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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    At least she’s out in the open about her fascism.

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    I've been seeing this argument more lately
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    One of the edifying side effects of the Trump era has been that, by making democracy the explicit subject of political debate, it has revealed the stark fact many influential conservatives do not believe in it. Mike Lee blurted out last fall that he opposes “rank democracy.” His fellow Republican senator, Rand Paul, tells the New York Times today, “The idea of democracy and majority rule really is what goes against our history and what the country stands for. The Jim Crow laws came out of democracy. That’s what you get when a majority ignores the rights of others.”

    Paul is a bit of a crank, but here he is gesturing at a recognizable set of ideas that have long been articulated by conservative intellectuals. Importantly, these ideas are not identified solely with the most extreme or Trumpy conservatives. Indeed, they have frequently been articulated by conservatives who express deep personal animosity toward Donald Trump and his cultists.

    The belief system Paul is endorsing contains a few related claims. First, the Founders explicitly and properly rejected majoritarianism. (Their favorite shorthand is “We’re a republic, not a democracy.”) Second, to the extent the current system has shortcomings, they reveal the ignorance of the majority and hence underscore the necessity of limiting democracy. Third, slavery and Jim Crow are the best historical examples of democracy run amok.

    National Review has consistently advocated this worldview since its founding years, when it used these ideas to oppose civil-rights laws, and has persisted in using these ideas to argue for restrictions on the franchise. “Was ‘democracy’ good when it empowered slave owners and Jim Crow racists?,” asked NR’s David Harsanyi. Majority rule “sounds like a wonderful thing … if you haven’t met the average American voter,” argued NR’s Kevin Williamson, rebutting the horrifying ideal of majority rule with the knock-down argument: “If we’d had a fair and open national plebiscite about slavery on December 6, 1865, slavery would have won in a landslide.”.............

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    They want minority rule on the basis of party affiliation because they know they can’t win long term on the national level anymore.

    They have minority rule of the SC at 6-3. They control the Senate because of the filibuster and 2 Sen/state design.

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    Blue states will implement ranked choice and anti-gerrymandering policies which will help Repubs. Red states will do none of that. We need national voting reform.

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    superchuck500 said:
    Normalized violence justified by whatever the person says is in the nation’s interest. I wonder how we got here? :scratch:
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    I wonder how long before another Tim McVeigh pulls off a mass casualty act of terrorism.
     
    Oh, me too, but it seems to be where this is all headed.
     
    (I guess this all just materialized in the past 6 months and none was happening when Trump was president)

    House Republican leaders would like everyone to know that the nation is in crisis.

    There is an economic crisis, they say, with rising prices and overly generous unemployment benefits; a national security crisis; a border security crisis, with its attendant homeland security crisis, humanitarian crisis and public health crisis; and a separate energy crisis.

    Pressed Tuesday on whether the nation is really so beleaguered, the No. 2 Republican in the House, Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, thought of still more crises: anti-Semitism in the Democratic ranks, “yet another crisis,” he asserted, and a labor shortage crisis.

    “Unfortunately, they’re all real,” he said capping a 25-minute news conference in which the word “crisis” was used once a minute, “and they’re all being caused by President Biden’s actions.”
     
    Oh look, a mini-MTG in the making no doubt thanks to how her parents are 'raising her'...
     
    Every time this troglodyte mouth breathes into a mic, it's as if millions of neurons suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced... pLaN b DoEs NoT cAuSe AbOrTiOnS...
     
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    It’s probably difficult to be that uninformed, isn’t it? You would think she’d say something correct every once in a while just due to randomness.
     
    Are the GOP and the military going through a nasty divorce?
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    If the GOP is supposed to be the pro-military party, former president Donald Trump didn’t get the memo. He raged at his generals for supporting alliances such as NATO and resisting his demands to “crack” the “skulls” of civil rights demonstrators.

    While reveling in military parades and props, Trump reportedly denounced top generals as “dopes and babies” and troops who fell in battle as “suckers” and “losers.”


    Now Trump’s ideological heirs are carrying on his odious battle against the military. Fox News host Tucker Carlson — a grizzled veteran of the culture wars — kicked off the latest offensive in March when he criticized an Air Force flight suit for pregnant women.

