Will “mass deportation” actually happen (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[MT15]

I carry a passport card.

Good for you. Not everyone has one of those and a whole lot of people can’t afford them. What now? You’re fine with it because you have enough resources?

 

[MT15]

This is interesting. I hope it becomes common.



Deep in the article is this horrible paragraph:

“Any other day, said a local activist, two to four immigrants would be detained by Immigration and Customs Enforcement and taken away in vans operated by private prison CoreCivic.

In fact, at least two white vans were parked on an adjacent street with no license plates but padlocks on side doors.”

This is fine with Sendai and Joe, though. Secret police grabbing the people who are trying to work within the system and whisking them away in padlocked unmarked vans. No accountability, the identity of everyone involved held in secrecy.

They’ve both defended this.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I carry a passport card.

But you aren't legally required to carry it and it's not a crime not to carry proof of citizenship.

You know full well that you would be pissed if masked gunmen abducted you and stuck you in a detention center without letting anyone know were you were or letting you contact anyone, all because it was the one day you forgot to carry your passport card. Don't try to pretend otherwise.

 

[TampaJoe]

Good for you. Not everyone has one of those and a whole lot of people can’t afford them. What now? You’re fine with it because you have enough resources?

When I travel outside the country, I carry ID. Wherever I go in this country, I carry a valid state ID. I like the passport card as additional ID. If you don’t carry valid state id, it might be a problem if you have interaction with law enforcement. IDs are not all that hard to get and are necessary to obtain a number of services in this country.

So I don’t necessarily but into the argument that proper id is difficult to obtain.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

When I travel outside the country, I carry ID. Wherever I go in this country, I carry a valid state ID. I like the passport card as additional ID. If you don’t carry valid state id, it might be a problem if you have interaction with law enforcement. IDs are not all that hard to get and are necessary to obtain a number of services in this country.

So I don’t necessarily but into the argument that proper id is difficult to obtain.

Is your income at the poverty line or near it? Financial privilege is a real thing. The truth doesn't need your buy in, it's still the truth if you choose to ignore it or not.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I carry a passport card.

So it's safe to believe you routinely cross North or South of our border, because that's the only usefulness of paying additional cost for a Passport Card.

 

[TampaJoe]

But you aren't legally required to carry it and it's not a crime not to carry proof of citizenship.

You know full well that you would be pissed if masked gunmen abducted you and stuck you in a detention center without letting anyone know were you were or letting you contact anyone, all because it was the one day you forgot to carry your passport card. Don't try to pretend otherwise.

It may not be a crime as you say. I never implied it was. However, it is smart to carry proof of identity at all times. And such proof is not hard to obtain. Further if you are traveling in a country where you are not a citizen, it is smart to carry proper Identification and proof of citizenship. If you don’t, you shouldn’t be surprised if it takes LEO a bit to verify your status.

Do you travel over seas without proof of citizenship? It was the first thing they told me when I traveled abroad. As a citizen, it is not that difficult to obtain. Lastly, there are numerous databases that LEO can access to verify your identity and if you have pending charges.

 

[Optimus Prime]

t has been eerily easy to find street parking in Los Angeles’s fashion district this week. In the nearby flower district, longtime vendors have locked up stalls. And in East LA, popular taquerías have temporarily closed.

Neighborhoods across LA and southern Californiahave gone quiet since the Trump administration ramped up immigration raids in the region two weeks ago.

The aggressive arrests by federal agents have ignited roaring protests which the administration tried to quell by mobilizing thousands of national guard troops. Last weekend, Americans protested the raids and other administration policies in one of the biggest ever single-day demonstrations in US history. But immigration enforcement in LA has only intensified.


In downtown Los Angeles, Lindsay Toczylowski, the executive director of the Immigrant Defenders Law Center (ImmDef) was alerted on Wednesday morning that federal agents in masks and bulletproof vests had ambushed a man who was biking down the street, not far from her office, and had arrested him.

She and a colleague rushed outside, to see if the agents were targeting anyone else. Later, they puzzled over how and why agents had decided to target this man. Did they have a warrant? Did they even know who he was? Or was it just that he looked like he could be an immigrant.

“It feels so invasive. They’re everywhere,” she said.

