What happens to the Republican Party now? (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[coldseat]

I don’t disagree. What’s interesting is that the groupthink crew here has no idea that the rest of America thinks you guys are also nuts. But in your little bubble, you pat each other on the back for your insane ideas.

What are our insane ideas?

 

[tigerfan]

What are our insane ideas?

Tacit support for defund the police; Trump is a Russian puppet; belief that the Republicans not supporting a Democrat bill In the Democrat controlled Congress are the problem. When the reason it won’t pass is a battle between the far left and the moderates. And not acknowledging that there is a problem with the infrastructure bill not passing; and that the problem lies with the far left

 

[brandon]

Tacit support for defund the police

You mean having police do police work and not requiring them to do social work? Because that sounds like an effective pay raise for our police - less work for the same pay.

Trump is a Russian puppet

It's not quite this black and white, but you can't say there's not some smoke on this, right?

belief that the Republicans not supporting a Democrat bill In the Democrat controlled Congress are the problem. When the reason it won’t pass is a battle between the far left and the moderates.

I mean sure, there's disagreement between the dems on this, but if there were just a couple of Republican votes, it would pass. I don't think we're really assigning blame to Republicans on this, though.

 

[MT15]

Tacit support for defund the police; Trump is a Russian puppet; belief that the Republicans not supporting a Democrat bill In the Democrat controlled Congress are the problem. When the reason it won’t pass is a battle between the far left and the moderates. And not acknowledging that there is a problem with the infrastructure bill not passing; and that the problem lies with the far left

So, I don’t think you will find a whole lot of people trying to “defund” the police. But anyone who is paying attention to the times people having a mental breakdown are killed by police when relatives call for help can realize we need to change the way police deal with mental illness. It’s not all that hard to think we need to change things up a bit. In my mid-size city in a deep red state, the local police have started a pilot program hiring social workers to work with them to address these issues. This is hardly an insane concept.

I would suggest that if you think there was zero connection between Russia and the Trump campaign, you are the one who needs an intervention, lol. Nobody is saying Trump is a Russian puppet, but there were inappropriate connections and inappropriate actions taken by Trump both during the campaign and during his Presidency.

Nobody is saying that the entire problem with the legislation is Republicans. However, it is worth remembering that they failed to do anything when they had the chance on infrastructure. They failed to do anything when they had the chance to improve health care, and they are currently obstructing everything in Congress. They are even bottlenecking every Biden appointment thanks to Cruz, who is using the filibuster in unprecedented ways to block routine Administration appointments. It’s November and Biden hasn’t filled all of the jobs he needs to fill in the State Department.

 

[MT15]

Well, discovery in this case should be very interesting:

 

[MT15]

A little more information on this:

‘Giffords’ nonprofit—also called Giffords—had previously targeted the NRA in a number of complaints to the Federal Election Commission. Those complaints, first filed in 2018, went unanswered by the agency for so long that on Monday a federal judge granted Giffords the right to sue the NRA itself—opening a door that campaign finance reform advocates say had been locked for too long.

But it did not take Giffords long to act. One day later, the nonpartisan watchdog Campaign Legal Center Action, which has been working with the nonprofit, filed the new lawsuit in D.C. District Court.

The lawsuit centers around the allegation that the NRA skirted campaign finance laws—contribution limits and disclosure requirements—by using a network of shell companies to funnel money to Trump and other GOP candidates. The lawsuit also alleges that the NRA-affiliated shell companies illegally coordinated with Republican campaigns by using the same vendors and personnel to run ads for these candidates.

The lawsuit claims these vendors, which had different names when working for campaigns and when they were working for private companies, were “functionally indistinguishable.”

“They are led by the same people, located at the same address, and have no internal separation or firewall between the staff who work for each entity,” the lawsuit said.’

 

[zztop]

yeah I read about the NRA stuff this morning but I couldn't find a topic here about it and wasn't sure where to post it. "NRA" is too few characters to get search results. But it doesn't help that I can't remember if it was here or on the old PDB where there was a topic about the NRA. Will be interesting to see what comes from this. My personal opinion is the NRA has been pretty shady for a number of years now and has veered drastically away from the original intent decades ago

 

[JRad]

I don’t disagree. What’s interesting is that the groupthink crew here has no idea that the rest of America thinks you guys are also nuts. But in your little bubble, you pat each other on the back for your insane ideas.

This attitude is the problem.

 

[JRad]

Tacit support for defund the police

A: Not true, that’s just the narrative in (to use your words) “your bubble”
B: Can you, in your own words, define what ‘defund the police’ means?

