Will “mass deportation” actually happen (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[faceman]

State AGs need to try them on state charges, if possible.

absolutely.

Trump can't pardon state crimes. That's why he'll die as a 34 times convicted felon.

 

[Dragon]

Worth a thought....

 

[MT15]

 

[Optimus Prime]

A recently-married Texas couple has spent over 120 days apart after the bride was detained by ICE during their honeymoon in the US Virgin Islands.

Taahir Shaikh of Arlington says his wife, Ward Sakeik, was detained by ICE in February in St. Thomas, despite having a pending green card application and documentation of her stateless status.

“She’s considered stateless, which essentially just means you’re born in a country that doesn’t give you birthright citizenship. And since she was a Palestinian refugee that was born in Saudi Arabia, they weren’t recognized as Saudi nationals,” Shaikh told NBC DFW.

Shaikh said Sakeik was just 8 years old when her family arrived in the U.S. on a visa. Although their asylum request was denied, her lack of citizenship meant the government couldn’t deport them. Instead, they were placed under an order of supervision and required to check in with immigration authorities once a year.………

Texas man returns from honeymoon alone after wife detained by ICE

Taahir Shaikh of Arlington says his wife, Ward Sakeik, was detained by ICE in February in St. Thomas

www.independent.co.uk

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

Worth a thought....

I take comfort in the fact that the majority of Americans are against what Trump's administration, Republicans and ICE are doing and peacefully resisting it. Each time a poll is taken, the opposition against Trump's administration, Republicans and ICE grows larger.

 

[SFIDC3]

ICE agents are going to start getting attacked, because a lot of people are legitimately scared that some of the masked gunmen who refuse to identify themselves in any way are not actually ice agents, but KKK, Proud Boys, or one of the other violently bigoted white supremacist groups.

I'm pretty much convinced (or at a minimum would not be surprised) that a good portion of those masked ICE agents are white supremacists...and could belong to any of those groups.....

There was a reason they so quickly pivoted away from the white nationalist/supremacist threat in the LEO community.....and it's not a good reason....at all.....I hope this all gets exposed one day.....

 

[superchuck500]

This is classic Trump - sell a plan to do something cruel on the basis that the people harmed deserve it. And then just carry it out in a much wider fashion.

 

[superchuck500]

State AGs need to try them on state charges, if possible.

absolutely.

Trump can't pardon state crimes.

It's not as easy as it sounds - federal officers have substantial immunity against state crimes if the federal officer was carrying out federal authority. State charges get removed to federal court and a federal judge (not a criminal jury) decides if immunity applies.

Certainly with some of these bounty hunter types working "for" ICE may have some exposure to state charges - if they don't qualify as "federal officers", but the ICE employee officers have substantial protection from state charges.

 

[efil4]

It's not as easy as it sounds - federal officers have substantial immunity against state crimes if the federal officer was carrying out federal authority. State charges get removed to federal court and a federal judge (not a criminal jury) decides if immunity applies.

Certainly with some of these bounty hunter types working "for" ICE may have some exposure to state charges - if they don't qualify as "federal officers", but the ICE employee officers have substantial protection from state charges.

And that immunity is well know within which acts almost like an "aphrodisiac" for them. Not all, but those that dont, conform because they have to go along with.

I waw friends with a guy in HS that we all kinda figured to be LEO or Military career. He ended up LEO and we were all like "oh boy". ( he actually pulled me over once in unmarked car in Oakwood parking lot for driving up a lane wrong way ...a private parking lot. He didn't know it was me nor I him til he got out car)
Within a few years he got assigned to coveted JP narcotics task force. 2 years into it he was relieved of duty for multiple offenses against suspects ( mostly had to to with excessive use of force with some theft ). When guys like him get that "immunity feeling" they tend to push it to the very limit. Knowing they can always fall back on the excuse that the job comes with massive dangers that cause them to act in that manner.

It doesnt. It was already within, you just found the outlet for all your angst, anger and aggression.

Scares the crap out of me knowing these guys can do whatever with very little repercussion.

 

[superchuck500]

And that immunity is well know within which acts almost like an "aphrodisiac" for them. Not all, but those that dont, conform because they have to go along with.

I waw friends with a guy in HS that we all kinda figured to be LEO or Military career. He ended up LEO and we were all like "oh boy". ( he actually pulled me over once in unmarked car in Oakwood parking lot for driving up a lane wrong way ...a private parking lot. He didn't know it was me nor I him til he got out car)
Within a few years he got assigned to coveted JP narcotics task force. 2 years into it he was relieved of duty for multiple offenses against suspects ( mostly had to to with excessive use of force with some theft ). When guys like him get that "immunity feeling" they tend to push it to the very limit. Knowing they can always fall back on the excuse that the job comes with massive dangers that cause them to act in that manner.

It doesnt. It was already within, you just found the outlet for all your angst, anger and aggression.

Scares the crap out of me knowing these guys can do whatever with very little repercussion.

Yeah.

They could still be charged in the future if Trump doesn’t pardon them (it’s not guaranteed that he will) - and they also can still face civil suits.

But yeah, still - they’ve pretty much been instructed to act like this.