It was the type of arrest that has immigrants across the region weighing if, and when, it will be safe to go outside.

In LA’s Koreatown, a dense, immigrant neighborhood just west of downtown, children were playing at Seoul international park, but not as many as usual. Outside Jon’s grocery, there were only a few street vendors who had set up shop – where normally there would be a dozen or more.……

As Ice infiltrates LA, neighborhoods fall quiet: ‘We can’t even go out for a walk’

Raids have brought life to a standstill for some immigrant residents while others pick up pieces after arrests of family

www.theguardian.com

 

[TampaJoe]

Is your income at the poverty line or near it? Financial privilege is a real thing. The truth doesn't need your buy in, it's still the truth if you choose to ignore it or not.

That is true. The truth is the truth. But I’m not required to buy into what you may call the truth just because you say it in the truth.

 

[bird]

It may not be a crime as you say. I never implied it was. However, it is smart to carry proof of identity at all times. And such proof is not hard to obtain. Further if you are traveling in a country where you are not a citizen, it is smart to carry proper Identification and proof of citizenship. If you don’t, you shouldn’t be surprised if it takes LEO a bit to verify your status.

Do you travel over seas without proof of citizenship? It was the first thing they told me when I traveled abroad. As a citizen, it is not that difficult to obtain. Lastly, there are numerous databases that LEO can access to verify your identity and if you have pending charges.

You ready to carry proof of citizenship in this country?

 

[SystemShock]

What proof do you have of your US citizenship that is on your person?

Edited to add: the image above is strictly an answer to the question posed.

 

[bird]

No guarantee. Depending on the state resident aliens can get driver’s licenses.

 

[SystemShock]

No guarantee. Depending on the state resident aliens can get driver’s licenses.

Was going to leave it at the image, but, I was answering the question posed.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Lastly, there are numerous databases that LEO can access to verify your identity and if you have pending charges.

Tell that to Peter Brown:

The case was brought against Monroe County Sheriff Rick Ramsay on behalf of Peter Brown, who was detained by the county at ICE’s request. Brown’s repeated pleas that he was a U.S. citizen and could not be held for ICE went ignored.

Brown has suffered severe emotional trauma because of this experience. He languished in detention and would have been deported to Jamaica — a country to which he has no ties whatsoever — if not for the last-minute intervention of a friend, who sent a copy of Brown’s birth certificate to an ICE agent.

The case was filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida.

Federal Court Rules in Favor of U.S. Citizen Illegally Detained for Deportation by Florida Sheriff | American Civil Liberties Union

Decision affirms that U.S. citizen Peter Sean Brown was illegally detained in violation of Fourth Amendment rights

www.aclu.org

Seven years later and he is still fighting for justice.

MIAMI, Fla. — A federal court today granted a motion for partial summary judgment in Brown v. Ramsay, a federal lawsuit challenging the illegal detention of Peter Sean Brown, a U.S. citizen who was arrested and detained by the Monroe County, Fla. Sheriff’s Office (MSCO) at the request of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

The court ruled that Mr. Brown’s Fourth Amendment rights were violated when Monroe County Sheriff Rick Ramsay illegally detained him in April 2018. Mr. Brown was held on an ICE immigration detainer, which had incorrectly identified Mr. Brown as a deportable Jamaican immigrant. The court’s ruling explains that ICE lacked probable cause to issue the detainer in the first place, and the Sheriff’s office could not rely on the detainer to ignore the obvious evidence that Mr. Brown was a citizen: “MCSO cannot abdicate its legal responsibility and turn a blind eye to this information.”

ICE’s controversial “detainers” ask state and local law enforcement agencies to re-arrest and detain individuals identified by ICE for up to 48 hours after their state cases have ended. The ruling is a win for immigrants’ rights, demonstrating that – as advocates have long argued – ICE detainers are deeply flawed and local officials act at their own peril when they accept these documents to justify additional detention. Monroe County joins a long list of jurisdictions that have been held liable or settled claims arising from immigration detainer holds.

