Will “mass deportation” actually happen (6 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

It’s so repulsive to see people cheering for what is basically 80% the same thing as the Holocaust - different end result but otherwise very similar.

Economists have said it would tank the economy and cause inflation - notwithstanding the cost.

Is it going to actually happen or is this Build The Wall 2.0?

 

[TampaJoe]

I remember when denaturalization was first brought up here and some members shouted it down as typical lib panic and something that would never ever happen

If you intentionally lie or misrepresent your past in your records or application for citizenship, should you be allowed to remain a citizen? Do you have an issue with the law or is your issue with how it is being enforced? Or both?

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I remember when denaturalization was first brought up here and some members shouted it down as typical lib panic and something that would never ever happen

We've crossed several "will never happen" bridges.

 

[MT15]

If you intentionally lie or misrepresent your past in your records or application for citizenship, should you be allowed to remain a citizen? Do you have an issue with the law or is your issue with how it is being enforced? Or both?

Show us one time that is legitimate that this has happened.

What law are you speaking about?

Do you trust the people in this administration to be fair about applying the law?

For example: when my dad became a citizen he was quizzed by a local judge. He had to say all kinds of things. Most were true, but one thing he had to say was that he didn’t drink alcohol. That was a lie, he grew up drinking beer like almost anyone from Germany. He went on to serve in the Army during WWII, get married and have a family. All of us are responsible citizens.

But according to you, my dad should have been denaturalized because he lied about drinking beer.

This nativist horseshit is just that. It needs to stop. Quit carrying water for bigots and fascists.

 

[MT15]

Hiding what they are doing. Just like ICE covering their faces.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article309949250.html/

“A group of Florida lawmakers were barred from entering Alligator Alcatraz, the state-run detention facility for migrants in the Florida Everglades, Thursday afternoon.

Citing “safety concerns,” a representative with the Florida Division of Emergency Management, the state agency overseeing the detention facility’s operation, was at first hesitant to allow lawmakers into the facility. Ultimately, lawmakers were denied access after a back-and-forth that lasted more than an hour and told to return at a later time.

“I find it hard to believe that they have safety concerns for us but no safety concerns for the president of the United States when he was here just two days ago,” Sen. Carlos Guillermo Smith, D-Orlando, told the Herald/Times as he was trying to gain access into the site.

Denying access to lawmakers may run afoul of Florida law, which says members of the Legislature are allowed to “visit at their pleasure all state correctional institutions.” It’s the same case for the governor, all Cabinet members, judges of state courts, state attorneys and public defenders.”

 

[SamAndreas]

If you intentionally lie or misrepresent your past in your records or application for citizenship, should you be allowed to remain a citizen? Do you have an issue with the law or is your issue with how it is being enforced? Or both?

It depends Joe on what the lie is covering up, and coupled with that it depends on how long ago it was that lying got that person in. And if that person has been otherwise law abiding during the meantime.

A Nazi who was covering up that he'd committed mass murder, has no time limit before removal is off of the table, because our laws do not place a time limit on the crime of murder.

For the lie that you didn't break any laws while here on a tourist visa, and the law you broke was working here when that was a violation of law, I would say 3 years of otherwise being a good citizen is enough, Removal is is off of the table.

 

[TampaJoe]

Show us one time that is legitimate that this has happened.

What law are you speaking about?

Do you trust the people in this administration to be fair about applying the law?

For example: when my dad became a citizen he was quizzed by a local judge. He had to say all kinds of things. Most were true, but one thing he had to say was that he didn’t drink alcohol. That was a lie, he grew up drinking beer like almost anyone from Germany. He went on to serve in the Army during WWII, get married and have a family. All of us are responsible citizens.

But according to you, my dad should have been denaturalized because he lied about drinking beer.

This nativist horseshit is just that. It needs to stop. Quit carrying water for bigots and fascists.

I merely asked a question. I never said what I thought one way or the other. So there is no “according to you” in anything I posted.

But to the point. In fraud cases, a deferentiation is made between misrepresenting facts which are “material” to arriving at a decision and those that are not. So in the case of say a former Nazi, that association is “material” versus whether you father was 100 percent accurate regarding his alcohol consumption.

What is horseshit is the obvious chip you have on your shoulder. It interferes with your ability to have an intelligent discussion.

To answer your question. I don’t 100 percent trust anyone in government anymore than I 100 percent trust anyone in industry. That is why we have oversight in government and regulatory authority in industry. It is behind the whole concept of checks and balances. It is also a very good argument for the concept of a limited federal government.