 

[Sendai]

Well, these aren’t ice agents. The one on the left is a criminal investigation federal agent with the department of the treasury. Anonymity might be a benefit to that role.

 

[faceman]

And that immunity is well know within which acts almost like an "aphrodisiac" for them. Not all, but those that dont, conform because they have to go along with.

I waw friends with a guy in HS that we all kinda figured to be LEO or Military career. He ended up LEO and we were all like "oh boy". ( he actually pulled me over once in unmarked car in Oakwood parking lot for driving up a lane wrong way ...a private parking lot. He didn't know it was me nor I him til he got out car)
Within a few years he got assigned to coveted JP narcotics task force. 2 years into it he was relieved of duty for multiple offenses against suspects ( mostly had to to with excessive use of force with some theft ). When guys like him get that "immunity feeling" they tend to push it to the very limit. Knowing they can always fall back on the excuse that the job comes with massive dangers that cause them to act in that manner.

It doesnt. It was already within, you just found the outlet for all your angst, anger and aggression.

Scares the crap out of me knowing these guys can do whatever with very little repercussion.

I have a similar story. I graduated HS with a man that eventually became a member of the Ms. Hwy Patrol. One night
on patrol he pulled over a car with a Texas license plate and the driver was a Hispanic male. The driver allowed him
to search the trunk. He stole money from a briefcase and sent the driver on his way without a ticket. He believed it was
drug money and the driver wouldn't say anything. I found an old article and the link is below. What the article didn't state was
the driver was a heart surgeon from Houston. He carried large sums of cash because he was a art collector. Auctions don't
accept personal checks and this was before debit or credit cards could be verified immediately. Te auction he was returning
from only accepted cash.

He was the exact type you mentioned above. Everyone expected him to become a police officer later in life.

Article clipped from Sun Herald

Clipping found in Sun Herald published in Biloxi, Mississippi on 6/6/1995.

www.newspapers.com

 

[MT15]

Well, these aren’t ice agents. The one on the left is a criminal investigation federal agent with the department of the treasury. Anonymity might be a benefit to that role.

He’s not on some undercover project - he’s in a public place arresting people. We don’t have secret police in this country and there are sundry excellent reasons for that. These guys are operating with zero accountability and if you don’t see a problem with that then you are also a part of the problem here.

Also, nobody said they were ICE agents.

 

[Bayouboy]

Has the media or any news outlet asked why so many ICE agents are wearing masks to cover their identities? After all, MAGA is steadfast against the use of masks to prevent the transfer of colds/flu/COVID so why the use in raids and such?

I'm not a historian and I've only done light reading into the subject, but the parallels of this administration to 1930's Nazi Germany are remarkable.

 

[Sendai]

He’s not on some undercover project - he’s in a public place arresting people. We don’t have secret police in this country and there are sundry excellent reasons for that. These guys are operating with zero accountability and if you don’t see a problem with that then you are also a part of the problem here.

Also, nobody said they were ICE agents.

A Special Agent with the Treasury Department might have need to be masked.

Plus, today with the very real doxxing threat to families of agents seems like a reasonable thing to do. And there is no official policy prohibiting masks.

ICE was mentioned considerably in the blue sky thread.

And you don’t wear a mask when operating undercover.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

A Special Agent with the Treasury Department might have need to be masked.

Plus, today with the very real doxxing threat to families of agents seems like a reasonable thing to do. And there is no official policy prohibiting masks.

ICE was mentioned considerably in the blue sky thread.

And you don’t wear a mask when operating undercover.

In other words, these agents have more rights than civilians.

- They have the right to conceal their identities.

- They have the right to abduct anyone they deem THINK to be "law breaker".

- They have the right to demand anyone's identity without any reasonable suspicion, supported by articulable facts.

The mere fact that these raids are being conducted, by masked agents openly against civilians, has put civilians at risk by providing bad actors a means to conceal their own criminal abductions under the color of law.

Are you comfortable with surrendering your rights so that the Government can accomplish their goals?

 

[efil4]

A Special Agent with the Treasury Department might have need to be masked.

Plus, today with the very real doxxing threat to families of agents seems like a reasonable thing to do. And there is no official policy prohibiting masks.

ICE was mentioned considerably in the blue sky thread.

And you don’t wear a mask when operating undercover.

You are aware of what the US Treasury LE duties are, yes?

They aren't there to bust up a counterfeit operation or snag someone for tax evasion. They are acting on behalf of ICE. Inter-agency cooperation is a thing and so they are adopting ICE policy when acting in their stead.

And that 4th agent in back has a distinct pronation in his stance. Might need some orthopedic shoes.

 

[Sendai]

In other words, these agents have more rights than civilians.

- They have the right to conceal their identities.

- They have the right to abduct anyone they deem to be "law breaker".

- They have the right to demand anyone's identity without any reasonable suspicion, supported by articulable facts.

The mere fact that these raids are being conducted, by masked agents openly against civilians, has put civilians at risk by providing bad actors a means to conceal their own criminal abductions under the color of law.

Are you comfortable with surrendering your rights so that the Government can accomplish their goals?

Civilians are free to wear masks.

As a general rule police/federal law enforcement have the right to arrest the “law breaker”. Kinda the job.