Where is DeSantis? (1 Viewer)

[SystemShock]

Look at all of these rumors... surrounding me every day...

 

[SamAndreas]

The science on cloth mask has been known for a while. If it wasn't scientifically known, then you wouldn't know about it. So I don't know what you mean by the science is catching up to the counter culture. Certainly N95 and KN95 are the best choice if masking. Surgical mask are the second option, but it's also scientifically known that wearing a cloth mask is better than nothing at all.

I see plenty of people wearing N95and KN95 mask, especially with the emergence of the Omicron variant. I also see plenty of people wearing surgical mask. And yes, I still see plenty people wearing cloth mask. At the end of the day, it's a choice because we live in America. Again, none of us are as militant as you seem to want us to be for you to make logical choice and not decry it as being subservient/manipulated to/by government.

Insofar as protecting others from one's potentially "Covid infested droplets" a cloth layer is probably the best absorbent layer possible.

However insofar as protecting self from others potentially "Covid infested droplets" that have gotten through their mask, worn to protect me,

They are wearing a mask to protect me aren't they??? I'm wearing a cloth mask to protect them, not so good insofar as protecting me, but I'm mostly doing to protect them, so selecting a cloth mask is fine.

Not spewing potentially "Covid infested droplets," on total strangers seems very polite.

:-|

The truth be known I have a big bushy beard, the only thing I can hope for is that I can keep my potentially "Covid infested droplets" to myself by wearing a big flannel very absorbent all encompassing neck gator.

The first step for wearing a mask to protect one's self is to shave. Right now I'm not in the mood to shave. So insofar as protecting me an N95 mask is useless, the air will all go through my beard instead of through my mask, bypassing the mask.

So what I do is as good as it gets for me. And I'm doing all I can to protect others from my bad breath.

 

[zztop]

They are wearing a mask to protect me aren't they??? I'm wearing a cloth mask to protect them, not so good insofar as protecting me, but I'm mostly doing to protect them, so selecting a cloth mask is fine.

Not spewing potentially "Covid infested droplets," on total strangers seems very polite.

unfortunately not everyone thinks this way. A lot of "me first, screw everyone else" mentality.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

And yet you rushed to defend him? Telling.

I stated the facts of the situation. What's telling is that you have to imply that he is a traitor when the guy you support was cheering on an attempted coup. There are legitimate traitors to this country in Washington, they just aren't the ones you want them to be.

 

[Farb]

I stated the facts of the situation. What's telling is that you have to imply that he is a traitor when the guy you support was cheering on an attempted coup. There are legitimate traitors to this country in Washington, they just aren't the ones you want them to be.

Yeah, he was having sex with a Chinese spy, how long did that go on again and what committee was he on again? Feinstein had a spy as her driver for like 10 years. Those are facts, what you posted was just a theory at best.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Yeah, he was having sex with a Chinese spy, how long did that go on again and what committee was he on again? Feinstein had a spy as her driver for like 10 years.

According to the investigators, "Swalwell immediately cut off all ties to Fang, according to a current U.S. intelligence official, and he has not been accused of any wrongdoing."

I assume you have proof that he slept with her and engaged in any illegal activity?

Those are facts, what you posted was just a theory at best.

Maybe he wasn't cheering. Maybe he's just a spineless coward:

"Hiding from the rioters in a secret location away from the Capitol, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) appealed to Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser. Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) phoned Ivanka Trump, the president’s daughter.

And Kellyanne Conway, a longtime Trump confidante and former White House senior adviser, called an aide who she knew was standing at the president’s side.

But as senators and House members trapped inside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday begged for immediate help during the siege, they struggled to get through to the president, who — safely ensconced in the West Wing — was too busy watching fiery TV images of the crisis unfolding around them to act or even bother to hear their pleas.

“He was hard to reach, and you know why? Because it was live TV,” said one close Trump adviser. “If it’s TiVo, he just hits pause and takes the calls. If it’s live TV, he watches it, and he was just watching it all unfold.”

Even as he did so, Trump did not move to act. And the message from those around him — that he needed to call off the angry mob he had egged on just hours earlier, or lives could be lost — was one to which he was not initially receptive.

