Will “mass deportation” actually happen (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

There wasn’t any status change. There is a deportation order with a withholding from deporting to Iran. So the target deportation destination is now Australia or Romania.

It's immoral to defend what Trump and Republicans are doing.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I didn’t propose anything. Simply an observation on how things unfolded. An interesting twist. Nothing more.

It very much seems that everything you say regarding Trump and Republicans is very much intended to defend what they are doing. It's immoral to defend what Trump and Republicans are doing.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

There’s that fevered mind again.

Misogyny and bigotry toward women is not only immoral, it's just plain stupid. You should be banned for this comment. You probably won't be, but you definitely should be.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

An additional twist

“The move was part of a prisoner swap in which the Venezuelan government released "a considerable number of Venezuelan political prisoners ... as well as all the American citizens it was holding as hostages," Bukele said, in exchange for the Venezuelan nationals who had been imprisoned in El Salvador.”

So political prisoners were also released by Venezuela.

Men the Trump administration sent to El Salvador megaprison freed in prisoner swap

El Salvador released 200 Venezuelans held in a notorious prison in exchange for Venezuela freeing 10 American nationals and multiple political prisoners.

www.nbcnews.com

It still very much looks like you are doing your best to defend Trump and Republicans. It is immoral to defend what Trump and Republicans are doing.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Trump says he wants to deport 'the worst of the worst.' Government data tells another story
The latest ICE statistics show that as of June 29, there were 57,861 people detained by ICE, 41,495 — 71.7% — of whom had no criminal convictions. That includes 14,318 people with pending criminal charges and 27,177 who are subject to immigration enforcement, but have no known criminal convictions or pending criminal charges.

Each detainee is assigned a threat level by ICE on a scale of 1 to 3, with one being the highest. Those without a criminal record are classified as having “no ICE threat level.” As of June 23, the latest data available, 84% of people detained at 201 facilities nationwide were not given a threat level. Another 7% had been graded as a level 1 threat, 4% were level 2 and 5% were level 3.


“President Trump has justified this immigration agenda in part by making false claims that migrants are driving violent crime in the United States, and that’s just simply not true,” said Lauren-Brooke Eisen, senior director of the justice program at the Brennan Center for Justice. “There’s no research and evidence that supports his claims.”

Tricia McLaughlin, an assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, called the assessment that ICE isn’t targeting immigrants with a criminal record “false” and said that DHS Secretary Kristi Noem has directed ICE “to target the worst of the worst—including gang members, murderers, and rapists.” She counted detainees with convictions, as well as those with pending charges, as “criminal illegal aliens.”

Nonpublic data obtained by the Cato Institute shows that as of June 14, 65% of the more than 204,000 people processed into the system by ICE since the start of fiscal year 2025, which began Oct. 1, 2024, had no criminal convictions. Of those with convictions, only 6.9% had committed a violent crime, while 53% had committed nonviolent crimes that fell into three main categories — immigration, traffic, or vice crimes.


Total ICE arrests shot up at the end of May after White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller gave the agency a quota of 3,000 arrests a day, up from 650 a day in the first five months of Trump’s second term. ICE arrested nearly 30% more people in May than in April, according to the Transactional Records Clearinghouse, or TRAC. That number rose again in June, by another 28%.

The Cato Institute found that between Feb. 8 and May 17, the daily average of “noncriminals” processed into the system ranged from 421 to 454. In the following two weeks at the end of May, that number rose to 678 and then rose to 927 in the period from June 1 through 14.

“What you’re seeing is this huge increase in funding to detain people, remove people, enforce immigration laws,” Eisen said. “And what we’re seeing is that a lot of these people back to sort of the original question you asked, these are not people who are dangerous.”

Trump says he wants to deport 'the worst of the worst.' Government data tells another story

apnews.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[MT15]

Trump says he wants to deport 'the worst of the worst.' Government data tells another story
The latest ICE statistics show that as of June 29, there were 57,861 people detained by ICE, 41,495 — 71.7% — of whom had no criminal convictions. That includes 14,318 people with pending criminal charges and 27,177 who are subject to immigration enforcement, but have no known criminal convictions or pending criminal charges.