Federal Court Rules in Favor of U.S. Citizen Illegally Detained for Deportation by Florida Sheriff | American Civil Liberties Union

Decision affirms that U.S. citizen Peter Sean Brown was illegally detained in violation of Fourth Amendment rights

www.aclu.org

 

[TampaJoe]

Tell that to Peter Brown:

The case was brought against Monroe County Sheriff Rick Ramsay on behalf of Peter Brown, who was detained by the county at ICE’s request. Brown’s repeated pleas that he was a U.S. citizen and could not be held for ICE went ignored.

Brown has suffered severe emotional trauma because of this experience. He languished in detention and would have been deported to Jamaica — a country to which he has no ties whatsoever — if not for the last-minute intervention of a friend, who sent a copy of Brown’s birth certificate to an ICE agent.

The case was filed in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida.

Federal Court Rules in Favor of U.S. Citizen Illegally Detained for Deportation by Florida Sheriff | American Civil Liberties Union

Decision affirms that U.S. citizen Peter Sean Brown was illegally detained in violation of Fourth Amendment rights

www.aclu.org

Seven years later and he is still fighting for justice.

MIAMI, Fla. — A federal court today granted a motion for partial summary judgment in Brown v. Ramsay, a federal lawsuit challenging the illegal detention of Peter Sean Brown, a U.S. citizen who was arrested and detained by the Monroe County, Fla. Sheriff’s Office (MSCO) at the request of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

The court ruled that Mr. Brown’s Fourth Amendment rights were violated when Monroe County Sheriff Rick Ramsay illegally detained him in April 2018. Mr. Brown was held on an ICE immigration detainer, which had incorrectly identified Mr. Brown as a deportable Jamaican immigrant. The court’s ruling explains that ICE lacked probable cause to issue the detainer in the first place, and the Sheriff’s office could not rely on the detainer to ignore the obvious evidence that Mr. Brown was a citizen: “MCSO cannot abdicate its legal responsibility and turn a blind eye to this information.”

ICE’s controversial “detainers” ask state and local law enforcement agencies to re-arrest and detain individuals identified by ICE for up to 48 hours after their state cases have ended. The ruling is a win for immigrants’ rights, demonstrating that – as advocates have long argued – ICE detainers are deeply flawed and local officials act at their own peril when they accept these documents to justify additional detention. Monroe County joins a long list of jurisdictions that have been held liable or settled claims arising from immigration detainer holds.

Federal Court Rules in Favor of U.S. Citizen Illegally Detained for Deportation by Florida Sheriff | American Civil Liberties Union

Decision affirms that U.S. citizen Peter Sean Brown was illegally detained in violation of Fourth Amendment rights

www.aclu.org

I would be pissed if my rights were violated. Law enforcement should be expected to follow proper procedure. That said. I expect that anyone born or naturalized as a citizen in this country should be able to prove their status as citizens. I would question anyone who cannot prove their citizenship. I am not saying that their isnt the occasional exception to the rule but I imagine it to be extremely rare in the modern age. Not saying impossible. Just saying extremely rare.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I would be pissed if my rights were violated. Law enforcement should be expected to follow proper procedure. That said. I expect that anyone born or naturalized as a citizen in this country should be able to prove their status as citizens. I would question anyone who cannot prove their citizenship. I am not saying that their isnt the occasional exception to the rule but I imagine it to be extremely rare in the modern age. Not saying impossible. Just saying extremely rare.

Well, considering The 4th Amendment is violated daily by Government Officials (LEOs), I doubt these instances are as rare as you think.

 

[wardorican]

Edited to add: the image above is strictly an answer to the question posed.

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[MT15]

When I travel outside the country, I carry ID. Wherever I go in this country, I carry a valid state ID. I like the passport card as additional ID. If you don’t carry valid state id, it might be a problem if you have interaction with law enforcement. IDs are not all that hard to get and are necessary to obtain a number of services in this country.

So I don’t necessarily but into the argument that proper id is difficult to obtain.

Keep talking in circles. We all see right through you.

State IDs don’t prove citizenship, which is what prompted you to claim you carry your passport card. Which is not viable for the majority of people in this country and as has been pointed out repeatedly - in America we aren’t required to carry our “papers” around with us all the time. I also provided a resource earlier that proved there isn’t a huge database of citizens that law enforcement can access readily. So they are just grabbing people and carting them off in prison vans.

Maybe you would be more comfortable in a police state where you have this sort of crap happening all the time?