What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Optimus Prime]

…….Since Floyd’s death in May 2020, Republican-led states have enacted laws expanding the definition of rioting to encompass protesters who stayed peaceful when others did not, protecting drivers who run over demonstrators that block roads and enhancing penalties against protesters who target oil and gas infrastructure and deface monuments.

The International Center for Not-for-Profit Law (ICNL), which tracks the legislation, has found that hundreds of proposals have been made by state and federal lawmakers nationwide, and more than two dozen signed into law.

The push comes as the GOP’s standard bearer, Donald Trump, campaigns for the presidency on a platform that includes suppressing protests.

He has vowed to deploy the national guard “where there has been a complete breakdown of law and order”, while simultaneously promising pardonsfor people convicted over the January 6 insurrection.

As president, Trump reportedlyencouraged the military to shoot protesters, and, this year, allies such as the speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, have said the national guard should be used against college students demonstrating over Israel’s invasion of Gaza.

If he returned to the White House, Trump could direct a militarized response to protests and pressure congressional Republicans to pass legislation that would impose nationwide penalties like those already in effect in Tennessee.

Tennessee is a thoroughly red state where the GOP holds a supermajority in its general assembly. Last year lawmakers temporarily expelled two Black Democratic representatives who staged a noisy protest calling for gun control legislation in the state house chamber.

In August 2020, Republicans passed a bill that increased penalties for blocking a street or sidewalk and created a new felony offense for protest encampments on state property, in addition to making disrupting a meeting a more severe category of misdemeanor.

The Republican governor, Bill Lee, justified the legislation as necessary to prevent “lawlessness”, and in the years since, he has signed two more anti-protest bills, one of which made blocking roads a felony, and the other of which expanded the definition of aggravated rioting and created a mandatory minimum sentence for people convicted……

In the past, disruptions had not been uncommon at the Knox county commission. Like many local governments, the body had just weathered a tense period as they dealt with the Covid-19 pandemic, during which protesters opposed to mask mandates would sometimes start shouting at them during meetings, recalled the former county commissioner Dasha Lundy.

The same thing would happen when people grew upset over zoning decisions, she said, but, to her knowledge, nobody from either group was arrested.

“I keep going back to the people who were not supportive of [mask mandates] and how they were interrupting our meetings, but they just so happened to be white folks,” said Lundy, who was the sole Black commissioner during her four years in office.

“They just tell them, be quiet, do this, whatever. They interrupted the meeting too, but we don’t want to talk about that.”……

If Trump wins the election, US protest movements could face serious crackdowns

Since George Floyd’s death in 2020, Republican-led states have expanded riot laws to suppress protesters. Trump has a track record of calling for militarized responses to demonstrations

www.theguardian.com

 

[Taurus]

…….Since Floyd’s death in May 2020, Republican-led states have enacted laws expanding the definition of rioting to encompass protesters who stayed peaceful when others did not, protecting drivers who run over demonstrators that block roads and enhancing penalties against protesters who target oil and gas infrastructure and deface monuments.

The International Center for Not-for-Profit Law (ICNL), which tracks the legislation, has found that hundreds of proposals have been made by state and federal lawmakers nationwide, and more than two dozen signed into law.

The push comes as the GOP’s standard bearer, Donald Trump, campaigns for the presidency on a platform that includes suppressing protests.

He has vowed to deploy the national guard “where there has been a complete breakdown of law and order”, while simultaneously promising pardonsfor people convicted over the January 6 insurrection.

As president, Trump reportedlyencouraged the military to shoot protesters, and, this year, allies such as the speaker of the House of Representatives, Mike Johnson, have said the national guard should be used against college students demonstrating over Israel’s invasion of Gaza.

If he returned to the White House, Trump could direct a militarized response to protests and pressure congressional Republicans to pass legislation that would impose nationwide penalties like those already in effect in Tennessee.

Tennessee is a thoroughly red state where the GOP holds a supermajority in its general assembly. Last year lawmakers temporarily expelled two Black Democratic representatives who staged a noisy protest calling for gun control legislation in the state house chamber.