“It took him awhile to appreciate the gravity of the situation,” Graham said in an interview. “The president saw these people as allies in his journey and sympathetic to the idea that the election was stolen.”

Trump ultimately — and begrudgingly — urged his supporters to “go home in peace.” But the six hours between when the Capitol was breached shortly before 2 p.m. Wednesday afternoon and when it was finally declared secure around 8 p.m. that evening reveal a president paralyzed — more passive viewer than resolute leader, repeatedly failing to perform even the basic duties of his job."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mob-failure/2021/01/11/36a46e2e-542e-11eb-a817-e5e7f8a406d6_story.html

 

[MT15]

What about after they had to pull it from being used due to unforseen complications of blood clots, especially in younger females? That was dismissed as anit-vax propaganda until it wasn't.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/heal...t-jj-vaccine-pfizer-moderna-availabl-rcna8987

honestly Farb I don’t know if you are misinformed or if you are doing it on purpose.

They haven’t pulled the J&J vaccine. It’s still available and being used. They paused its use as soon as there were reports of blood clots so they could look into it and get the word out to the medical community.

Which they did, right away. The scenario you stated - that it was dismissed as anti-vax propaganda - simply did not happen. They did send out word about a way that these blood clots needed to be treated that is counter-intuitive to the way blood clots are normally treated. Once they got the word out, they resumed use of the vaccine.

You know who has a lot more risk of dying from a blood clot than a vaccine recipient? A person who has Covid.

I’m happy to answer your questions, but I simply don’t think at this point that you want to know the truth.

 

[Farb]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/judg...-covid-19-vaccine-paramount-public-importance

U.S. District Judge Mark Pittman of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas ruled on Thursday that the FDA must release all data submitted by Pfizer for its application for its COVID-19 vaccine’s emergency use at a pace of 55,000 pages a month. The FDA had requested that it be allowed to put out the data at a far lower pace of 500 pages per month.


Interesting, got to keep that money rolling in.

 

[Farb]

honestly Farb I don’t know if you are misinformed or if you are doing it on purpose.

They haven’t pulled the J&J vaccine. It’s still available and being used. They paused its use as soon as there were reports of blood clots so they could look into it and get the word out to the medical community.

Which they did, right away. The scenario you stated - that it was dismissed as anti-vax propaganda - simply did not happen. They did send out word about a way that these blood clots needed to be treated that is counter-intuitive to the way blood clots are normally treated. Once they got the word out, they resumed use of the vaccine.

You know who has a lot more risk of dying from a blood clot than a vaccine recipient? A person who has Covid.

I’m happy to answer your questions, but I simply don’t think at this point that you want to know the truth.

What are the long term side effects of the vaccine? Not saying there are, but there is not way to tell at this point, although the release of the FDA docs might help.

https://news.yahoo.com/study-sugges...EnJqy5BlmuGvV2MY91lY-HEmMTeOAMgKWWBURFZ8PKBsa

Nothing to see here I am sure, just a harmless side effect, they think.

 

[MT15]

So, I know your foil hat is firmly in place, Farb, lol.

Let me tell you what my brother told me this week. He is a PhD virologist who heads up a research lab at a major medical center. He doesn’t study respiratory viruses.

I wanted to ask him about the studies that often get reported on in the news that seem to contradict each other. He said we have let a situation develop in this country where there are so many medical journals that need content and they will publish anything. The peer review system is not in great shape, and for some journals they don’t really review their articles. Those in the research community know how to look at a study and find the issues, but news reporters and the public do not.

I also asked him about the VAERS system, because people who don’t understand how it works are using it to sow their misinformation. VAERS is a database of self-reported adverse vaccine effects. Self-reported is the key. Anyone, literally, can add a report to it. Once the report is there, the case is investigated. In our state at a public press conference the other day someone asked our head of the state health department about “all these reports” and why we were still vaccinating if there were so many reports. She was very clear - they investigate every single report from our state. Every one of them. So far, there hasn’t been a single death attributable to the vaccines.

That to say, there isn’t anything at all concerning about these vaccines. The mRNA vaccines will have a great impact on public health over the next years and for the good.

What would be the motivation to doubt them, honestly?

 

[Farb]

So, I know your foil hat is firmly in place, Farb, lol.