    “It’s a mockery of the U.S. military,” he complained and went on to grumble that the U.S. armed forces are becoming “more feminine” while “China’s military becomes more masculine.”


    In May, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) posted an Internet video that contrasted muscular Russian soldiers doing push-ups and jumping out of airplanes with a female U.S. soldier who was raised by two mothers. “Holy crap,” Cruz tweeted. “Perhaps a woke, emasculated military is not the best idea.”

    Cruz then doubled down on his homophobia, accusing “Dem politicians & woke media” of “trying to turn” the armed forces “into pansies.” Promoting Russian propaganda to own the “libs” — brilliant!
At a hearing of the House Armed Services Committee last week,

    Republicans expressed outrage that an elective course at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point includes information about critical race theory and “white rage.”

    This prompted a memorable rebuke from Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
“I personally find it offensive that we are accusing the United States military … of being ‘woke’ or something else because we’re studying some theories that are out there,” Milley said. “I want to understand white rage — and I’m White. What is it that caused thousands of people to assault this building and try to overturn the Constitution of the United States of America?”

    The general’s explanation hit a little too close to home for a TV personality who personifies “white rage” while denying its existence.

    On Thursday night, Carlson responded by calling Milley — a combat veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan with degrees from Princeton and Columbia University — “unimpressive.” “He’s not just a pig,” Carlson opined, “he’s stupid.”

    His Fox colleague Laura Ingraham, taking a break from maligning Democrats for supposedly defunding the police, called on Congress to defund the military.

    Meanwhile, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), taking a break from defending himself against allegations of sex trafficking, tweeted: “With Generals like this it’s no wonder we’ve fought considerably more wars than we’ve won.”………

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Are the GOP and the military going through a nasty divorce?
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    If the GOP is supposed to be the pro-military party, former president Donald Trump didn’t get the memo. He raged at his generals for supporting alliances such as NATO and resisting his demands to “crack” the “skulls” of civil rights demonstrators.

    While reveling in military parades and props, Trump reportedly denounced top generals as “dopes and babies” and troops who fell in battle as “suckers” and “losers.”


    Now Trump’s ideological heirs are carrying on his odious battle against the military. Fox News host Tucker Carlson — a grizzled veteran of the culture wars — kicked off the latest offensive in March when he criticized an Air Force flight suit for pregnant women.

    “It’s a mockery of the U.S. military,” he complained and went on to grumble that the U.S. armed forces are becoming “more feminine” while “China’s military becomes more masculine.”


    In May, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) posted an Internet video that contrasted muscular Russian soldiers doing push-ups and jumping out of airplanes with a female U.S. soldier who was raised by two mothers. “Holy crap,” Cruz tweeted. “Perhaps a woke, emasculated military is not the best idea.”

    Cruz then doubled down on his homophobia, accusing “Dem politicians & woke media” of “trying to turn” the armed forces “into pansies.” Promoting Russian propaganda to own the “libs” — brilliant!
At a hearing of the House Armed Services Committee last week,

    Republicans expressed outrage that an elective course at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point includes information about critical race theory and “white rage.”

    This prompted a memorable rebuke from Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
“I personally find it offensive that we are accusing the United States military … of being ‘woke’ or something else because we’re studying some theories that are out there,” Milley said. “I want to understand white rage — and I’m White. What is it that caused thousands of people to assault this building and try to overturn the Constitution of the United States of America?”

    The general’s explanation hit a little too close to home for a TV personality who personifies “white rage” while denying its existence.

    On Thursday night, Carlson responded by calling Milley — a combat veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan with degrees from Princeton and Columbia University — “unimpressive.” “He’s not just a pig,” Carlson opined, “he’s stupid.”

    His Fox colleague Laura Ingraham, taking a break from maligning Democrats for supposedly defunding the police, called on Congress to defund the military.

    Meanwhile, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.), taking a break from defending himself against allegations of sex trafficking, tweeted: “With Generals like this it’s no wonder we’ve fought considerably more wars than we’ve won.”………

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    About the only thing I agree with is defunding the military, but not for the reasons they think. There's an awful lot of bloat, and room to cut some of the redundant fat that currently exists. The military has started doing some of that, but they're more or less just moving money around than really cutting. I don't buy the wokeism and stuff the military is being accused of. It's pretty silly tbh. Typical Republican culture wars. Meh.
     

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