 

[samiam5211]

Someone wearing a MAGA hat most likely can’t even articulate what MAGA means.

It’s a little much to expect them to explain CRT or “defund the police”

 

[tigerfan]

A: Not true, that’s just the narrative in (to use your words) “your bubble”
B: Can you, in your own words, define what ‘defund the police’ means?

This is actually hilarious now. The left comes up with the terms then you ask me to define them. 2nd time you’ve done so. They are YOURS

 

[MT15]

This is the type of crap that Rs in the House are pulling. They take turns, MTG, Boebert, Biggs, etc. they are all part of the Insurrection Caucus, and it shows. They don’t have any thoughts on actually governing, on doing anything to actually help the people of their districts. Just on being butt crevasses. All day long.

 

[MT15]

This is actually hilarious now. The left comes up with the terms then you ask me to define them. 2nd time you’ve done so. They are YOURS

It helps to know how the person you are trying to have a discussion with defines the terms of the discussion. And here’s why: in both of these cases, CRT and Defund the Police, Rs have taken the terms and redefined them to mean something completely apart from the original meaning.

To me, the real problem is that people like you, with all due respect, believe the lies that R activists tell about these issues completely. You don’t even try to cut through the BS and figure out what was really meant.

In the case of CRT, we even have the R activist’s own words about how he was going to “rebrand” CRT and make it mean anything he wanted it to mean. And you guys fall for it every time.

 

[samiam5211]

This is actually hilarious now. The left comes up with the terms then you ask me to define them. 2nd time you’ve done so. They are YOURS

If you are against something, you should at least know what it is.

 

[superchuck500]

This is the type of crap that Rs in the House are pulling. They take turns, MTG, Boebert, Biggs, etc. they are all part of the Insurrection Caucus, and it shows. They don’t have any thoughts on actually governing, on doing anything to actually help the people of their districts. Just on being butt crevasses. All day long.

They are performative politicians. They are not policy makers.

 

[Paul]

Someone wearing a MAGA hat most likely can’t even articulate what MAGA means.

It’s a little much to expect them to explain CRT or “defund the police”

When it comes to CRT it is best to hear what Derrick Bell, the father of CRT has to say.

"Bell spent the second half of his career as an academic and, over time, he came to recognize that other decisions in landmark civil-rights cases were of limited practical impact. He drew an unsettling conclusion: racism is so deeply rooted in the makeup of American society that it has been able to reassert itself after each successive wave of reform aimed at eliminating it. Racism, he began to argue, is permanent."

The Man Behind Critical Race Theory

As an attorney, Derrick Bell worked on many civil-rights cases, but his doubts about their impact launched a groundbreaking school of thought.

www.newyorker.com

In an interview Bell admitted that racism was permanent and permeated every aspect of society. This conclusion causes distress and consternation and there seems to be no end point despite the advances in legislation. Bell implied that determinism was in place and hence racism was forever despite whatever people did or did not do. This is depressing as hell.

In this interview (see video below) Bell affirms that racism is permanent and not an aberration. Bell firmly states that racism is not simply a pimple in the history of America. He claims racism is the fabric of America. The interviewer is baffled by this and asks Bell: "How could you say this without creating despair? This determinism cuts out every option other than despair". Bell responds by saying racism is like learning one has terminal cancer and the outcome can be accepted peacefully.

 

[JRad]

This is actually hilarious now. The left comes up with the terms then you ask me to define them. 2nd time you’ve done so. They are YOURS

No they aren't.

You're mad about CRT, but you can't tell me what it is.
You're mad about Defund, but you can't tell me what it is.
I've yet to see anything to back that CRT was pervasive in education/well known before it became some Fox talking point.

It seems to me you're mad, but don't even know why. I can't understand someone else's point of view when they can't tell me what it is. Just something to think about next time you say everyone who doesn't agree with you is a "groupthink crew".

 

[Paul]

No they aren't.

You're mad about CRT, but you can't tell me what it is.
You're mad about Defund, but you can't tell me what it is.
I've yet to see anything to back that CRT was pervasive in education/well known before it became some Fox talking point.

It seems to me you're mad, but don't even know why. I can't understand someone else's point of view when they can't tell me what it is. Just something to think about next time you say everyone who doesn't agree with you is a "groupthink crew".

The last thing the decent poor black people in the inner cities need is replacing police officers with social workers. The so-called -reimagining of the police is not a good idea. In any event, I know a lot of cops in Baltimore and they have now adopted on their own the hands free approach the left wanted. They are now mostly helping people (something they find satisfying) and they do not police as they used to.