Will “mass deportation” actually happen (4 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[MT15]

But don't encounters just mean more people are coming, not that they aren't being stopped/deported? I sometime wonder if all the right wing talk of "open borders" actually encourages more people to come b/c they believe it's actually open. Although the real reason is that the US recovered from the COVID lockdowns much, much faster than everywhere else, making it the best place to get work.

Context. Not something that is prized by the GOP these days.

 

[Dragon]

When actions speak louder than words and the true meaning of being a christian is put into action

 

[MT15]

They need to block everything in Congress in every way possible until they get accountability. Those agents need to be fired and Noem needs to resign, full stop.

Can she not be impeached? She should be sent packing by Congress.

 

[MT15]

A drivers license would probably work. ESP if it was a real id.

No, it wouldn’t. Real ID doesn’t prove citizenship in many states.

 

[TampaJoe]

How so? They dont prove citizenship.

How so? They dont prove citizenship.

Are you familiar with real id?

 

[MT15]

Are you familiar with real id?

Yes, are you? They don’t prove citizenship in many states. They prove identity but not citizenship.

 

[TampaJoe]

This is just nonsense. GOP propaganda. Neither party “came up with” anything. It has happened because both parties have looked the other way while poor people came here searching for a better life for their kids, and they were willing to do jobs that Americans didn’t want to do for lower pay. And the GOP is more guilty than the Democrats of failing to deal with it because they have cynically used it to their advantage with the type of propaganda you are spouting.

You destroy your credibility on here when you say this shirt.

And as far as I’m concerned you destroy your credibility when you pretend Biden’s border policies or lack thereof had nothing to do at all with the hundreds of thousands of undocumented migrants that flooded this country during his administration.

Nobody believes that. Except maybe folks on this board.

 

[TampaJoe]

Yes, are you? They don’t prove citizenship in many states. They prove identity but not citizenship.

Well identity is the first step isn’t it. Law enforcement can run your information pretty quickly once they know who you are.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A Los Angeles protester charged with assaulting a federal officer at a recent demonstration against immigration raids says he himself was brutally attacked by law enforcement and is strongly rejecting prosecutors’ allegations.

Jose Manuel Mojica, a 30-year-old born in LA, spoke to the Guardian on Wednesday at his apartment, two days after he was released from jail and charged with a federal crime carrying up to eight years in prison.

The father of four said he had gone to a Saturday demonstration in Paramount, in southern LA county near his home, after hearing reports of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) indiscriminately targeting workers and neighbors in his predominantly Latino community.

When he tried to de-escalate tensions between federal agents and protesters, he said, a group of officers took him to the ground, held him in a chokehold and pushed him into the pavement, causing a large contusion on his nose and bruises all over his body. His lawyer provided cellphone footage that partially captured the scuffle.

“We are not the violent ones. They escalated it. They are chasing down innocent people,” said Mojica, who lifted his shirt to show the bruises on his ribs. “There was a different way to handle the situation than to beat me.”

Mojica was one of nine people arrested and charged on Monday with federal crimes in a first wave of prosecutions tied to the protests against immigration raids in the LA area on Friday and Saturday.

In recent days, the US attorney’s office has charged five additional people whom prosecutors claim threw molotov cocktails, rocks and other objects at officers…….

LA protester charged with assaulting officer says he was the one attacked: ‘I thought I was going to die’

A father facing eight years in prison comes forward to the Guardian as lawyers and advocates say US prosecutors are criminalizing free speech and targeting people injured by officers

www.theguardian.com

 

[TampaJoe]

Yes, are you? They don’t prove citizenship in many states. They prove identity but not citizenship.

You are right. I stand corrected.

But if you are being detained as a citizen or as a legal resident, having a valid government id is the first step. LEO have other resources available to them to help determine status if they know definitively who you are.

 

[MT15]

And as far as I’m concerned you destroy your credibility when you pretend Biden’s border policies or lack thereof had nothing to do at all with the hundreds of thousands of undocumented migrants that flooded this country during his administration.

Nobody believes that. Except maybe folks on this board.

Spouting more of the same, when you have been given facts and figures in this very thread that dispute these spurious claims, doesn’t help your cause.

 

[MT15]

You are right. I stand corrected.

But if you are being detained as a citizen or as a legal resident, having a valid government id is the first step. LEO have other resources available to them to help determine status if they know definitively who you are.

What you are describing is sort of extreme isn’t it? Doesn’t the Bill of Rights guarantee you protection from unreasonable search and seizure? Are you advocating for what ICE has been doing? Since forever, BTW, not just under Trump.

Police do not have the right to demand ID from someone unless they are suspected of committing a crime. That’s a right everyone in the US is supposed to enjoy. We don’t have police demanding to see the “papers” of people without cause. The edit below is mine. Also bolding in second paragraph is mine.

