What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[MT15]

Putting this here - it doesn’t need its own thread, but just shows how people use clips to reinforce confirmation bias. What was it about Biden’s past behavior that would ever lead someone to assume that he had ignored these veterans? Nobody who has paid any attention to Biden would ever think that he would do that. Yet this person takes to Twitter trying to say that Biden snubbed them based on a short clip.



Edit to add: after I posted this I went to what I assumed was a random Twitter person’s profile and found out he is a GOP operative who used to work for Rubio. He is just as dishonest as his former boss.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Classy
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Two former law enforcement officers who defended the U.S. Capitol from rioters during the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection were jeered by state GOP lawmakers as they visited Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives on Wednesday, according to several Democratic lawmakers present.

Former U.S. Capitol Police officer Harry Dunn and former sergeant Aquilino Gonell were introduced on the floor Wednesday as “heroes”by House Speaker Joanna McClinton (D) for having “bravely defended democracy in the United States Capitol against rioters and insurrection on Jan. 6.”

As the two men — both of whom were injured by rioters on Jan. 6 — were introduced, the House floor descended into chaos. According to Democratic lawmakers, several GOP lawmakers hissed and booed, with a number of Republicans walking out of the chamber in protest.……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/06/pennsylvania-house-republicans-capitol-walkout/

 

[DaveXA]

Classy
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Two former law enforcement officers who defended the U.S. Capitol from rioters during the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection were jeered by state GOP lawmakers as they visited Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives on Wednesday, according to several Democratic lawmakers present.

Former U.S. Capitol Police officer Harry Dunn and former sergeant Aquilino Gonell were introduced on the floor Wednesday as “heroes”by House Speaker Joanna McClinton (D) for having “bravely defended democracy in the United States Capitol against rioters and insurrection on Jan. 6.”

As the two men — both of whom were injured by rioters on Jan. 6 — were introduced, the House floor descended into chaos. According to Democratic lawmakers, several GOP lawmakers hissed and booed, with a number of Republicans walking out of the chamber in protest.……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/06/06/pennsylvania-house-republicans-capitol-walkout/

Shameful...ugh.

 

[coldseat]

Republicans don't like it when Christians actually practice the faith earnestly and humbly.

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EL PASO — Wilson Alexander Juárez Hernández crossed the border on a stretcher.
He could not speak or walk. He’d lost so much weight that his fragile, skeletal frame jutted out from his skin. His legs and hands were twisted and locked defensively into a fetal position.

For three months he’d languished in a hospital bed in the border city of Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, a ventilator pushing oxygen in and out of his weakened lungs. Forty people had died during the fire at an overcrowded Mexican detention center for migrants last spring. He survived, but now he faced a long recovery and the possibility of never walking again.

The United States agreed to grant him humanitarian parole so that he could enter the country and be treated by specialists in Texas, but he’d need ongoing therapeutic care, the kind that is hard for many Americans to get, let alone an immigrant.

Who might take him in?
“How could I say no?” recounted Ruben Garcia, looking at Wilson, who sat in a wheelchair before him. “There was no one else.”

The influential patriarch of Annunciation House, a faith-based network of shelters based in El Paso, Garcia has taken in tens of thousands of undocumented immigrants he calls “guests” for nearly five decades. Working in collaboration with U.S. immigration officials, he provides them food, clothes and a first home in the United States, and some of his expenses are reimbursed by the federal government. It’s work he sees as a religious calling — to help the most vulnerable, no matter how they arrived.

But as Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) clamps down on illegal immigration, state investigators are raising questions about Garcia’s humanitarian work. In court records, they contend that his shelters are “stash houses” sheltering the undocumented from authorities.

Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) is asking a judge to shut down Garcia’s Annunciation House shelters and force him to turn over all of his organization’s records — including the names of people he is housing. Garcia has refused, setting up a legal battle between the state of Texas and a religious leader whose work is key to the federal government’s management of border crossings and who has drawn praise from the highest echelons of the Catholic Church.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/06/06/texas-border-abbott-immigration-shelters/

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Republicans don't like it when Christians actually practice the faith earnestly and humbly.

