do other than write a (metaphorical) strongly worded letter at this point.

I don't think it's that simple. First, the federal rules specifically provide that, in various instances, the courts can appoint someone to carry out a court order - it doesn't have to be the US Marshals. This means that if, for example, a federal judge holds an administration official in contempt and orders his/her arrest and the US Marshals refuse to do it, the court can appoint someone to carry out the order. This, of course, would set up a situation where the Supreme Court would likely have to rule on whether the court had properly exercised this power and whether the official was subject to arrest for contempt.

It would be thereafter that the full constitutional crisis came to fruition with the administration defying the Supreme Court order. But the Supreme Court recognizes that the judiciary must have an independent means to enforce its orders - in 1987 the Court wrote : “If a party can make himself a judge of the validity of orders which have been issued, and by his own act of disobedience set them aside, then are the courts impotent, and what the Constitution now fittingly calls ‘the judicial power of the United States’ would be a mere mockery.”

(These comments are largely taken from: https://www.democracydocket.com/opi...urts-have-other-ways-to-enforce-their-orders/)

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Optimus Prime]

A Wisconsin man who voted for President Donald Trump is devastated after his Peruvian wife was detained by Immigration Customs and Enforcement.

Newlyweds Bradley Bartell and Camila Muñoz were on their way home after honeymooning in Puerto Rico last month when they were pulled aside by an immigration agent at the airport.

Muñoz was in the process of applying for a green card after her original visa expired, USA Today reported. When asked by the agent at the airport whether she was an American citizen, she was taken into custody and is being held in a private immigration facility in Louisiana.

“I knew they were cracking down. I guess I didn’t know how it was going down.” Bartell, an American citizen, told the outlet:

The couple, who live in the small city of Wisconsin Dells, reasoned that because Muñoz’s green card application was ongoing, she paid all her taxes and does not have a criminal record, they would not be caught up in the Trump administration’s sweeping immigration crackdown. She has been in the U.S. since 2019, working legally on a W-2 visa until it expired, according to the outlet.

“They know who she is and where she came from,” Bartell told the outlet. “They need to get the vetting done and not keep these people locked up. It doesn’t make any sense.”

It took Bartell almost a week to track down his wife, and the two have recently spoken on the phone…………

He voted for Trump. Now his Peruvian wife is stuck in ICE custody

Newlyweds Bradley Bartell and Camila Muñoz were on their way home after honeymooning in Puerto Rico last month when she was pulled aside by an immigration agent

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

I thought they said the basis was the plane was over international waters

 

[superchuck500]

I thought they said the basis was the plane was over international waters

I haven't seen any of the filings but they may have pivoted from that point because it's not legally valid.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I haven't seen any of the filings but they may have pivoted from that point because it's not legally valid.

In other words

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Who could have predicted this would happen? Cries the people who voted for someone who made this one of his pillars of reelection

He voted for Trump. Now his wife sits in an ICE detention center.

ICE's deportation actions signal that anyone who isn't a U.S. citizen is 'at risk – period,' immigration attorney says.

www.usatoday.com

Oh well. Nobody to blame but himself.

 

[superchuck500]

DOJ's response to the judge's questions:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436/gov.uscourts.dcd.278436.24.0_1.pdf

 

[superchuck500]

I think it's important for people to recognize that these responses are not simply "I don't care what the courts say" - there's non-trivial justifications provided here.

(A) that means that DOJ is not simply shirking the authority of the court - DOJ is participating in the process and appears to want to do so properly. And (B) it means that the court has to consider these arguments before simply throwing out contempt orders because it "looks" like the government ignored the order.

Yes, I think the court is going to be angry about DOJ's claim that the injunction didn't become valid until it was issued in the docket - because even though there is law to that effect, when a judge tells counsel what the order is and expects immediate adherence to it, there's an expectation that counsel will not then attempt to avoid it by claiming there was additional time involved. But at the same time, it's not a baseless claim that the order didn't come into effect until it was entered.

As to the offshore part, DOJ is claiming that these were military operations - and therefore beyond the influence of the court. I'm not sure that's a proper framing, but we'll see what the court thinks. I'm pretty sure the court isn't going to vacate the hearing.

 

[superchuck500]

lol - that didn't take long. See you in court counsel

 

[superchuck500]

 

[superchuck500]

Thread:

 

[Optimus Prime]

The family of a German national who has been in the U.S. on a green card for 17 years and was arrested at Boston Logan International Airporthas no idea why he is being detained by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Fabian Schmidt joins a growing number of visa and green card holders in the U.S. who have found themselves swept up in the Trump administration’s aggressive immigration crackdown.

The 34-year-old electrical engineer has held a green card since 2008 and renewed it last year, according to his mother, Astrid Senior, who also lives in the U.S. on a green card.

He was arrested at Boston Logan International Airport on March 7 after returning from a short vacation visiting family in Germany. Senior claimed he was “interrogated” before being taken to Rhode Island’s Wyatt Detention Center in Central Falls. She has not heard from her son since March 11…….

Family have no clue why German national with a green card is being held by ICE

Green card holder Fabian Schmidt was arrested at Boston Logan International Airport on March 7 and is currently in ICE detention

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

A Wisconsin man who voted for President Donald Trump is devastated after his Peruvian wife was detained by Immigration Customs and Enforcement.

Newlyweds Bradley Bartell and Camila Muñoz were on their way home after honeymooning in Puerto Rico last month when they were pulled aside by an immigration agent at the airport.

Muñoz was in the process of applying for a green card after her original visa expired, USA Today reported. When asked by the agent at the airport whether she was an American citizen, she was taken into custody and is being held in a private immigration facility in Louisiana.

“I knew they were cracking down. I guess I didn’t know how it was going down.” Bartell, an American citizen, told the outlet:

The couple, who live in the small city of Wisconsin Dells, reasoned that because Muñoz’s green card application was ongoing, she paid all her taxes and does not have a criminal record, they would not be caught up in the Trump administration’s sweeping immigration crackdown. She has been in the U.S. since 2019, working legally on a W-2 visa until it expired, according to the outlet.

“They know who she is and where she came from,” Bartell told the outlet. “They need to get the vetting done and not keep these people locked up. It doesn’t make any sense.”

It took Bartell almost a week to track down his wife, and the two have recently spoken on the phone…………

He voted for Trump. Now his Peruvian wife is stuck in ICE custody

Newlyweds Bradley Bartell and Camila Muñoz were on their way home after honeymooning in Puerto Rico last month when she was pulled aside by an immigration agent

www.independent.co.uk

He wasn’t paying attention at all was he? They were explicit in what they said they were going to do - deport everybody they could find. Everybody.