“Though immigration enforcement gets more attention under Trump, ICE, since its modern creation after 9/11, has mistakenly detained, and sometimes deported, thousands of U.S. citizens under presidents of both parties. What has changed under Trump is the government’s (this should read unwillingness) willingness to admit, and correct, its errors. In March, the administration rushed some 278 deportees to CECOT, the supermax hellhole of a prison in El Salvador, in violation of a court order. One of these deportations was, by the government’s own admission in court, a mistake: Kilmer Abrego Garcia should not have been deported. But when a judge demanded the administration return him, it shrugged: He was in El Salvador; it was too late now.

Trump has repeatedly floated the idea of sending citizens to El Salvador, and the government making this sort of “error” with a citizen in ICE custody would be one way to accomplish that before the courts intervene. It’s getting easier to see that day coming. In his pursuit of millions of deportations, Trump and his crew of true believers have argued it’s time to remove the safeguards and put the deportation machine into overdrive. “The right of ‘due process’ is to protect citizens from their government, not to protect foreign trespassers from removal,” White House adviser Stephen Miller posted online in May. “Due process guarantees the rights of a criminal defendant facing prosecution, not an illegal alien facing deportation.” (Last week, the government blamed “a confluence of administrative errors” for deporting another man in violation of a court order.) Miller’s reading of the Constitution wasn’t particularly impressive — the Fifth Amendment states that “no person” shall be deprived of due process, not “no citizen.” His logic, though, was even more suspect: What do the protections of citizenship mean without due process? If you have no chance to argue your case in court, how will you convince anyone you’re a citizen if you’re arrested by mistake?”

Could You Prove You’re a Citizen?

For Americans wrongfully detained by ICE, it can be nearly impossible to escape.

nymag.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Immigration and civil rights organizations across the US are warning of a growing effort to undermine their advocacy work as rightwing lawmakers accuse them of fueling the demonstrations against federal raids in California.

Advocacy groups voiced alarm on Thursday after Josh Hawley, a Republican US senator from Missouri, threatened multiple immigration and civil rights groups with investigations over claimsthat they are “bankrolling civil unrest” in Los Angeles.

Hawley, who chairs the senate subcommittee on crime and counterterrorism, accused the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles (Chirla), the Party for Socialism and Liberation, as well as Unión del Barrio of their “alleged role in financing and materially supporting the coordinated protests and riots that have engulfed Los Angeles in recent weeks”.

As part of a letter he wrote to the organizations, Hawley, who was famously captured raising his fist in a salute to supporters of Donald Trump outside at the US Capitol on 6 January 2021, then later fleeing the mob after they invaded the building to stop the certification of Joe Biden’s election victory, said that “bankrolling civil unrest is not protected speech”.

He referred to “credible reporting” that the organizations were providing logistical and financial support to “individuals” engaged in disruptive actions, the Los Angeles Times reportedon Thursday, as Hawley followed up on a committee announcement in the House of Representatives that it will investigate 200 organizations it accuses of helping “inadmissible aliens” during the Biden administration.

The attacks on Chirla and others also came after advocates and lawyers rushed to advise people arrested and detained, and their affected family members, during the latest immigration raids in the LA area that sparked the most fierce protestsover the weekend, the LA Times further reported.

Hawley added: “You must immediately cease and desist any further involvement in the organization, funding, or promotion of these unlawful activities,” also demanding that Chirla preserve a slew of records including all internal communications, financial documents, grant applications and funding proposals.

“Failure to comply will result in additional action by this subcommittee, including potential referral for criminal investigation,” Hawley said.

In response, Chirla executive director Angelica Salas rejected Hawley’s accusations, saying: “Our mission is rooted in non-violent advocacy, community safety, and democratic values … We will not be intimidated for standing with immigrant communities and documenting the inhumane manner that our community is being targeted with the assault by the raids, the unconstitutional and illegal arrests, detentions, and the assault on our first amendment rights.”

Similarly, the United Farm Workers Foundation, which represents a sizable presence across California’s farmlands that are largely worked by undocumented workers, said that it “unequivocally denounces the disturbing tactics” brought forth against Chirla.

“Republican members of Congress are launching a troubling and politically motivated attack on non-profit organizations, including Chirla. These actions appear designed to intimidate and discredit the work of groups that serve immigrant communities across the country,” UWF Foundation said.……

US rights groups warn of Republican effort to undercut LA advocacy work

Josh Hawley, a senator, threatened multiple organizations with inquiries, claiming they were ‘bankrolling civil unrest’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

A Florida sheriff issued a stark message to protesters planning to demonstrate this weekend against increasing ICE arrests nationwide.

Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey warned in a press conference Thursday that if any protesters “throw a brick, a firebomb, or point a gun,” they will be killed.

“If you block an intersection or a roadway in Brevard County, you are going to jail. If you flee arrest, you’re going to go to jail tired because we are going to run you down and put you in jail,” Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey said.

“If you try to mob rule a car in Brevard County, gathering around it, refusing to let the driver leave in our county, you’re most likely going to get run over and dragged across the street.”

Protests against the Trump administration's ongoing immigration crackdown have been popping up across the nation after they first erupted in Los Angeles on Friday.

They are expected to continue through the weekend, in alignment with the president’s birthday parade.