In August 2020, Republicans passed a bill that increased penalties for blocking a street or sidewalk and created a new felony offense for protest encampments on state property, in addition to making disrupting a meeting a more severe category of misdemeanor.

The Republican governor, Bill Lee, justified the legislation as necessary to prevent “lawlessness”, and in the years since, he has signed two more anti-protest bills, one of which made blocking roads a felony, and the other of which expanded the definition of aggravated rioting and created a mandatory minimum sentence for people convicted……

In the past, disruptions had not been uncommon at the Knox county commission. Like many local governments, the body had just weathered a tense period as they dealt with the Covid-19 pandemic, during which protesters opposed to mask mandates would sometimes start shouting at them during meetings, recalled the former county commissioner Dasha Lundy.

The same thing would happen when people grew upset over zoning decisions, she said, but, to her knowledge, nobody from either group was arrested.

“I keep going back to the people who were not supportive of [mask mandates] and how they were interrupting our meetings, but they just so happened to be white folks,” said Lundy, who was the sole Black commissioner during her four years in office.

“They just tell them, be quiet, do this, whatever. They interrupted the meeting too, but we don’t want to talk about that.”……

If Trump wins the election, US protest movements could face serious crackdowns

Since George Floyd’s death in 2020, Republican-led states have expanded riot laws to suppress protesters. Trump has a track record of calling for militarized responses to demonstrations

www.theguardian.com

It's good that you understand what's going on Dasha. It's just tragic you can't do anything about it. Prepare to love Little Brother (because those in power are a distinct minority. Apartheid with 21st century technology.

Won't that be fun?

 

[LA - L.A.]

It's good that you understand what's going on Dasha. It's just tragic you can't do anything about it. Prepare to love Little Brother (because those in power are a distinct minority. Apartheid with 21st century technology.

Won't that be fun?

Yeah, Orwell couldn't have envisioned a world in which it's billions of Little Brothers that are watching everyone while serving as pawns to Bigger Brothers who think playing global Game of Thrones against each other is just good ol' family fun.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House, got tripped up this weekend by a question that should not have fazed a high-schooler with a moderate degree of civic awareness: Who won the 2020 election?


Johnson and other Republicans say the question is a trap. But it’s one they have set for themselves.


When George Stephanopoulos asked Johnson on “This Week” to acknowledge that Joe Biden had won the election and Donald Trump lost it, Johnson complained that the ABC anchor was playing “a gotcha game.”

He went on, “You want us to litigate things that happened four years ago when we’re talking about the future.”

Sen. JD Vance (Ohio) had used the same dodge a few days earlier, during the vice-presidential debate.

On a second pass, Johnson said, “Joe Biden has been the president for four years. There’s not a question about this, okay?” He added 185 words on all the topics this exchange was keeping him from addressing. At no point did he say that Trump lost or Biden won.


What’s absurd is not the question but the fact that it has to be asked.

All Johnson had to do to be able to move on to the topics he prefers was tell the truth, which can be done succinctly: Biden won. (He could have added an “unfortunately.”)

One reason the 2020 question keeps getting asked is that Trump himself won’t drop the subject. He recently claimed he won Michigan in 2020. He did not. A few weeks ago, he even said that only fraud had kept him from winning California……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/08/mike-johnson-jd-vance-election-denial/

 

[barbar]

Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House, got tripped up this weekend by a question that should not have fazed a high-schooler with a moderate degree of civic awareness: Who won the 2020 election?


Johnson and other Republicans say the question is a trap. But it’s one they have set for themselves.


When George Stephanopoulos asked Johnson on “This Week” to acknowledge that Joe Biden had won the election and Donald Trump lost it, Johnson complained that the ABC anchor was playing “a gotcha game.”

He went on, “You want us to litigate things that happened four years ago when we’re talking about the future.”

Sen. JD Vance (Ohio) had used the same dodge a few days earlier, during the vice-presidential debate.

On a second pass, Johnson said, “Joe Biden has been the president for four years. There’s not a question about this, okay?” He added 185 words on all the topics this exchange was keeping him from addressing. At no point did he say that Trump lost or Biden won.


What’s absurd is not the question but the fact that it has to be asked.

All Johnson had to do to be able to move on to the topics he prefers was tell the truth, which can be done succinctly: Biden won. (He could have added an “unfortunately.”)

