Will “mass deportation” actually happen (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[J-DONK]

No guarantee. Depending on the state resident aliens can get driver’s licenses.

I was curious. Google says, not a single state requires proof of citizenship to obtain a driver license.

 

[J-DONK]

Keep talking in circles. We all see right through you.

State IDs don’t prove citizenship, which is what prompted you to claim you carry your passport card. Which is not viable for the majority of people in this country and as has been pointed out repeatedly - in America we aren’t required to carry our “papers” around with us all the time. I also provided a resource earlier that proved there isn’t a huge database of citizens that law enforcement can access readily. So they are just grabbing people and carting them off in prison vans.

Maybe you would be more comfortable in a police state where you have this sort of crap happening all the time?

I wonder if any of these people have traveled internationally. Was I the only person who locked their passport in my hotel safe? It was made clear to me, how much of a PITA I was in for if I lost it.

 

[SystemShock]

<insert Al Pacino quote>

So, how exactly am I wrong?
Are you sure you know what you are looking at?
Tell me, what do you see in the image I posted?

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[efil4]

I wonder if any of these people have traveled internationally. Was I the only person who locked their passport in my hotel safe? It was made clear to me, how much of a PITA I was in for if I lost it.

I did that as well as bought a crossbody passport pouch that goes under your shirt (so no pickpockets) when we would travel by train and needed passport.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I did that as well as bought a crossbody passport pouch that goes under your shirt (so no pickpockets) when we would travel by train and needed passport.

This you...

 

[bird]

Keep talking in circles. We all see right through you.

State IDs don’t prove citizenship, which is what prompted you to claim you carry your passport card. Which is not viable for the majority of people in this country and as has been pointed out repeatedly - in America we aren’t required to carry our “papers” around with us all the time. I also provided a resource earlier that proved there isn’t a huge database of citizens that law enforcement can access readily. So they are just grabbing people and carting them off in prison vans.

Maybe you would be more comfortable in a police state where you have this sort of crap happening all the time?

Because he doesn’t believe it could happen to him so being in a police state would be no problem for him. Until it becomes a problem for him.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A 68-year-old Mexican-born man has become the first Ice detainee in at least a decade to die while being transported from a local jail to a federal detention center, and experts have warned there will likely be more such deaths amid the current administration’s “mass deportation” push across the US.

Abelardo Avellaneda Delgado’s exact cause of death remains under investigation, according to Ice, but the Guardian’s reporting reveals a confusing and at times contradictory series of events surrounding the incident.

The death occurred as private companies with little to no oversight are increasingly tasked with transporting more immigration detainees across the US, in pursuit of the Trump administration’s recently-announced target of arresting 3,000 people a day.

“The system is so loaded with people, exacerbating bad conditions – it’s like a ticking time bomb,” said Amilcar Valencia, executive director of El Refugio, a Georgia-based organization that works with detainees at Stewart detention center and their families.

Avellaneda Delgado lived most of the last 40 years in the US, raising a large family, working on tobacco and vegetable farms – and never gaining legal immigration status.

He was arrested in Statenville, Georgia on 9 April due to a parole violation – and died on 5 May in the back of a van about half-way between the Lowndes county jail and Stewart detention center.

His family say their search for answers has been frustrating, and have hired an attorney to help. Two of Avellaneda Delgado’s six children who lived with their father told the Guardian he had no health conditions before being detained – but somehow was put in a wheelchair during the weeks he spent in jail, and was unable to speak during a family visit. The Guardian learned that he was given medications while in jail.………..

‘Ticking time bomb’: Ice detainee dies in transit as experts say more deaths likely

Guardian reporting reveals confusing and contradictory events surrounding death of Abelardo Avellaneda Delgado

www.theguardian.com

 

[TampaJoe]

Keep talking in circles. We all see right through you.

State IDs don’t prove citizenship, which is what prompted you to claim you carry your passport card. Which is not viable for the majority of people in this country and as has been pointed out repeatedly - in America we aren’t required to carry our “papers” around with us all the time. I also provided a resource earlier that proved there isn’t a huge database of citizens that law enforcement can access readily. So they are just grabbing people and carting them off in prison vans.

