Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Sendai]

You are aware of what the US Treasury LE duties are, yes?

They aren't there to bust up a counterfeit operation or snag someone for tax evasion. They are acting on behalf of ICE. Inter-agency cooperation is a thing and so they are adopting ICE policy when acting in their stead.

And that 4th agent in back has a distinct pronation in his stance. Might need some orthopedic shoes.

There isn’t anything in that photo that indicates an ice operation. If they were supporting ice there’d be an ice agent.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Civilians are free to wear masks.

As a general rule police/federal law enforcement have the right to arrest the “law breaker”. Kinda the job.

Fair enough, poor word choice on my part by saying "deem", I should have said "think to be a law breaker".
- They have the right to abduct anyone they deem think to be "law breaker".

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

A Special Agent with the Treasury Department might have need to be masked.

Still making stuff up to give cover for tyrants I see. Special Agents in the Treasury Department have appeared in public and court without masks, until Trump came along.

You also said that Trump wouldn't try to enact Project 2025 and people were overreacting. You were dead wrong about that and were just making stuff up to give cover for Trump and his fellow tyrants.

You're as transparent as Wonder Woman's plane, son.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

In other words, these agents have more rights than civilians.

- They have the right to conceal their identities.

- They have the right to abduct anyone they deem THINK to be "law breaker".

- They have the right to demand anyone's identity without any reasonable suspicion, supported by articulable facts.

The mere fact that these raids are being conducted, by masked agents openly against civilians, has put civilians at risk by providing bad actors a means to conceal their own criminal abductions under the color of law.

Are you comfortable with surrendering your rights so that the Government can accomplish their goals?

And let's not overlook, these raiders aren't just covering their faces. They are usually not in any kind of identifying uniforms or vehicles either, so Sendai's attempt to give cover to Trump and his fellow tyrants is complete bullshirt.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Civilians are free to wear masks.

Not in some cities comrade Sendai.

As a general rule police/federal law enforcement have the right to arrest the “law breaker”. Kinda the job.

They only have the right to arrest someone if they see them actually breaking the law. Having non-white skin and not having proof of citizenship is not a crime. We are not required to carry proof of out citizenship.

You keep giving cover to Trump and his fellow tyrants. That is all you do here. You're obvious and transparent.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Has the media or any news outlet asked why so many ICE agents are wearing masks to cover their identities? After all, MAGA is steadfast against the use of masks to prevent the transfer of colds/flu/COVID so why the use in raids and such?

I'm not a historian and I've only done light reading into the subject, but the parallels of this administration to 1930's Nazi Germany are remarkable.

I see a lot of security wearing masks now. even mall cops. So this guy in a pathetic "security" car guarding a empty business wearing a mask. all this guy does is sit in his car with a magnetic security label and cheap plug in flashing lights.

 

[wardorican]

You are right. I stand corrected.

But if you are being detained as a citizen or as a legal resident, having a valid government id is the first step. LEO have other resources available to them to help determine status if they know definitively who you are.

It's not as easy as you think. Passport or carrying your birth certificate is the only sure way.

 

[Sendai]

And let's not overlook, these raiders aren't just covering their faces. They are usually not in any kind of identifying uniforms or vehicles either, so Sendai's attempt to give cover to Trump and his fellow tyrants is complete bullshirt.

The photo I referenced in this thread they are sporting very clear identification “police” “federal agent” and a treasury department badge. And most of the photos I’ve seen involving immigrants the agents have a large “ICE” identification.

As to the masks, well, doxxing is very real, so ok by me. If people quit doxxing then the masks aren’t necessary, are they?

 

[wardorican]

People who come to this country as legal immigrants and go thru the system have records which LEO can access. Folks who were born here can get birth certificates. Is it perfect? No. Is the process error free? No. So let’s improve the process. What is your solution? Do nothing?

What proof do you have of your US citizenship that is on your person?

You're expecting a database that doesn't really exist. ICE is leaning towards arrest and detainment and Maybe figure it out later.

 

[Sendai]

Not in some cities comrade Sendai.


They only have the right to arrest someone if they see them actually breaking the law. Having non-white skin and not having proof of citizenship is not a crime. We are not required to carry proof of out citizenship.

You keep giving cover to Trump and his fellow tyrants. That is all you do here. You're obvious and transparent.

They have a right to arrest anyone that has a warrant against them. So they don’t have to see “ them actually breaking the law “.

 

[MT15]

A Special Agent with the Treasury Department might have need to be masked.

Plus, today with the very real doxxing threat to families of agents seems like a reasonable thing to do. And there is no official policy prohibiting masks.

ICE was mentioned considerably in the blue sky thread.

And you don’t wear a mask when operating undercover.