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EL PASO — Wilson Alexander Juárez Hernández crossed the border on a stretcher.
He could not speak or walk. He’d lost so much weight that his fragile, skeletal frame jutted out from his skin. His legs and hands were twisted and locked defensively into a fetal position.

For three months he’d languished in a hospital bed in the border city of Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, a ventilator pushing oxygen in and out of his weakened lungs. Forty people had died during the fire at an overcrowded Mexican detention center for migrants last spring. He survived, but now he faced a long recovery and the possibility of never walking again.

The United States agreed to grant him humanitarian parole so that he could enter the country and be treated by specialists in Texas, but he’d need ongoing therapeutic care, the kind that is hard for many Americans to get, let alone an immigrant.

Who might take him in?
“How could I say no?” recounted Ruben Garcia, looking at Wilson, who sat in a wheelchair before him. “There was no one else.”

The influential patriarch of Annunciation House, a faith-based network of shelters based in El Paso, Garcia has taken in tens of thousands of undocumented immigrants he calls “guests” for nearly five decades. Working in collaboration with U.S. immigration officials, he provides them food, clothes and a first home in the United States, and some of his expenses are reimbursed by the federal government. It’s work he sees as a religious calling — to help the most vulnerable, no matter how they arrived.

But as Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) clamps down on illegal immigration, state investigators are raising questions about Garcia’s humanitarian work. In court records, they contend that his shelters are “stash houses” sheltering the undocumented from authorities.

Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) is asking a judge to shut down Garcia’s Annunciation House shelters and force him to turn over all of his organization’s records — including the names of people he is housing. Garcia has refused, setting up a legal battle between the state of Texas and a religious leader whose work is key to the federal government’s management of border crossings and who has drawn praise from the highest echelons of the Catholic Church.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/06/06/texas-border-abbott-immigration-shelters/

"Catholics aren't truly Christians..."

- Ken Paxton and Greg Abbott probably

 

[DaveXA]

Republicans don't like it when Christians actually practice the faith earnestly and humbly.

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EL PASO — Wilson Alexander Juárez Hernández crossed the border on a stretcher.
He could not speak or walk. He’d lost so much weight that his fragile, skeletal frame jutted out from his skin. His legs and hands were twisted and locked defensively into a fetal position.

For three months he’d languished in a hospital bed in the border city of Ciudad Juárez, Mexico, a ventilator pushing oxygen in and out of his weakened lungs. Forty people had died during the fire at an overcrowded Mexican detention center for migrants last spring. He survived, but now he faced a long recovery and the possibility of never walking again.

The United States agreed to grant him humanitarian parole so that he could enter the country and be treated by specialists in Texas, but he’d need ongoing therapeutic care, the kind that is hard for many Americans to get, let alone an immigrant.

Who might take him in?
“How could I say no?” recounted Ruben Garcia, looking at Wilson, who sat in a wheelchair before him. “There was no one else.”

The influential patriarch of Annunciation House, a faith-based network of shelters based in El Paso, Garcia has taken in tens of thousands of undocumented immigrants he calls “guests” for nearly five decades. Working in collaboration with U.S. immigration officials, he provides them food, clothes and a first home in the United States, and some of his expenses are reimbursed by the federal government. It’s work he sees as a religious calling — to help the most vulnerable, no matter how they arrived.

But as Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R) clamps down on illegal immigration, state investigators are raising questions about Garcia’s humanitarian work. In court records, they contend that his shelters are “stash houses” sheltering the undocumented from authorities.

Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) is asking a judge to shut down Garcia’s Annunciation House shelters and force him to turn over all of his organization’s records — including the names of people he is housing. Garcia has refused, setting up a legal battle between the state of Texas and a religious leader whose work is key to the federal government’s management of border crossings and who has drawn praise from the highest echelons of the Catholic Church.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/06/06/texas-border-abbott-immigration-shelters/

So much for freedom of religion. Smh. This is fascism running rampant.

 

[fooferdoggie]

"Catholics aren't truly Christians..."