Maybe you would be more comfortable in a police state where you have this sort of crap happening all the time?

I don’t say carrying your papers is required in this country. It is just a smart idea. But you aren’t interested in smart. As I have said repeatedly you, I expect LEO to follow the law. As I have repeatedly pointed out to you, some forms of ID may not prove your citizenship, but it does facilitate the investigative process should you encounter LEO. Now you can disagree. That is your right.

But maybe you would be more comfortable in a place full of ignorant arseholes?

 

[TampaJoe]

You ready to carry proof of citizenship in this country?

I carry proper ID at all times. I do have a passport card in my wallet. It ain’t that complicated. I’m not saying it should be required. It is just smart. Do you walk around or travel without your wallet? I bet your ID is in there.

 

[TampaJoe]

I wonder if any of these people have traveled internationally. Was I the only person who locked their passport in my hotel safe? It was made clear to me, how much of a PITA I was in for if I lost it.

They advise you when you travel overseas to lock your passport in the hotel safe. They also advise you to keep a photocopy of the front page of your passport on your person. I carry a passport card that accomplishes that. It won’t get you thru customs but it would come in handy if you encounter a LEO in a faraway land.

 

[Sendai]

Thank you so much for saying that, because that's true. You know what else is true, comrade Sendai? Anyone with an arrest warrant, including ICE, is legally required to present that arrest warrant while making the arrest. They have to serve the warrant.

Whoever these raiders actually are, are refusing to present arrest warrants and they are arresting anyone who reminds them they have a legal obligation to present an arrest warrant if they have one.

You're just so wrong in every factual and moral way, and just just shot your bullshirt cover for Trump and his fellow tyrants in the foot.

I fully expect you to deny it and try to spin your way out of it. You are not my intended audience and your opinions and beliefs are not the important opinions and beliefs. I know where you stand. It's obvious and transparent that you are here only to give cover to Trump and his fellow tyrants, so you're never going to acknowledge the full truth and full reality of what's happening.

I like that you are trying to spin things in Trump and his fellow tyrants favor, because it means that they and you know that the public is turning against them and what they are doing. You're only ever active here when Trump needs damage control.

Except that ICE agents, through immigration legislation, aren’t required to have Judicial Warrants.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

It may not be a crime as you say. I never implied it was. However, it is smart to carry proof of identity at all times. And such proof is not hard to obtain. Further if you are traveling in a country where you are not a citizen, it is smart to carry proper Identification and proof of citizenship. If you don’t, you shouldn’t be surprised if it takes LEO a bit to verify your status.

Do you travel over seas without proof of citizenship? It was the first thing they told me when I traveled abroad. As a citizen, it is not that difficult to obtain. Lastly, there are numerous databases that LEO can access to verify your identity and if you have pending charges.

So let the record show that @TampaJoe supports masked gunmen abducting people and sticking them in detention centers without letting anyone know were they are or letting them contact anyone or have due process of any kind.

He keeps making excuses to justify theses actions so he clearly supports. He's behaving just like the Germans who made excuses for the actions of the Nazis. I'm not saying he's a Nazi, I'm just saying he's making excuses for Trump's tyranny just like the Germans who made excuses for the Nazi's tyranny.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

So I don’t necessarily but into the argument that proper id is difficult to obtain.

You started with the above. Then:

That is true.

You agree financial privilege is a truth.

The truth is the truth.

You agree that truth is truth, regardless of if people buy into it. Then:

But I’m not required to buy into what you may call the truth just because you say it in the truth.

You contradict yourself and circle right back to not accepting the truth that financial privilege is a truth which makes it harder for people who aren't in your financially privileged position to get the ID's that you falsely claim are easy for anyone to get.

You aren't operating out of logic and truth which is why contradict yourself and talk in circles.

 

[TampaJoe]

So let the record show that @TampaJoe supports masked gunmen abducting people and sticking them in detention centers without letting anyone know were they are or letting them contact anyone or have due process of any kind.