You are ridiculously justifying secret police used to terrorize civilians. There is no “real threat”. The post you used to try to prove that failed miserably to prove any threat whatsoever. It was a joke.

Various states where these secret police are operating have laws against being masked in public, including mine.

They are driving vehicles with no markings and even no license plates in some cases. They often aren’t displaying badges and they refuse to identify themselves to elected officials as we have seen. There’s no way to know if these are actual authorized people or vigilantes. Someone is going to be killed pretty soon if this ridiculous activity isn’t stopped.

Perhaps you’d be more comfortable in a police state rather than a free nation such are the US?

This isn’t reasonable. There’s nothing reasonable about it.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

The photo I referenced in this thread they are sporting very clear identification “police” “federal agent” and a treasury department badge.

They aren't raiding anyone in that photo, so that photo is irrelevant to what I said.

It's a fact that raiders are abducting men, women and children while their faces are covered, they aren't driving identifiable vehicles, they aren't wearing identifying uniforms, they refuse to identify themselves, they refuse to show an arrest warrant, and then ICE refuses to acknowledge who they have detained or were they have sent them.

I'm not surprised

And most of the photos I’ve seen involving immigrants the agents have a large “ICE” identification.

Then you're selectively looking at photos and videos which is what someone who's trying to give cover to Trump and his fellow tyrants would do. You're never going to acknowledge the complete truth, because the complete truth reveals that Trump and his companions are tyrants and you are here to try to convince people otherwise.

You're transparent and obvious. You support Trump, his fellow tyrants, and the tyranny they are imposing and want to impose. I don't think you are fooling anyone.

As to the masks, well, doxxing is very real, so ok by me. If people quit doxxing then the masks aren’t necessary, are they?

The doxxing excuse is just another lie to give cover to Trump and his fellow tyrants. I challenge you to provide credible, unbiased verification of how many ICE agents have been doxxed and how many have been harmed as a result of the alleged doxxing?

You're just making up stuff that sounds like it justifies what Trump and his fellow tyrants are doing. It's what you do. It's obvious and transparent.

 

[MT15]

The photo I referenced in this thread they are sporting very clear identification “police” “federal agent” and a treasury department badge. And most of the photos I’ve seen involving immigrants the agents have a large “ICE” identification.

As to the masks, well, doxxing is very real, so ok by me. If people quit doxxing then the masks aren’t necessary, are they?

Those items of clothing are available for purchase online. There isn’t anything to stop people from buying them and cosplaying as federal agents.

 

[faceman]

Not in some cities comrade Sendai.


They only have the right to arrest someone if they see them actually breaking the law. Having non-white skin and not having proof of citizenship is not a crime. We are not required to carry proof of out citizenship.

You keep giving cover to Trump and his fellow tyrants. That is all you do here. You're obvious and transparent.

Not much to add but yeah. Masks are strictly forbidden inside banks and most other businesses. It's common sense.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

They have a right to arrest anyone that has a warrant against them.

Thank you so much for saying that, because that's true. You know what else is true, comrade Sendai? Anyone with an arrest warrant, including ICE, is legally required to present that arrest warrant while making the arrest. They have to serve the warrant.

Whoever these raiders actually are, are refusing to present arrest warrants and they are arresting anyone who reminds them they have a legal obligation to present an arrest warrant if they have one.

You're just so wrong in every factual and moral way, and just just shot your bullshirt cover for Trump and his fellow tyrants in the foot.

I fully expect you to deny it and try to spin your way out of it. You are not my intended audience and your opinions and beliefs are not the important opinions and beliefs. I know where you stand. It's obvious and transparent that you are here only to give cover to Trump and his fellow tyrants, so you're never going to acknowledge the full truth and full reality of what's happening.

I like that you are trying to spin things in Trump and his fellow tyrants favor, because it means that they and you know that the public is turning against them and what they are doing. You're only ever active here when Trump needs damage control.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

They have a right to arrest anyone that has a warrant against them. So they don’t have to see “ them actually breaking the law “.

There are already multiple documented cases where these raids happen and there is no warrant presented. I'll wager that over 90% of those who were abducted by these agents have no warrants at all. These agents are routinely stopping people because "they look like someone they are looking for", then these agents go on to forcibly remove them from their location into custody.

No warrant.
No Probable Cause.
No Evidence of a Committed Crime.
No Exigent Circumstance.

That's not policing, that is kidnapping!

 

[efil4]

There isn’t anything in that photo that indicates an ice operation. If they were supporting ice there’d be an ice agent.

So they are standing in a hallway, guarding a telephone closet.

Lol. Yeah that's totally US Treasury duties.

 

[TampaJoe]

What proof do you have of your US citizenship that is on your person?

You're expecting a database that doesn't really exist. ICE is leaning towards arrest and detainment and Maybe figure it out later.

I carry a passport card.