 

[gummbo]

A Florida sheriff issued a stark message to protesters planning to demonstrate this weekend against increasing ICE arrests nationwide.

Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey warned in a press conference Thursday that if any protesters “throw a brick, a firebomb, or point a gun,” they will be killed.

“If you block an intersection or a roadway in Brevard County, you are going to jail. If you flee arrest, you’re going to go to jail tired because we are going to run you down and put you in jail,” Brevard County Sheriff Wayne Ivey said.

“If you try to mob rule a car in Brevard County, gathering around it, refusing to let the driver leave in our county, you’re most likely going to get run over and dragged across the street.”

Protests against the Trump administration's ongoing immigration crackdown have been popping up across the nation after they first erupted in Los Angeles on Friday.

They are expected to continue through the weekend, in alignment with the president’s birthday parade.

“If you spit on us, you’re going to the hospital and then jail,” he continued. “If you hit one of us, you’re going to the hospital and jail, and most likely get bitten by one of our big, beautiful dogs we have here.

“If you throw a brick, a firebomb, or point a gun at one of our deputies, we will be notifying your family where to collect your remains, because we will kill you, graveyard dead.

“We’re not going to play,” he said.……

Florida sheriff warns protesters ahead of nationwide rallies: ‘We will kill you dead’

‘We will be notifying your family where to collect your remains, because we will kill you, graveyard dead,’ the sheriff eerily warned Thursday

www.independent.co.uk

I’m assuming he said this in a German accent?

 

[TampaJoe]

It depends Joe on what the lie is covering up, and coupled with that it depends on how long ago it was that lying got that person in. And if that person has been otherwise law abiding during the meantime.

A Nazi who was covering up that he'd committed mass murder, has no time limit before removal is off of the table, because our laws do not place a time limit on the crime of murder.

For the lie that you didn't break any laws while here on a tourist visa, and the law you broke was working here when that was a violation of law, I would say 3 years of otherwise being a good citizen is enough, Removal is is off of the table.

I don’t disagree Sam. There is a difference between what is a “material” fact and what isn’t.

 

[Eeyore]

As pessimistic as I am, I'm surprised that I didn't have proposing indentured servitude on independence day on my mind.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/us/politics/trump-undocumented-immigrants-farmers-hotels.html

 

[Dragon]

As pessimistic as I am, I'm surprised that I didn't have proposing indentured servitude on independence day on my mind.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/02/us/politics/trump-undocumented-immigrants-farmers-hotels.html

I bet his hotels and resort will be first in line for "free labor"

 

[MT15]

I merely asked a question. I never said what I thought one way or the other. So there is no “according to you” in anything I posted.

But to the point. In fraud cases, a deferentiation is made between misrepresenting facts which are “material” to arriving at a decision and those that are not. So in the case of say a former Nazi, that association is “material” versus whether you father was 100 percent accurate regarding his alcohol consumption.

What is horseshit is the obvious chip you have on your shoulder. It interferes with your ability to have an intelligent discussion.

To answer your question. I don’t 100 percent trust anyone in government anymore than I 100 percent trust anyone in industry. That is why we have oversight in government and regulatory authority in industry. It is behind the whole concept of checks and balances. It is also a very good argument for the concept of a limited federal government.

Except we don’t have oversight due to the GOP - they turned away democratic lawmakers who were trying to exercise their right to inspect these facilities.

And yeahs I sure do have a chip on my shoulder. My daughter and granddaughters have fewer rights than I did growing up and the GOP is trying to take more rights away every day. And people like you have voted them in and continue to vote them in while excusing whatever they do.

Damn skippy I have a chip on my shoulder.

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

What is horseshit is the obvious chip you have on your shoulder. It interferes with your ability to have an intelligent discussion.

It's at this point that Rod Serling walks into frame and delivers a monologue about bias, introspection and self-awareness as a lead into:

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

I bet his hotels and resort will be first in line for "free labor"

It's well known that all of Trump's hotels and resorts employ people who are not here "legally." How many ICE assaults have there been at Trump's hotels and resorts?

 

[MT15]

I merely asked a question. I never said what I thought one way or the other. So there is no “according to you” in anything I posted.

But to the point. In fraud cases, a deferentiation is made between misrepresenting facts which are “material” to arriving at a decision and those that are not. So in the case of say a former Nazi, that association is “material” versus whether you father was 100 percent accurate regarding his alcohol consumption.

What is horseshit is the obvious chip you have on your shoulder. It interferes with your ability to have an intelligent discussion.