Each detainee is assigned a threat level by ICE on a scale of 1 to 3, with one being the highest. Those without a criminal record are classified as having “no ICE threat level.” As of June 23, the latest data available, 84% of people detained at 201 facilities nationwide were not given a threat level. Another 7% had been graded as a level 1 threat, 4% were level 2 and 5% were level 3.


“President Trump has justified this immigration agenda in part by making false claims that migrants are driving violent crime in the United States, and that’s just simply not true,” said Lauren-Brooke Eisen, senior director of the justice program at the Brennan Center for Justice. “There’s no research and evidence that supports his claims.”

Tricia McLaughlin, an assistant secretary at the Department of Homeland Security, called the assessment that ICE isn’t targeting immigrants with a criminal record “false” and said that DHS Secretary Kristi Noem has directed ICE “to target the worst of the worst—including gang members, murderers, and rapists.” She counted detainees with convictions, as well as those with pending charges, as “criminal illegal aliens.”

Nonpublic data obtained by the Cato Institute shows that as of June 14, 65% of the more than 204,000 people processed into the system by ICE since the start of fiscal year 2025, which began Oct. 1, 2024, had no criminal convictions. Of those with convictions, only 6.9% had committed a violent crime, while 53% had committed nonviolent crimes that fell into three main categories — immigration, traffic, or vice crimes.


Total ICE arrests shot up at the end of May after White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller gave the agency a quota of 3,000 arrests a day, up from 650 a day in the first five months of Trump’s second term. ICE arrested nearly 30% more people in May than in April, according to the Transactional Records Clearinghouse, or TRAC. That number rose again in June, by another 28%.

The Cato Institute found that between Feb. 8 and May 17, the daily average of “noncriminals” processed into the system ranged from 421 to 454. In the following two weeks at the end of May, that number rose to 678 and then rose to 927 in the period from June 1 through 14.

“What you’re seeing is this huge increase in funding to detain people, remove people, enforce immigration laws,” Eisen said. “And what we’re seeing is that a lot of these people back to sort of the original question you asked, these are not people who are dangerous.”

Trump says he wants to deport 'the worst of the worst.' Government data tells another story

apnews.com

But people are making huge amounts of money (our money). Money paid to detain and house these people. Money often paid to third parties with no bid contracts and no oversight. Money to emprison people who pose zero threat to the population.

It’s immoral, unconstitutional and evil, what they are doing. Supporting what is happening in the way it is happening is immoral as well.

 

[TampaJoe]

But people are making huge amounts of money (our money). Money paid to detain and house these people. Money often paid to third parties with no bid contracts and no oversight. Money to emprison people who pose zero threat to the population.

It’s immoral, unconstitutional and evil, what they are doing. Supporting what is happening in the way it is happening is immoral as well.

Well that is definitely new. So the government didn’t do any of those things in the previous administration? I guess these folks were staying in those hotels using their Hilton Honors points.

Lots of money was being made on both sides of the border during the Biden administration. Did you complain back then?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Well that is definitely new. So the government didn’t do any of those things in the previous administration? I guess these folks were staying in those hotels using their Hilton Honors points.

Lots of money was being made on both sides of the border during the Biden administration. Did you complain back then?

Never met a moral crisis you couldn't whatabout, have you?

 

[TampaJoe]

Never met a moral crisis you couldn't whatabout, have you?

I can think of two legitimate reasons you can't acknowledge reality. You either don't believe it or you don't wish to confront it. Which one is it?

 

[Sendai]

Well that is definitely new. So the government didn’t do any of those things in the previous administration? I guess these folks were staying in those hotels using their Hilton Honors points.

Lots of money was being made on both sides of the border during the Biden administration. Did you complain back then?

