Will “mass deportation” actually happen (10 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Neiyerver Rengel’s captors came one sunny spring morning, lurking outside the apartment he shared with his girlfriend and pouncing as soon as he emerged.

The three government agents announced the young Venezuelan man had “charges to answer” and was being detained.

“Everything’s going to be OK,” the man’s girlfriend, Richely Alejandra Uzcátegui Gutiérrez, remembers the handcuffed 27-year-old reassuring her as she gave him one last hug.


Then Rengel was put in a vehicle and vanished into thin air: spirited into custody and, his family would later learn, dispatched to a detention centre notorious for torture and inhuman conditions hundreds of miles from home.

“We have to take him,” Uzcátegui recalls one officer saying before they left. “But if this is a misunderstanding, he’ll be released and given a phone call to contact you.”

That call never came…….

‘They disappear them’: families of the detained see grim echo of Latin American dictatorships in Trump’s US

Mounting stories of ‘forced disappearances’ of Venezuelans in the US have left their loved ones distraught and disbelieving

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sendai]

Nobody is objecting to actual deportations done with due process. We’re outraged that they are doing so in cruel and unusual manners, often with no due process. Often in a manner that is calculated to cause unnecessary hardship and trauma, especially to children. Sometimes they are doing outright unconstitutional and unlawful things. I’m sure there are far more cases of illegal searches and deportations than we are hearing about. The worst thing about this most recent case was arresting that judge. That was completely wrong. Especially since we have since read in the filings that the man and his counsel were followed out of the courthouse by an undercover officer and they used a public elevator and exit. Once he was outside he was detained by ICE, which is the way things have always been done. Arresting that judge will not go well for the DOJ, it’s ridiculous. She released a statement saying that nearly every single thing they have alleged is wrong. The press secretary of the United States is spewing lies about that judge. Of course she is flat out lying every time she steps up to the podium, her boss demands it of her.

I just read a small section of a court document about that Wisconsin judge. The man was never out of sight of federal agents. A DEA agent tailed him to the elevator and rode on the elevator with him and his counsel. The judge doesn’t mandate which elevators people who leave her courtroom use, those were public elevators.

Trump was himself given opportunities to leave via back routes from his days in court routinely. Even non-public methods of exit.

I don’t know how anyone can say this judge obstructed justice, this and many other Trump DOJ actions are purely political, with zero basis in law.

People like Sendai and Tampa Joe alleged that Biden was directing the prosecution of Trump, with zero evidence. Here we have the press secretary lying about the actions of a local judge, and Trump using ICE, FBI, DOJ to carry out personal vendettas against his perceived enemies, and not one peep about it. Well, except to defend his abuses of power.

The hypocrisy is simply stunning.

I never alleged that Biden was involved in the prosecution of trump.

 

[Sendai]

Nobody is objecting to actual deportations done with due process. We’re outraged that they are doing so in cruel and unusual manners, often with no due process. Often in a manner that is calculated to cause unnecessary hardship and trauma, especially to children. Sometimes they are doing outright unconstitutional and unlawful things. I’m sure there are far more cases of illegal searches and deportations than we are hearing about.

The worst thing about this most recent case was arresting that judge. That was completely wrong. Especially since we have since read in the filings that the man and his counsel were followed out of the courthouse by an undercover officer and they used a public elevator and exit. Once he was outside he was detained by ICE, which is the way things have always been done. Arresting that judge will not go well for the DOJ, it’s ridiculous. She released a statement saying that nearly every single thing they have alleged is wrong. The press secretary of the United States is spewing lies about that judge. Of course she is flat out lying every time she steps up to the podium, her boss demands it of her.

The judges arrest was bit much. But the judge should know that ice agents are free to enter courthouses to apprehend criminal immigrants. And a deported Immigrant who re-enters the country is a criminal immigrant.

 

[MT15]

I never alleged that Biden was involved in the prosecution of trump.

Okay, I will take your word for that. I said people like you and Joe though, not specifically you.

I do know for sure you were skeptical about the prosecution of Trump. But out of everything I wrote, that’s the only thing you have to say?

 

[MT15]

The judges arrest was bit much. But the judge should know that ice agents are free to enter courthouses to apprehend criminal immigrants. And a deported Immigrant who re-enters the country is a criminal immigrant.