- Ken Paxton and Greg Abbott probably

I think that really means MAGA are not true christians.

 

[coldseat]

I think that really means MAGA are not true christians.

The way that I see it is that they're are several types of Christianity. From far right to far left and then there's a two more dimension of true believers and fake hypocritical Christians. Somebody like Mr. Garcia seems like he lands more on the left, service side with an element of true believer. My former mother-in-law was a true internal believer, but also very humble and service oriented. Those are the best Christians to me. Most Christians are probably a mix of a few. People like Paxton and Abbot are obviously on the right wing side, but they add a strong element of fake hypocritical Christianity and political exploitation.

 

[DaveXA]

The way that I see it is that they're are several types of Christianity. From far right to far left and then there's a two more dimension of true believers and fake hypocritical Christians. Somebody like Mr. Garcia seems like he lands more on the left, service side with an element of true believer. My former mother on law was a true internal believer, but also very humble and service oriented. Those are the best Christians to me. Most Christians are probably a mix of a few. People like Paxton and Abbot are obviously on the right wing side, but they add a strong element of fake hypocritical Christianity and political exploitation.

I call that fake Christianity - Convenient Christianity. Meaning those who only use it as a mean to achieve their own ends. Meaning they only use the parts they agree with and throw everything else out.

And true enough, there can be some who are a mix of both. I think a few are truly genuine, but still have their own blind spots.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Somebody like Mr. Garcia seems like he lands more on the left, service side with an element of true believer.

I'm convinced he grew up practicing around the Jesuits.

 

[Optimus Prime]

While dozens of her neighbors piled into buses bound from Michigan for the US Capitol on 6 January, 2021, Penny Swan, a local Republican party activist and an outspoken Trump supporter, stayed home.

But not for lack of enthusiasm: Swan wanted to join the throngs fighting to stop the certification of the 2020 election, but has a heart condition and worried about her ability to keep up.

Instead, she watched social media in awe, as her friends and neighbors surged toward the Capitol.

That was then.

Since 2021, Swan, a medical equipment manager, has distanced herself from the rightwing group that organized the 6 January buses from her small, ruby-red town of Hillsdale, Michigan.

Swan’s formerly close friends in the movement have become political rivals. And come November, she won’t vote for Trump.

In an age of deepening political polarization, Swan’s story, of going deep into the Maga movement and defecting, is a rare one.

According to a 2022 Pew study, “partisan antipathy” – deep dislike among members of a political party for the opposing group – has deepened in the US in the last decade.

Democrats and Republicans are more likely today than 10 years ago to characterize each other as “unintelligent” and “close minded”.

And Republicans who identify strongly with their party tend to prefer Trump overwhelmingly, as evidenced in the Republican primaries, which the former president swept.…..

She was in Trump’s Maga ‘cult’ – now she’s fighting far-right extremism

Penny Swan defected from the rightwing group that captured the local Republican party – and she won’t be voting for Trump

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Looking for something really hair-raising to read? Check out the 50-page platform that was just adopted by the Texas Republican Party.


The document, approved at the party’s biennial convention in late May, is not a serious policy road map. But it does reveal the id of a political party that has gone off the deep end.

Just a few of the platform’s planks: that the Bible should be taught in public schools, with chaplains on hand “to counsel and give guidance from a traditional biblical perspective based on Judeo-Christian principles.”

That noncitizens who are legal residents of this country should be deported if they are arrested for participating in a protest that turns violent.

That name changes to military bases should be reversed to “publicly honor the southern heroes.”

That doctors who perform abortions should be charged with homicide.

That the United States should withdraw from the United Nations and that the international organization should be removed from U.S. soil.


Then there is this audaciously undemocratic provision: To be elected to state office, a candidate must win not only a majority of votes, but also more than half of Texas’s 254 counties.

Let me translate what that means. Democrats in Texas are concentrated in a few urban areas, while Republicans are spread across the map. This system would effectively mean Democrats — who, as it is, haven’t won a statewide office since 1994 — would be shut out forever……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/03/texas-republican-party-new-platform/

 

[Optimus Prime]

Trickle down doesn’t work. It’s never worked. It will never work.
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Republicans in Congress are preparing to not just extend former president Donald Trump’s 2017 tax cuts if they win control of Washington in November’s elections, but also lower rates even more for corporations, laying the early groundwork for a ferocious debate over taxes and spending next year and beyond.