Let me tell you what my brother told me this week. He is a PhD virologist who heads up a research lab at a major medical center. He doesn’t study respiratory viruses.

I wanted to ask him about the studies that often get reported on in the news that seem to contradict each other. He said we have let a situation develop in this country where there are so many medical journals that need content and they will publish anything. The peer review system is not in great shape, and for some journals they don’t really review their articles. Those in the research community know how to look at a study and find the issues, but news reporters and the public do not.

I also asked him about the VAERS system, because people who don’t understand how it works are using it to sow their misinformation. VAERS is a database of self-reported adverse vaccine effects. Self-reported is the key. Anyone, literally, can add a report to it. Once the report is there, the case is investigated. In our state at a public press conference the other day someone asked our head of the state health department about “all these reports” and why we were still vaccinating if there were so many reports. She was very clear - they investigate every single report from our state. Every one of them. So far, there hasn’t been a single death attributable to the vaccines.

That to say, there isn’t anything at all concerning about these vaccines. The mRNA vaccines will have a great impact on public health over the next years and for the good.

What would be the motivation to doubt them, honestly?

I don't doubt that the future of the mRNA vaccine, I thing it could huge for public health in the future.
This is not the future, and I have have always had a severe distrust of the pharmaceutical companies as did most until they cranked the 'fear' up.

No one, not one person has died from receiving the vaccine? I have my doubts on that. (does that make me a racist, bigot or science denier?)

 

[MT15]

Not in my state, per the R director of public health. They investigate every report.

J&J isn’t an mRNA vaccine.

 

[wardorican]

https://news.yahoo.com/desantis-jokes-dems-strict-covid-201936749.html

I guess he too was trying to 'date' AOC on her vacation to Florida too. I tell you, people keep telling me how horrible Florida is doing with covid but yet those same people are going there for vacation. That seems odd to me.

Yeah, that wicked burn he gave sure was some great governance on his part.

DeSantis should just rename himself DePetty.

 

[MT15]

Dude! Glad you are back!

 

[SamAndreas]

Yeah, that wicked burn he gave sure was some great governance on his part.

DeSantis should just rename himself DePetty.

De means "The," and Santis is derived from the Latin word Sanctorum; The holey of the holeies.

What the cuss filter here would undoubtedly translate into "The Cleavage Crevasse"

 

[wardorican]

I would also like to add, what does it matter where DeSantis is? No one cared where Mayor Pete was.

What can DeSantis do, work in the testing centers, deliver cold medicine. I don't think those are responsibilities. He doesn't need to physically be there, it was only a week or so., not 2 months.

- He was actually with his wife for cancer treatment.

I know I'm way behind on this. I know I posted a poltically light version of this on SR, because I was annoyed at his multi-week absence from the public eye. So, some of this is current, some is past tense.

1. DeSantis is Governor. Pete was a smallish City Major a few years ago. He's currently secretary of Transportation, but is that an issue now?

2. DeSantis can mobilize the National guard, help get resources coordinated, re-open state run testing sites to alleviate demand, he can have a press conference. No, he waited weeks (it was more than one), before he sent his Surgeon General out there to talk about testing priority. i.e. let's not try to streamline anything, just tell people they really shouldn't get tested unless they're really sick... because people listen so well. It may be a little unfair, you're right, lots of work happens behind the scenes, but the reality is, we expect our elected leaders to go out in front of the cameras to tell the public what's going on, to take a few pointed questions, and basically show some competency. It builds trust.

3. If you read this, it's a cute play on words. But they day some lawmakers decided to question, where DeSantis was for the previous 2 weeks (previous to Dec 29th - 31st). He was with is wife on the 29th for a treatment. Not every single day those two previous weeks. 1 day. https://www.fox13news.com/news/ron-...reatment-while-critics-claimed-he-was-missing

Treatment, not treatments.

4. Love how they gotta throw AOC in there, because she went to Florida, to eat MASKLESS, outside. OMG, she was MASKLESS. Yeah.. outside. WHY WASN'T SHE IN NY!!!! Well, she doesn't run the state or the city. She is a US Federal Representative.. who basically creates laws (rarely) and funding/spending (less rarely) and throws out messaging (all the time, via social media, from anywhere).

 

[wardorican]

Dude! Glad you are back!