ICE has never operated inside schools, courthouses or hospitals in the past. There hasn’t been any official change in that policy, or there hadn’t been at the time this incident occurred. There are valid reasons for that policy involving protecting the sanctity of those places for human rights reasons. People who need medical care need to trust hospitals, children who need to be educated need to trust schools, and people who are victims of crimes need to trust the US Justice System.

If this administration changes that policy, it will be yet another abuse of power.

 

[RobF]

I do know for sure you were skeptical about the prosecution of Trump. But out of everything I wrote, that’s the only thing you have to say?

Some people deal with a slide into authoritarianism by calling it out, with sources, quotes, and reasoning, and opposing it.

And some people deal with it by swallowing and regurgitating the propaganda put out by the increasingly authoritarian regime, willfully ignoring everything that contradicts it, and occasionally maybe mumbling, "Yeah, that one thing was a bit much."

 

[UriUT]

ICE has never operated inside schools, courthouses or hospitals in the past. There hasn’t been any official change in that policy, or there hadn’t been at the time this incident occurred. There are valid reasons for that policy involving protecting the sanctity of those places for human rights reasons. People who need medical care need to trust hospitals, children who need to be educated need to trust schools, and people who are victims of crimes need to trust the US Justice System.

If this administration changes that policy, it will be yet another abuse of power.

Trump 1.0

He used ice against protesters. It's his goto brown shirts. People who say they didn't expect his authoritarianism didn't pay attention the first time.

 

[bird]

Some people deal with a slide into authoritarianism by calling it out, with sources, quotes, and reasoning, and opposing it.

And some people deal with it by swallowing and regurgitating the propaganda put out by the increasingly authoritarian regime, willfully ignoring everything that contradicts it, and occasionally maybe mumbling, "Yeah, that one thing was a bit much."

Imo, those who swallow rationalize it by telling themselves “that stuff won’t happen to me, just to those others.”

 

[Optimus Prime]

The first few months of 2025 have been tumultuous for Sheriff Bill Rogers, the chief law officer of Columbus county in North Carolina.

In February, his department settled a lawsuitaccusing Columbus jail deputies of neglecting the care of a county inmate who was almost beaten to death in 2023.

Then in March, a group of Roger’s deputies were accused of assault during the arrest of a 57-year-old who claimed he was punched in the back of the head and left bloody after allegedly running a stop sign.

Those episodes follow years of scandal.

In 2023, Rogers’ predecessor in the top job was forced to resign – twice – after recordings emerged of him describing African American deputies on his force as “Black bastages”.

The department wasalso under a recent federal investigation over allegations of sprawling embezzlement.

Despite this track record, the Columbus county sheriff’s office scored a recent win under the new administration of Donald Trump.

On 5 March, the Trump administration accepted the sheriff’s department as an official partner in the all-out push by the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) to execute the president’s election promise of “mass deportations”.

Trump’s department of homeland security (DHS) signed a memorandum with Rogers known as a 287(g) agreement, which will empower the beleaguered department of Columbus county to help carry out the complex and controversial task of implementing federal immigration law and identifying residents potentially eligible for deportation…….

Trump officials increasingly recruit local police for immigration enforcement despite ‘red flags’

Agreements with agencies in 38 states resurrect aggressive tactics shelved more than a decade ago amid alarms about civil rights abuses

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Imo, those who swallow rationalize it by telling themselves “that stuff won’t happen to me, just to those others.”

Not just others

Others they either:

A: Don’t care about

B. Already hate

 

[MT15]

Imo, those who swallow rationalize it by telling themselves “that stuff won’t happen to me, just to those others.”

You should add the words “or anyone I care about” after “me”. Because that’s the truth of the matter.

Edit: Optimus beat me to it, lol.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Optimus Prime]

The ruling came in response to an American Civil Liberties Union lawsuit filed after the El Centro Border Patrol traveled to Kern County to conduct a three-day sweep in January, detaining day laborers, farm workers and others in a Home Depot parking lot, outside a convenience store and along a highway between orchards.

The ruling prohibits Border Patrol agents from taking similar actions, restricting them from stopping people unless they have a reasonable suspicion that the person is in violation of U.S. immigration law. It also bars agents from carrying out warrantless arrests unless they have probable cause that the person is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained.

“You just can’t walk up to people with brown skin and say, ‘Give me your papers,’” U.S. District Court Judge Jennifer L. Thurston said during a Monday hearing in Fresno that featured moments of heated exchange between government attorneys and the judge................