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) lowered rates for individuals of nearly all income levels, though it cut taxes most for the highest earners, and slashed the maximum corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent. The individual portions of that law expire in 2025, but Republicans who wrote the law made the business tax cuts permanent.

Now GOP lawmakers and some of Trump’s economic advisers are considering more corporate tax breaks — which could expand the national debt by roughly $1 trillion over the next decade, according to researchers at Stanford University and MIT — arguing that they would improve the U.S.’s global competitiveness.

Trump, who was convicted May 30 on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records before the 2016 election, has told potential donors recently that they’ll get a better tax bill with him in charge; without his help, he says, they could face “the biggest tax increase in history.”……….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/06/09/biden-trump-taxes-election/

 

[Taurus]

Trickle down doesn’t work. It’s never worked. It will never work.
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Republicans in Congress are preparing to not just extend former president Donald Trump’s 2017 tax cuts if they win control of Washington in November’s elections, but also lower rates even more for corporations, laying the early groundwork for a ferocious debate over taxes and spending next year and beyond.

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA) lowered rates for individuals of nearly all income levels, though it cut taxes most for the highest earners, and slashed the maximum corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent. The individual portions of that law expire in 2025, but Republicans who wrote the law made the business tax cuts permanent.

Now GOP lawmakers and some of Trump’s economic advisers are considering more corporate tax breaks — which could expand the national debt by roughly $1 trillion over the next decade, according to researchers at Stanford University and MIT — arguing that they would improve the U.S.’s global competitiveness.

Trump, who was convicted May 30 on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records before the 2016 election, has told potential donors recently that they’ll get a better tax bill with him in charge; without his help, he says, they could face “the biggest tax increase in history.”……….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/06/09/biden-trump-taxes-election/

What're you talking about? It works perfectly as intended.

It was just never intended to help you and me.

 

[LA - L.A.]

What're you talking about? It works perfectly as intended.

It was just never intended to help you and me.

Yeah, it wasn't designed to actually trickle down. It was designed to siphon up. It's SOP to give it the opposite name of what it's actually intended to do, just like No Child Left Behind.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Posted on EE also

How about that desantis did something that at least on the surface and at the moment I can get behind
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If you had to name the state where a Vietnam war veteran almost lost his apartment for owning the wrong kind of dog; in which a ring of thieves made off with millions of dollars of residents’ money they were obligated to look after; and where a family was threatened with legal action over decorative garage door hinges, intuition would lead you to Florida.

Such absurdities from homeowners’ associations (HOAs) abound where the nation’s highest concentration of condominium developments, gated communities and upmarket resorts blend seamlessly with an abundance of petty bureaucracy and outright crookedness.

But now, thanks to a bill promoted by a Republican state congresswoman and signed into law by Governor Ron DeSantis last week, things are about to change.

On 1 July, there will be unprecedented new curbs on the power and excesses of HOAs, the ultra-local panels of government that decide what color your front door should be, and how clean you need to keep your mailbox, in pursuit of high standards of maintenance and aesthetics.


No more can residents be cited or fined for trivial transgressions, like leaving their trash cans out beyond collection day, or having holiday lights and decorations still hanging long after the last visitors have returned home – at least without 14 days’ written notice, a hearing and appeals.

Anyone seeking to become an HOA board member will be required to be trained and regulated, a blow to Florida’s army of overzealous and autocratic apparatchiks who revel in controlling even the smallest details of residents’ existence.

“These associations tend to be full of Karens who don’t just want to speak to the manager, they want to be the manager,” said Craig Pittman, a veteran journalist and popular culture expert whose book Oh, Florida! chronicles the extremes of the nation’s quirkiest state.

“They want to micromanage what everybody does and dictate who can park where, and what kind of Christmas lights you can put up. Basically anything that is different from what anybody else does, you’re not allowed to do it. It’s all about uniformity.