To answer your question. I don’t 100 percent trust anyone in government anymore than I 100 percent trust anyone in industry. That is why we have oversight in government and regulatory authority in industry. It is behind the whole concept of checks and balances. It is also a very good argument for the concept of a limited federal government.

So, the DOJ directive isn’t following the law. They are making up categories to suit their agendas. This admin is choosing to violate laws and norms every chance they get. Literally every day they violate people’s rights under the Constitution. Yet you assume they are doing the right thing and jump to their defense. And your weak-arse protestations don’t fool me, you are defending them nearly every time you post. At the very least you insist that what they are doing isn’t any different than what Dems do, which is clearly not true at all. At the very least this administration is threatening free speech by targeting anyone whose views they don’t like. They’ve already done it and this directive tells them to keep doing it.

From the article, emphasis mine.

“The memo from June 11 lays out the agency’s new priorities, emphasizing denaturalization cases alongside ending antisemitism and attacking sanctuary jurisdictions. Under federal code, denaturalization is only possible if the government has evidence that a person “illegally procured” their American citizenship, meaning they intentionally misrepresented themselves when applying. But the Department of Justice memo instructs the agency to also target naturalized Americans who engaged in financial fraud, furthered criminal gangs or drug cartels, face pending criminal charges, or threaten national security. Plus, DOJ can decide to pursue denaturalization for reasons outside of these new categories, as it sees fit.

“The categories set forth in this memo are almost limitless,” Mukherjee said, and noted that the addition of the caveat that the DOJ can pursue denaturalization cases at its own discretion suggests that “in essence, there are no limiting principles guiding who the Civil Division should not denaturalize.””

You Could Not Make Up Trump’s Latest Horrifying Immigration Court Case — Slate

The 6-year-old boy has leukemia and missed medical appointments while being held in detention, where his mother watched her son’s health deteriorate.

apple.news

 

[LA 2 L.A.]

So, the DOJ directive isn’t following the law. They are making up categories to suit their agendas. This admin is choosing to violate laws and norms every chance they get. Literally every day they violate people’s rights under the Constitution. Yet you assume they are doing the right thing and jump to their defense. And your weak-arse protestations don’t fool me, you are defending them nearly every time you post. At the very least you insist that what they are doing isn’t any different than what Dems do, which is clearly not true at all. At the very least this administration is threatening free speech by targeting anyone whose views they don’t like. They’ve already done it and this directive tells them to keep doing it.

From the article, emphasis mine.

“The memo from June 11 lays out the agency’s new priorities, emphasizing denaturalization cases alongside ending antisemitism and attacking sanctuary jurisdictions. Under federal code, denaturalization is only possible if the government has evidence that a person “illegally procured” their American citizenship, meaning they intentionally misrepresented themselves when applying. But the Department of Justice memo instructs the agency to also target naturalized Americans who engaged in financial fraud, furthered criminal gangs or drug cartels, face pending criminal charges, or threaten national security. Plus, DOJ can decide to pursue denaturalization for reasons outside of these new categories, as it sees fit.

“The categories set forth in this memo are almost limitless,” Mukherjee said, and noted that the addition of the caveat that the DOJ can pursue denaturalization cases at its own discretion suggests that “in essence, there are no limiting principles guiding who the Civil Division should not denaturalize.””

You Could Not Make Up Trump’s Latest Horrifying Immigration Court Case — Slate

The 6-year-old boy has leukemia and missed medical appointments while being held in detention, where his mother watched her son’s health deteriorate.

apple.news

Wish I could give you a thumbs up for informing everyone and a mad icon over what you are informing us about.

 

[TampaJoe]

Except we don’t have oversight due to the GOP - they turned away democratic lawmakers who were trying to exercise their right to inspect these facilities.

And yeahs I sure do have a chip on my shoulder. My daughter and granddaughters have fewer rights than I did growing up and the GOP is trying to take more rights away every day. And people like you have voted them in and continue to vote them in while excusing whatever they do.

Damn skippy I have a chip on my shoulder.

Your chip. Your problem.

 

[MT15]

Your chip. Your problem.

Yes it is. But I don’t have to have any respect someone who is helping to kill this country and its citizens. You’re the one who brought it up actually, so maybe don’t cry about it.

 

[TampaJoe]

Yes it is. But I don’t have to have any respect someone who is helping to kill this country and its citizens. You’re the one who brought it up actually, so maybe don’t cry about it.

I’m not the one crying. That would be you.

I think you will find this country isn’t quite so easy to kill. Lastly, respect is a two way street. I haven’t asked for yours and you haven’t earned mine.