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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    Paul, your first article surveys several different research papers and doesn’t support your view. The conclusion of that article is that conservatives and liberals are both equally susceptible to being prejudiced. This article seems to me at a quick glance to be written from a neutral POV and I emphasize, doesn’t support your claim.

    Your second “article” is an opinion piece and is written as such. It relies on one poll conducted by a right-leaning think tank. The poll is relying on self-reporting and the results have to be looked at with that in mind, not to mention the obvious slant of the think tank.

    Even so, Paul, I gave you examples of flying flags and putting up signs with obscenities directed at political rivals and harassment up to and including death threats and you counter with one poll that shows liberals are more likely to stop being friends with someone? Lol.
     
    Paul said:
    www.politico.com

    Why Liberals Aren’t as Tolerant as They Think

    The political left might consider itself more open-minded than the right. But research shows that liberals are just as prejudiced against conservatives as conservatives are against liberals.
    www.politico.com www.politico.com

    "A recent poll by the Survey Center on American Life at the American Enterprise Institute found that Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans to report ending a friendship over a political disagreement (20% versus 10%). Liberals are also “far more likely than conservatives are to say they are no longer friends with someone due to political differences” (28% versus 10%). However, “no group is more likely to end a friendship over political differences than liberal women — 33% responded they stopped a friendship over politics.”

    www.bostonherald.com

    Graham: Liberals preach tolerance – except when it comes to conservatives

    One of the most obvious misconceptions about liberals today is that they personify tolerance. The Oxford English Dictionary defines tolerance as “the ability or willingness to tolerate someth…
    www.bostonherald.com www.bostonherald.com
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    no one is ending a relationship or friendship because the other person wants lower taxes or fewer regulations
     
    MT15 said:
    Paul, your first article surveys several different research papers and doesn’t support your view. The conclusion of that article is that conservatives and liberals are both equally susceptible to being prejudiced. This article seems to me at a quick glance to be written from a neutral POV and I emphasize, doesn’t support your claim.

    Your second “article” is an opinion piece and is written as such. It relies on one poll conducted by a right-leaning think tank. The poll is relying on self-reporting and the results have to be looked at with that in mind, not to mention the obvious slant of the think tank.

    Even so, Paul, I gave you examples of flying flags and putting up signs with obscenities directed at political rivals and harassment up to and including death threats and you counter with one poll that shows liberals are more likely to stop being friends with someone? Lol.
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    Story of his life around here. lol

    I was going to respond to him with this quote from the Politico piece, but I'll do it as a response to you since it piggybacks off of your first point.

    "Brandt further speculates that one’s tendency to be open- or closed-minded affects one’s treatment of various groups mostly by acting as a group definition in itself—are you an Open or a Closed? Supporting this idea, he and collaborators reported in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology in 2015 that, although openness to new experiences correlated with lower prejudice against a wide collection of 16 social groups, it actually increased prejudice against the most closed-minded groups in the bunch. Open-minded people felt colder than closed-minded people toward “conventional” groups such as evangelical Christians, Republicans and supporters of the traditional family. And, unsurprisingly, closed-minded people were more biased than open-minded people against “unconventional” groups such as atheists, Democrats, poor people, and gays and lesbians. Research consistently shows that liberals are more open than conservatives, but in many cases what matters is: Open to what?"

    It's the paradox of tolerance. The more tolerant a group is, the more susceptible they are to being overrun or eliminated/marginalized by the intolerant. Being intolerant of intolerance is not problematic in and of itself.

    Or, to quote Michael Caine from Austin Powers in Goldmember: "There are only two things I can't stand in this world- people who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch."
     
    MT15 said:
    Paul, your first article surveys several different research papers and doesn’t support your view. The conclusion of that article is that conservatives and liberals are both equally susceptible to being prejudiced. This article seems to me at a quick glance to be written from a neutral POV and I emphasize, doesn’t support your claim.

    Your second “article” is an opinion piece and is written as such. It relies on one poll conducted by a right-leaning think tank. The poll is relying on self-reporting and the results have to be looked at with that in mind, not to mention the obvious slant of the think tank.