Judge restricts Border Patrol in California: 'You just can’t walk up to people with brown skin'

'You just can’t walk up to people with brown skin and say give me your papers,' a judge said in ordering the Border Patrol to halt warrantless sweeps in California.

calmatters.org

 

[bird]

The first few months of 2025 have been tumultuous for Sheriff Bill Rogers, the chief law officer of Columbus county in North Carolina.

In February, his department settled a lawsuitaccusing Columbus jail deputies of neglecting the care of a county inmate who was almost beaten to death in 2023.

Then in March, a group of Roger’s deputies were accused of assault during the arrest of a 57-year-old who claimed he was punched in the back of the head and left bloody after allegedly running a stop sign.

Those episodes follow years of scandal.

In 2023, Rogers’ predecessor in the top job was forced to resign – twice – after recordings emerged of him describing African American deputies on his force as “Black bastages”.

The department wasalso under a recent federal investigation over allegations of sprawling embezzlement.

Despite this track record, the Columbus county sheriff’s office scored a recent win under the new administration of Donald Trump.

On 5 March, the Trump administration accepted the sheriff’s department as an official partner in the all-out push by the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice) to execute the president’s election promise of “mass deportations”.

Trump’s department of homeland security (DHS) signed a memorandum with Rogers known as a 287(g) agreement, which will empower the beleaguered department of Columbus county to help carry out the complex and controversial task of implementing federal immigration law and identifying residents potentially eligible for deportation…….

Trump officials increasingly recruit local police for immigration enforcement despite ‘red flags’

Agreements with agencies in 38 states resurrect aggressive tactics shelved more than a decade ago amid alarms about civil rights abuses

www.theguardian.com

I’ll see your Columbus county sheriff and raise you our Portage county sheriff.

https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/courts/2025/04/12/portage-county-sheriff-bruce-zuchowski-partners-ice-immigration-trump-ohio/83047643007/

 

[bird]

You should add the words “or anyone I care about” after “me”. Because that’s the truth of the matter.

Edit: Optimus beat me to it, lol.

You are both correct.

 

[Sendai]

ICE has never operated inside schools, courthouses or hospitals in the past. There hasn’t been any official change in that policy, or there hadn’t been at the time this incident occurred. There are valid reasons for that policy involving protecting the sanctity of those places for human rights reasons. People who need medical care need to trust hospitals, children who need to be educated need to trust schools, and people who are victims of crimes need to trust the US Justice System.

If this administration changes that policy, it will be yet another abuse of power.

Under the Obama administration guidelines in 2011 courthouses were not restricted.

 

[Sendai]

Okay, I will take your word for that. I said people like you and Joe though, not specifically you.

I do know for sure you were skeptical about the prosecution of Trump. But out of everything I wrote, that’s the only thing you have to say?

I am skeptical of the New York State prosecutions. As to the federal charges i was skeptical of the legality of the special counsels appointment. I believe I espoused that any of the sitting District Attorneys would have been appropriate appointees to bring the cases forward.

“people like you”
You haven’t a clue

 

[RobF]

Under the Obama administration guidelines in 2011 courthouses were not restricted.

That's genuinely pathetic.

Not the ICE sensitive locations memo issued in 2011 that is, your dredging that up from somewhere - where, exactly? - misrepresenting it by ignoring all context and nuance as usual, and somehow thinking it matters here and now, fourteen years later in 2025, in the context of everything happening right now.

Actual nuanced information on the recent history of guidance relating to immigration enforcement at courthouses is available here, for example - https://immigrationforum.org/articl...at-courthouses-and-other-sensitive-locations/ - which notes that there wasn't a consensus as to whether courthouses fell under the 2011 memo or not, since that was explicitly not a definitive list, that the Obama administration further issued guidance in 2014 limiting actions in courthouses to "Priority 1 aliens", that the Trump administration removed that in 2017 by executive order and further felt the need to issue a directive in 2018 to explicitly permit and expand courthouse arrests, with the Biden administration issuing a directive in 2021 to restore limits on it.

Going backwards on that would obviously be a negative change and could absolutely be considered an abuse of power, especially when judges start getting arrested, for all the reasons discussed at length in this thread. That @MT15 wasn't entirely correct on ICE not operating in courthouses at all previously does not change that in the slightest. There have been, and are, guidelines explicitly limiting enforcement actions at courthouses.

But I'm sure you'll ignore all that entirely. Because everything happening now is totally OK. Because you read somewhere that a 2011 memo didn't explicitly list courthouses.

Hopeless.