“New York City has been significantly impacted, spending $3.75 billion on asylum seeker shelter and services in 2024, with $1.31 billion covered by the state, according to the city's Comptroller's Office. The city forecasts spending $4.75 billion in 2025 on humanitarian crisis response for illegal immigrants, with the majority of funding coming from city and state resources.

Chicago has also become a focal point for migrants, with more than 50,000 settling in the city since August 2022, costing the city an estimated $574.5 million, according to the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

Massachusetts, spending around $1.1 billion annually on housing undocumented migrants, is now scaling back its use of hotels and motels as emergency shelters, signaling a shift in its approach, according to multiple reports.”

Fact Check Team: Illegal migrant hotels in the spotlight with taxpayers footing the bill

Congresswoman Nancy Mace has introduced the Alien Removal Not Resort Stays Act, aiming to terminate FEMA's Shelter and Services Program for illegal migrants.

cbs4local.com

It is a tad bit expensive.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Authorities detained a 15-year-old boy without a criminal record at Alligator Alcatraz amid the haste to fill up the Florida facility, according to reports.

As the state scrambled to open the controversial detention center, Alexis, the teenager, seems to have been caught up in the mix. On July 1, three days before the facility officially opened, Florida Highway Patrol stopped a vehicle packed with Alexis and his friends before handing him over to federal authorities, the Miami Herald and Tampa Bay Times first reported.

Alexis endured three days in the rapidly built facility consisting of tents and chain-link pens, his father told the Tampa Bay Times.

The Florida Division of Emergency Management, which oversees the facility, admitted he had been detained, explaining he lied about his age when officers stopped him…….

A 15-year-old boy with no criminal history ended up at Alligator Alcatraz

‘This is one of many problems with illegal immigration: individuals are in our country without any way to verify their identity,’ a spokesperson for the agency that oversees the facility said

www.independent.co.uk

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I can think of two legitimate reasons you can't acknowledge reality. You either don't believe it or you don't wish to confront it. Which one is it?

You are terrible at this. I never said it wasn't reality. I'm not a fan of stricter immigration laws, no matter who is president. I want the sitting president, whoever it may be, to champion pathways to citizenship for people who clearly want to be here and contribute. We are a nation built by immigrants, and I think it's short-sighted and foolish to engage in mass deportation. If the current deportation campaign were happening under a Democrat, I would be just as livid as I am right now.

 

[MT15]

“New York City has been significantly impacted, spending $3.75 billion on asylum seeker shelter and services in 2024, with $1.31 billion covered by the state, according to the city's Comptroller's Office. The city forecasts spending $4.75 billion in 2025 on humanitarian crisis response for illegal immigrants, with the majority of funding coming from city and state resources.

Chicago has also become a focal point for migrants, with more than 50,000 settling in the city since August 2022, costing the city an estimated $574.5 million, according to the Federation for American Immigration Reform.

Massachusetts, spending around $1.1 billion annually on housing undocumented migrants, is now scaling back its use of hotels and motels as emergency shelters, signaling a shift in its approach, according to multiple reports.”

Fact Check Team: Illegal migrant hotels in the spotlight with taxpayers footing the bill

Congresswoman Nancy Mace has introduced the Alien Removal Not Resort Stays Act, aiming to terminate FEMA's Shelter and Services Program for illegal migrants.

cbs4local.com

It is a tad bit expensive.

What we have been talking about is different than this. We had this conversation before. These are not undocumented folks. These are legitimate users of our immigration system. Asylum seekers and such. A lot of them come from countries the US possibly had a hand in destabilizing as well.

Presumably these are not the folks Trump has railed about, but his fascism will get around to terrorizing them, I’m sure.

You can complain about the cost, but when you complain about this, but say absolutely nothing about the billions upon billions just allocated to ICE so they can terrorize cooks, busboys and roofers, that says a whole lot about you IMO.

 

[MT15]

Well that is definitely new. So the government didn’t do any of those things in the previous administration? I guess these folks were staying in those hotels using their Hilton Honors points.