I know, I'm been so MIA.... my wife had spine surgery, I've been slammed at work. I just don't have the bandwidth to care about politics as much, let alone the of petty rah rah crap it mostly devolves into.

Right now, my daughter is eating standing up, staring at me, to get off the computer, so she can go back to gaming..lol.

 

[MT15]

Just glad to see you for whatever time you have! I’m going on vacation this Friday for a week, in case I go missing. Lol.

 

[wardorican]

So, I know your foil hat is firmly in place, Farb, lol.

Let me tell you what my brother told me this week. He is a PhD virologist who heads up a research lab at a major medical center. He doesn’t study respiratory viruses.

I wanted to ask him about the studies that often get reported on in the news that seem to contradict each other. He said we have let a situation develop in this country where there are so many medical journals that need content and they will publish anything. The peer review system is not in great shape, and for some journals they don’t really review their articles. Those in the research community know how to look at a study and find the issues, but news reporters and the public do not.

I also asked him about the VAERS system, because people who don’t understand how it works are using it to sow their misinformation. VAERS is a database of self-reported adverse vaccine effects. Self-reported is the key. Anyone, literally, can add a report to it. Once the report is there, the case is investigated. In our state at a public press conference the other day someone asked our head of the state health department about “all these reports” and why we were still vaccinating if there were so many reports. She was very clear - they investigate every single report from our state. Every one of them. So far, there hasn’t been a single death attributable to the vaccines.

That to say, there isn’t anything at all concerning about these vaccines. The mRNA vaccines will have a great impact on public health over the next years and for the good.

What would be the motivation to doubt them, honestly?

I don't doubt that the future of the mRNA vaccine, I thing it could huge for public health in the future.
This is not the future, and I have have always had a severe distrust of the pharmaceutical companies as did most until they cranked the 'fear' up.

No one, not one person has died from receiving the vaccine? I have my doubts on that. (does that make me a racist, bigot or science denier?)

Since we're talking about vaccines now, let's just go to the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

I will say this, without getting cute on semantics, at least 9 confirmed deaths have occurred after J&J/Janssen Covid-19 vaccination caused TTS (Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome). Now, TTS doesn't have to kill you, and now that they know about the issue, it's less likely.

Outside of that, 'reports' of death from VAERS is up to about 10,688, but I don't think any of those have been confirmed (what MT15 is probably meaning to say). So, 9 for sure. Maybe up to another 10,688. Amazingly tiny fraction compared to how many have been vaccinated. And I seriously doubt 10,688 died due to vaccination, as much as Farb seriously doubts that number is zero. I'd agree with him, it's not zero. But it's no where near 10,688. Probably an order or magnitude or three less.

CDC is providing timely updates on the following serious adverse events of interest:

• Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 5 people per one million vaccinated in the United States. Anaphylaxis, a severe type of allergic reaction, can occur after any kind of vaccination. If it happens, healthcare providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.
• Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. TTS is a rare but serious adverse event that causes blood clots in large blood vessels and low platelets (blood cells that help form clots). As of December 16, 2021, more than 17.2 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 57 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and later developed TTS.
  
  CDC has also identified nine deaths that have been caused by or were directly attributed to TTS following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. Women ages 30-49 years, especially, should be aware of the increased risk of this rare adverse event. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.
  • To date, three confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 470 million doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
• Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine is rare. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After more than 17.2 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine doses administered, there have been around 283 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of December 16, 2021. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many in those ages 50 years and older.
  
  Based on the data, the rate of GBS within the first 21 days following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination was found to be 21 times higher than after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines). After the first 42 days, the rate of GBS was 11 times higher following J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. Analysis found no increased risk of GBS after Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines). CDC and FDA will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.
• Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis is inflammation of the outer lining of the heart. Most patients with myocarditis or pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination responded well to medicine and rest and felt better quickly. As of December 16, 2021, VAERS has received 1,947 preliminary reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 years and younger who received COVID-19 vaccines.
  
  Most cases have been reported after receiving Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna, (mRNA COVID-19 vaccines) particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have verified 1,124 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. Learn more about myocarditis and pericarditis, including clinical considerations, after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.
• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 496 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through December 20, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 10,688 reports of death (0.0022%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records.