    Even so, Paul, I gave you examples of flying flags and putting up signs with obscenities directed at political rivals and harassment up to and including death threats and you counter with one poll that shows liberals are more likely to stop being friends with someone? Lol.
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    I will accept that vulgarity is evenly distributed in the political spectrum. However, I have personally observed a greater degree of intolerance for different points of view among the extreme left. And that is odd because traditionally they were very tolerant of different views.

    In 1964 Berkeley led the free speech movement. Today they do not allow conservative speakers on campus.
     
    I've posted this before -

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    Paul said:
    I will accept that vulgarity is evenly distributed in the political spectrum. However, I have personally observed a greater degree of intolerance for different points of view among the extreme left. And that is odd because traditionally they were very tolerant of different views.

    In 1964 Berkeley led the free speech movement. Today they do not allow conservative speakers on campus.
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    I would like to remind you of this:

    Paul said:
    Anecdotes are not admissible in a court of law or in an argument.

    I once jumped from the balcony of a 4th floor floor apartment and did not die. This is an anecdote.
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    Therefore, your post is 100% irrelevant. If you have an actual argument, share it.
     
    Paul said:
    Social programs paid by capitalists are OK.
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    What exactly does that mean? Do you mean to say that private social programs paid for and run by Capitalist are okay?

    Or are you saying social programs run by the government that rely on tax collection in a quasi-capitalist economy (like we have here in the US) are okay?

    This first one is just Charity. That does some good, but to expect it to sustain, function and provide for the basic needs of the populace are unrealistic.

    This second one is just a socialist program with a different name/spin.
     
    cuddlemonkey said:
    I would like to remind you of this:



    Therefore, your post is 100% irrelevant. If you have an actual argument, share it.
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    I agree, anecdotes are anecdotes, but they are useful to communicate a point.

    The old dogma was that liberals were vastly more tolerant than conservatives. However, this has changed and now some liberals are as intolerant as conservatives.
    onlinelibrary.wiley.com

    Political Intolerance, Right and Left

    Research recently published in Political Psychology suggested that political intolerance is more strongly predicted by political conservatism than liberalism. Our findings challenge that conclusion. ...
    onlinelibrary.wiley.com onlinelibrary.wiley.com
     
    coldseat said:
    What exactly does that mean? Do you mean to say that private social programs paid for and run by Capitalist are okay?

    Or are you saying social programs run by the government that rely on tax collection in a quasi-capitalist economy (like we have here in the US) are okay?

    This first one is just Charity. That does some good, but to expect it to sustain, function and provide for the basic needs of the populace are unrealistic.

    This second one is just a socialist program with a different name/spin.
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    The government collects taxes based on the income of a capitalist society. That is how is done in Scandinavia. With the cash and high taxes (they also have high taxes for the low income folks) they provide a generous safety net. Works well in small nations where there is a sense of kinship.
     
    Paul said:
    The government collects taxes based on the income of a capitalist society. That is how is done in Scandinavia. With the cash and high taxes (they also have high taxes for the low income folks) they provide a generous safety net. Works well in small nations where there is a sense of kinship.
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    In other words, you're fine with socialism, just don't like calling it that. Got it.

    How is that different than anything Democrats have proposed? And if it's not, why do you keep bringing it up?
     
    coldseat said:
    In other words, you're fine with socialism, just don't like calling it that. Got it.

    How is that different than anything Democrats have proposed? And if it's not, why do you keep bringing it up?
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    I do not mind social programs paid by a capitalist nation.

    I will never accept full blown socialism. It does not work!

    Social programs is not the same as socialism.
     
    Paul said:
    I do not mind social programs paid by a capitalist nation.

    I will never accept full blown socialism. It does not work!

    Social programs is not the same as socialism.
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    You never answered the question of are you okay with the GOP labeling "social programs paid by a capitalist nation" socialism as a scare tactic to turn people against it

    Is it okay? Yes or No?
     

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