He keeps making excuses to justify theses actions so he clearly supports. He's behaving just like the Germans who made excuses for the actions of the Nazis. I'm not saying he's a Nazi, I'm just saying he's making excuses for Trump's tyranny just like the Germans who made excuses for the Nazi's tyranny.

Let the record show that I never said any of that and you have demonstrated that you are nothing but a liar.

Do you guys ever get tired of resorting to the whole Nazi comparison whenever you can’t make your point? It has become a meaningless slur. It’s been pulled so often than it means nothing. It is used by ignorant people who obviously wouldn’t know a true Nazi if one jumped up and bit them in their ignorant arse.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Except that ICE agents, through immigration legislation, aren’t required to have Judicial Warrants.

I never said they have to have a judicial warrant. You're telling partial truths again to give cover to truants, so let the record show @Sendai supports tyranny.

The full truth is that ICE is required to either have an administrative warrant to make an arrest or they make an arrest without one if certain strict criteria are met. That's the full truth.

The bigger issue is that we don't even know if ICE is making any of the abductions, because the abductors are masked and unidentifiable as being ICE agents. The people that are being abducted are disappearing. No one knows where each individual is being taken and ICE will not confirm they've abducted anyone when asked. Most people are being abducted without any video record of it. We have no idea what is happening to those people.

The few reports we get from inside detention centers indicates that horrible human rights violations are occurring. The people being abducted are being treated brutally and horribly. It's not acceptable to be treated that way, but it's clear that you fully support people being treated that way and you are going to continue to justify that treatment.

By the way civility, politeness and courtesy does not mean pretending that people aren't who they show us to be. It's just the manner in which you go about speaking the bare naked truth about someone. Telling Ted Bundy he's a ruthless serial killer is not uncivil. Telling a Nazi sympathizer that they support tyranny and the horrible treatment of people is not uncivil. Telling a Charles Manson supporter they support a horrible person and murdering of innocents is not uncivil.

Telling someone who openly and repeatedly excuses and justifies the horrible and tyranncialy actions of Trump and his fellow Republicans that they support tyranny and the horrible treatment of people is not uncivil. To not speak that truth would be the actual act of incivility toward the people suffering, and all of the people that will soon suffer if we don't speak the truth about the tyranny and atrocities and if we don't stand united against the atrocities and everyone who supports it.

 

[TampaJoe]

You started with the above. Then:


You agree financial privilege is a truth.


You agree that truth is truth, regardless of if people buy into it. Then:


You contradict yourself and circle right back to not accepting the truth that financial privilege is a truth which makes it harder for people who aren't in your financially privileged position to get the ID's that you falsely claim are easy for anyone to get.

You aren't operating out of logic and truth which is why contradict yourself and talk in circles.

I don’t buy into the argument that proper ID is difficult to obtain. People in all walks of life get ID. It is required and necessary to obtain many services in this country.

What is true is your statement that “the truth doesn’t need my buy in”.

Everything else you said is BS.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Let the record show that I never said any of that and you have demonstrated that you are nothing but a liar.

Okay, TampaJoe, maybe I misunderstood you, so let's get right down to it without any purseyfooting around it.

Is it wrong for masked gunmen abducting people and sticking them in detention centers without letting anyone know were they are or letting them contact anyone or have due process of any kind.?

Will you vote against anyone who supports or allows masked gunmen abducting people and sticking them in detention centers without letting anyone know were they are or letting them contact anyone or have due process of any kind?

Here's your easy and simple chance to set the record straight on what you do and don't support. The ball is in your court.

I will address your thoughts on Nazi comparisons once I hear your answer to the above two questions.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I don’t buy into the argument that proper ID is difficult to obtain. People in all walks of life get ID. It is required and necessary to obtain many services in this country.

You're being illogical or in denial if you understand that financial privilege is a truth, but also hold the false belief that everyone can easily spend the money needed to pay for the ID's that are accepted as proof of citizenship.

For instance, my passport expired two years ago, I've not been able to afford to renew it yet. Some people don't even have the transportation to go where they have to go to get an ID that proves citizenship or internet access to do it online. Not everyone has the financial privileges that you have, TampaJoe.