“If you spit on us, you’re going to the hospital and then jail,” he continued. “If you hit one of us, you’re going to the hospital and jail, and most likely get bitten by one of our big, beautiful dogs we have here.

“If you throw a brick, a firebomb, or point a gun at one of our deputies, we will be notifying your family where to collect your remains, because we will kill you, graveyard dead.

“We’re not going to play,” he said.……

Florida sheriff warns protesters ahead of nationwide rallies: ‘We will kill you dead’

‘We will be notifying your family where to collect your remains, because we will kill you, graveyard dead,’ the sheriff eerily warned Thursday

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

A Florida sheriff issued a stark message to protesters planning to demonstrate this weekend against increasing ICE arrests nationwide.

Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey warned in a press conference Thursday that if any protesters “throw a brick, a firebomb, or point a gun,” they will be killed.

“If you block an intersection or a roadway in Brevard County, you are going to jail. If you flee arrest, you’re going to go to jail tired because we are going to run you down and put you in jail,” Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey said.

“If you try to mob rule a car in Brevard County, gathering around it, refusing to let the driver leave in our county, you’re most likely going to get run over and dragged across the street.”

Protests against the Trump administration's ongoing immigration crackdown have been popping up across the nation after they first erupted in Los Angeles on Friday.

They are expected to continue through the weekend, in alignment with the president’s birthday parade.

“If you spit on us, you’re going to the hospital and then jail,” he continued. “If you hit one of us, you’re going to the hospital and jail, and most likely get bitten by one of our big, beautiful dogs we have here.

“If you throw a brick, a firebomb, or point a gun at one of our deputies, we will be notifying your family where to collect your remains, because we will kill you, graveyard dead.…..

Florida sheriff warns protesters ahead of nationwide rallies: ‘We will kill you dead’

‘We will be notifying your family where to collect your remains, because we will kill you, graveyard dead,’ the sheriff eerily warned Thursday

www.independent.co.uk

So now he’s judge, jury and executioner? How authoritarian of him. Also, talking like Trump should be cause for him to be shunned from society. How embarrassing.

 

[Incumbent]

ICE is being reshaped to function the same way the Gestapo did. That is not an exaggeration. "Illegal aliens" is being used as a dishonest justification for the reshaping, but everyone needs to understand that what ICE is doing will be turned against anyone that the Trump administration fears, which is anyone who does bow down to them.

Tyrants do everything thing they do out of fear and they are afraid of everyone and everything which means no one is safe from a tyrant, not even the most loyal and obedient supporters and servants. That's because as soon as they get rid of one "enemy," their fear makes them start seeing non-enemies as new enemies.

I agree.

At this point, I just hope enough of us can overcome our fear or uncertainty, or to those it applies, their indifference or denial, and mount whatever resistance we can. The passing of time doesn't favor us and I'm not at all confident we will manage our way until midterms and then vote freely at the ballot box. I think this administration is already plotting ways to obstruct that. Congressional republicans have abandoned duty and our country, and sworn fealty to their king, so we are having to put a lot of faith in the judicial branch and effective enforcement of their rulings, and in local and state officials.

I'll keep saying it - the actions being taken by this administration emphatically affirm that these are people who expect to never again be on the wrong side of power and held accountable.

"If Trump can incite disturbances in blue states before the midterm elections, he can assert emergency powers to impose federal control over the voting process, which is to say his control. Or he might suspend voting until, in his opinion, order has been restored. Either way, blue-state seats could be rendered vacant for some time."
--David Frum, The Atlantic

 

[MT15]

I agree.

At this point, I just hope enough of us can overcome our fear or uncertainty, or to those it applies, their indifference or denial, and mount whatever resistance we can. The passing of time doesn't favor us and I'm not at all confident we will manage our way until midterms and then vote freely at the ballot box. I think this administration is already plotting ways to obstruct that. Congressional republicans have abandoned duty and our country, and sworn fealty to their king, so we are having to put a lot of faith in the judicial branch and effective enforcement of their rulings, and in local and state officials.

I'll keep saying it - the actions being taken by this administration emphatically affirm that these are people who expect to never again be on the wrong side of power and held accountable.

"If Trump can incite disturbances in blue states before the midterm elections, he can assert emergency powers to impose federal control over the voting process, which is to say his control. Or he might suspend voting until, in his opinion, order has been restored. Either way, blue-state seats could be rendered vacant for some time."
--David Frum, The Atlantic

I intend to go this Saturday for the No Kings march locally. I hope there is a huge turnout.

 

[Dragon]

So now he’s judge, jury and executioner? How authoritarian of him. Also, talking like Trump should be cause for him to be shunned from society. How embarrassing.

This isn’t law enforcement — it’s intimidation, and possibly incitement to violence. Someone should file suit immediately for issuing unlawful threats. And if he or his deputies act on them, this public statement becomes powerful evidence of premeditated brutality — or even murder. This kind of rhetoric has no place in a democracy. It’s a warning sign we can’t afford to ignore.