“Now they’re either going to have to find another outlet, like joining their local Moms for Liberty chapter, or they’ll be in there fighting to change things back to the way it was.”………

Curbing the Karens: Florida reins in over-mighty homeowners’ groups

The state’s homeowners’ associations (HOAs) are notorious for petty bureaucracy – including threats of eviction for the wrong kind of dog or decorative garage door hinges

www.theguardian.com

 

[DaveXA]

Posted on EE also

How about that desantis did something that at least on the surface and at the moment I can get behind
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If you had to name the state where a Vietnam war veteran almost lost his apartment for owning the wrong kind of dog; in which a ring of thieves made off with millions of dollars of residents’ money they were obligated to look after; and where a family was threatened with legal action over decorative garage door hinges, intuition would lead you to Florida.

Such absurdities from homeowners’ associations (HOAs) abound where the nation’s highest concentration of condominium developments, gated communities and upmarket resorts blend seamlessly with an abundance of petty bureaucracy and outright crookedness.

But now, thanks to a bill promoted by a Republican state congresswoman and signed into law by Governor Ron DeSantis last week, things are about to change.

On 1 July, there will be unprecedented new curbs on the power and excesses of HOAs, the ultra-local panels of government that decide what color your front door should be, and how clean you need to keep your mailbox, in pursuit of high standards of maintenance and aesthetics.


No more can residents be cited or fined for trivial transgressions, like leaving their trash cans out beyond collection day, or having holiday lights and decorations still hanging long after the last visitors have returned home – at least without 14 days’ written notice, a hearing and appeals.

Anyone seeking to become an HOA board member will be required to be trained and regulated, a blow to Florida’s army of overzealous and autocratic apparatchiks who revel in controlling even the smallest details of residents’ existence.

“These associations tend to be full of Karens who don’t just want to speak to the manager, they want to be the manager,” said Craig Pittman, a veteran journalist and popular culture expert whose book Oh, Florida! chronicles the extremes of the nation’s quirkiest state.

“They want to micromanage what everybody does and dictate who can park where, and what kind of Christmas lights you can put up. Basically anything that is different from what anybody else does, you’re not allowed to do it. It’s all about uniformity.

“Now they’re either going to have to find another outlet, like joining their local Moms for Liberty chapter, or they’ll be in there fighting to change things back to the way it was.”………

Curbing the Karens: Florida reins in over-mighty homeowners’ groups

The state’s homeowners’ associations (HOAs) are notorious for petty bureaucracy – including threats of eviction for the wrong kind of dog or decorative garage door hinges

www.theguardian.com

If it has teeth, I'm all for it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

And back to the DeSantis we all know and love

At least we’ll always have HOAs
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The Florida governor, Ron DeSantis, has launched a political action committee that is targeting popular ballot amendments on abortion access and marijuana legalization that will be voted on in November.

The group, known as the Florida Freedom Fund, launched in May, Politico first reported. The committee is chaired by James Uthmeier, DeSantis’s chief of staff who was previously the Republican’s campaign manager during his unsuccessful presidential primary run.

In addition to targeting ballot initiatives, the committee will get involved in school board races, Politico reported, citing an individual who is familiar with the group’s plans.


Florida Republicans have attempted to maximize their political control of local school boards, especially amid book bans and far-right education laws banning discussions of race and sexual identity being passed in the state, WUFT reported.

A spokesperson for the governor told Politico that the goal of the political action committee is to support issues and candidates that are “committed to preserving Floridians’ freedom”.

“From up and down ballot races to critical amendments, we’re steadfast in our mission to keep Florida free,” a DeSantis spokesperson, Taryn Fenske, said.

Reproductive-rights activists have been pushing for voters to support an upcoming ballot initiative that would enshrine broader abortion access in Florida’s constitution, Axios reported…..

DeSantis ‘freedom fund’ Pac targets abortion and marijuana ballot initiatives

Group, known as Florida Freedom Fund, launched in May and will also be involved in school board races

www.theguardian.com