One reason the 2020 question keeps getting asked is that Trump himself won’t drop the subject. He recently claimed he won Michigan in 2020. He did not. A few weeks ago, he even said that only fraud had kept him from winning California……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/10/08/mike-johnson-jd-vance-election-denial/

Man...why this is so hard for them?

My mom is friends with that guy and always talks about what a great man he is.

I'm like...by what measure? He is a lying sack of MAGA.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Why not just answer the question? if you really believe Trump won, then be a man and say it.. But they are too scared to say it out loud because the undecided don't want to hear it and they know that...

 

[Optimus Prime]

Why not just answer the question? if you really believe Trump won, then be a man and say it.. But they are too scared to say it out loud because the undecided don't want to hear it and they know that...

And scared to say Biden won because Trump and the base would turn on them

Damned if you do damned if you don’t so you just get a bunch of “why you bringing up old shirt?” and “quit living in the past”

 

[Optimus Prime]

Can someone explain this?
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Republicans may not be facing the uphill battle they anticipated in the 2024 presidential election as new polling shows more Americans are calling themselves Republicans than Democrats.

For decades, Democrats have outnumbered Republicans when it comes to voters’ party identification, giving them an edge in national general elections.

But polling from NBC News, Gallup and Pew Research Center show Republicans are catching up, or tied, with Democrats for the number of Americans who identify themselves with a party……

More Americans are identifying as Republican than Democrat

More voters are registered as Democrats but recent trends show a shift in self identification

www.independent.co.uk

 

[efil4]

Can someone explain this?
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Republicans may not be facing the uphill battle they anticipated in the 2024 presidential election as new polling shows more Americans are calling themselves Republicans than Democrats.

For decades, Democrats have outnumbered Republicans when it comes to voters’ party identification, giving them an edge in national general elections.

But polling from NBC News, Gallup and Pew Research Center show Republicans are catching up, or tied, with Democrats for the number of Americans who identify themselves with a party……

More Americans are identifying as Republican than Democrat

More voters are registered as Democrats but recent trends show a shift in self identification

www.independent.co.uk

LOL they polled 2000 ppl.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Can someone explain this?
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Republicans may not be facing the uphill battle they anticipated in the 2024 presidential election as new polling shows more Americans are calling themselves Republicans than Democrats.

For decades, Democrats have outnumbered Republicans when it comes to voters’ party identification, giving them an edge in national general elections.

But polling from NBC News, Gallup and Pew Research Center show Republicans are catching up, or tied, with Democrats for the number of Americans who identify themselves with a party……

More Americans are identifying as Republican than Democrat

More voters are registered as Democrats but recent trends show a shift in self identification

www.independent.co.uk

Peice of work is an accurate acronym for them. I checked Open Secrets to see who is paying them. Looks like most or all of their clients are GOP, specifically for congressional seats.

Vendor/Recipient Profile: Public Opinion Strategies

Public Opinion Strategies received $1,736,584 in reported payments during the 2024 election cycle. See a list of their customers.

www.opensecrets.org

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

thats pretty spot on.

 

[Optimus Prime]

You’ll never guess which side it is

Top fact-checker finally reveals which party lies more: Democrats or Republicans

Trump has twice earned the title of PolitiFact’s liar of the year, with 76 percent of his claims rated ‘mostly false,’ ‘false,’ or ‘pants on fire’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

What an butt crevasse

 

[Optimus Prime]

What an butt crevasse

The NFL running back?

 

[MT15]

The NFL running back?

I think that’s him, isn’t it?

 

[efil4]

The NFL running back?

Ex NFL RB.

Not unlike Antonio Brown...ex NFL

 

[fooferdoggie]

You’ll never guess which side it is

Top fact-checker finally reveals which party lies more: Democrats or Republicans

Trump has twice earned the title of PolitiFact’s liar of the year, with 76 percent of his claims rated ‘mostly false,’ ‘false,’ or ‘pants on fire’

www.independent.co.uk

the thing is, fact-checking does not work anymore. Because A, the people want to believe the lies, and B, people know it's fake but push it anyway because it benefits them.