Lots of money was being made on both sides of the border during the Biden administration. Did you complain back then?

Yes, I actually did. But what Trump has done is an order of magnitude worse. He’s not actually trying to fix immigration - he’s blatantly using it to terrorize cooks, busboys and roofers. Farm workers and hotel maids. The very people Trump hires in his own resorts.

Defend it if you want, but that’s on you. My conscience is clear. I don’t like any of it.

There’s a right way to deal with it - that doesn’t violate people’s constitutional rights. Other admins were able to avoid human rights violations to a much, much greater extent than this. Now, they seem to go out of their way to violate rights. It’s ugly and immoral.

 

[TampaJoe]

You are terrible at this. I never said it wasn't reality. I'm not a fan of stricter immigration laws, no matter who is president. I want the sitting president, whoever it may be, to champion pathways to citizenship for people who clearly want to be here and contribute. We are a nation built by immigrants, and I think it's short-sighted and foolish to engage in mass deportation. If the current deportation campaign were happening under a Democrat, I would be just as livid as I am right now.

Okay. I believe those people who want to come to this country should do so by legal means. I don’t think they should be allowed to break lines in front of other immigrants who respect our immigration laws and this country enough to follow our immigration laws. I believe polling shows that many legal immigrants share that view.

I believe the prior administration implemented a policy designed to fail knowing full well how difficult and expense it would be to deport undocumented immigrants. They knew it and did so anyway. They suffered at the polls for it as they should.

I agree it is too costly and time consuming to deport millions of undocumented. So we need legislation to deal with the problem. Such legislation needs to codify the current border policy which has secured the border in order to prevent subsequent POTUS from acting as recklessly as the prior administration. Further it needs to provide legal status for anyone who has entered this country prior to 2020 provided they are working and have clean criminal backgrounds and are not otherwise affiliated with any criminal enterprises. If they want to work, allow them to work and pay taxes.

A pathway to citizenship can be part of the discussion but it isn’t a deal breaker for me. After all they claim they came here to work. I haven’t heard that they came here to vote. So give them legal status to do what they came here to do. Work.

That said. I am not opposed to a pathway but believe they should wait a number of years and then be reevaluated. They should not be allowed to break line in front of immigrants that followed the law.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Okay. I believe those people who want to come to this country should do so by legal means. I don’t think they should be allowed to break lines in front of other immigrants who respect our immigration laws and this country enough to follow our immigration laws. I believe polling shows that many legal immigrants share that view.

I believe the prior administration implemented a policy designed to fail knowing full well how difficult and expense it would be to deport undocumented immigrants. They knew it and did so anyway. They suffered at the polls for it as they should.

I agree it is too costly and time consuming to deport millions of undocumented. So we need legislation to deal with the problem. Such legislation needs to codify the current border policy which has secured the border in order to prevent subsequent POTUS from acting as recklessly as the prior administration. Further it needs to provide legal status for anyone who has entered this country prior to 2020 provided they are working and have clean criminal backgrounds and are not otherwise affiliated with any criminal enterprises. If they want to work, allow them to work and pay taxes.

A pathway to citizenship can be part of the discussion but it isn’t a deal breaker for me. After all they claim they came here to work. I haven’t heard that they came here to vote. So give them legal status to do what they came here to do. Work.

That said. I am not opposed to a pathway but believe they should wait a number of years and then be reevaluated. They should not be allowed to break line in front of immigrants that followed the law.

If someone lives here, works here, and pays taxes here, they damn sure deserve a say in how those taxes are spent. They get to vote.

 

[TampaJoe]

If someone lives here, works here, and pays taxes here, they damn sure deserve a say in how those taxes are spent. They get to vote.

There is a legal process for that. Follow the process and you are eligible. Circumvent the process and you are not. People who follow the process deserve citizenship.

If you want to change the process, there is a legal process for that as well. Requires legislation. Probably nonpartisan legislation. Until then folks who aren’t here legally may face deportation and would be ineligible for citizenship.

I think that is what the law requires.