What happens to the Republican Party now? (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Saintamaniac]

I only see you as being hyper-driven to "win" what you mistakenly perceive as "debate" which compels you to say whatever you think you have to say to "win," instead of just saying what you sincerely think and believe in a straightforward, non-combative manner.

I approach this board as an opportunity to have straight forward discussions on things I don't get to discuss often in my day to day life. I don't always succeed in that approach, but that's what I strive for and work towards.

You seem to approach this board as an opportunity to compete with people who don't agree with you. You seem to always be looking for and picking rhetorical fights. You seem to be here just to play games.

You might find it beneficial to research the issues that you discuss as thoroughly as you do people who outdo you in debates about those issues.

I truly feel sorry for the students you teach, if you are indeed an educator. Your direct response to @LA - L.A. proves everything that was said about how you come across to the tee. The fact that it is lost on you with your response tells a story that we already know about you.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A right-wing influencer who left the Trump camp to instead support Florida Governor Ron DeSantis for the GOP presidential nomination has blamed the circle around the former president for supposedly leaking racist and antisemitic messages he sent in private chats.

Far-right site Breitbart reported on Tuesday that in 2019 and 2020, while Donald Trump was president, conservative writer Pedro Gonzalez sent messages in a group chat entitled “Right-Wing Death Squad” as well as to one member of the group individually.

The report was widely shared in right-wing circles and included several direct quotes of the messages, one of which said: “Tfw [that feeling when] when you realize whites are the only hope non-whites have of living civilized lives, but whites themselves are too cucked to preserve their own civilizations.”

A separate message about Black right-wing commentator Candace Owens and Daily Wire editor Ben Shapiro referred to them as “the Negress and the Jew”.

“Yeah like not every Jew is problematic, but the sad fact is that most are,” one of the messages said.

Mr Gonzalez serves as the political editor at Chronicles published by the Charlemagne Institute. He’s also a Newsweek contributor.

He didn’t deny that he had written the messages when responding to the allegations on Twitter but still claimed the report was a “smear” with its origins in Trumpworld.

“The only reason my private messages — messages I exchanged with *Trump supporters* from a different, dumb season of my life — are being used against me is that I’ve become the most effective critic of Trump since jumping off the Trump train,” he tweeted...............

MSN

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Well Sen. Scott, allow me to retort!

Edit: Of course I could have found that same reply in his comments:

 

[Snarky Sack]

A right-wing influencer who left the Trump camp to instead support Florida Governor Ron DeSantis for the GOP presidential nomination has blamed the circle around the former president for supposedly leaking racist and antisemitic messages he sent in private chats.

Far-right site Breitbart reported on Tuesday that in 2019 and 2020, while Donald Trump was president, conservative writer Pedro Gonzalez sent messages in a group chat entitled “Right-Wing Death Squad” as well as to one member of the group individually.

The report was widely shared in right-wing circles and included several direct quotes of the messages, one of which said: “Tfw [that feeling when] when you realize whites are the only hope non-whites have of living civilized lives, but whites themselves are too cucked to preserve their own civilizations.”

A separate message about Black right-wing commentator Candace Owens and Daily Wire editor Ben Shapiro referred to them as “the Negress and the Jew”.

“Yeah like not every Jew is problematic, but the sad fact is that most are,” one of the messages said.

Mr Gonzalez serves as the political editor at Chronicles published by the Charlemagne Institute. He’s also a Newsweek contributor.

He didn’t deny that he had written the messages when responding to the allegations on Twitter but still claimed the report was a “smear” with its origins in Trumpworld.

“The only reason my private messages — messages I exchanged with *Trump supporters* from a different, dumb season of my life — are being used against me is that I’ve become the most effective critic of Trump since jumping off the Trump train,” he tweeted...............

MSN

So, is Gonzalez now a good guy or a bad guy?

 

[LA - L.A.]

Well Sen. Scott, allow me to retort!

Edit: Of course I could have found that same reply in his comments:

The Simpsons ain't got nothing on Looney Tunes!

 

[el caliente]

I think more Republicans feel like Ryan than the polls show.

 

[MT15]

I think more Republicans feel like Ryan than the polls show.

I surely hope you’re right, el.

 

[MT15]

So, is Gonzalez now a good guy or a bad guy?

Sort of a ham-handed reduction of the actual point being made isn’t it? Between Breitbart and Gonzalez why do you think someone has to be a good guy or a bad guy?

I posted the same story from a different source in another thread. The point being made was that there were sides being picked and Breitbart was solidly in the Trump camp, hence their willingness to supply private messages from years ago to embarrass a person who had “defected” to the DeSantis camp.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Sort of a ham-handed reduction of the actual point being made isn’t it? Between Breitbart and Gonzalez why do you think someone has to be a good guy or a bad guy?

They don't. I asked because it is the usual reaction on this board, to so categorize people. If not so in this case, fine. I was just confused, because a neutral story is out of character here.

I posted the same story from a different source in another thread. The point being made was that there were sides being picked and Breitbart was solidly in the Trump camp, hence their willingness to supply private messages from years ago to embarrass a person who had “defected” to the DeSantis camp.

Yes, sides are being picked. They have since Trump announced for 2016, and there has been very little rational discussion about Trump ever since.

 

[MT15]

They don't. I asked because it is the usual reaction on this board, to so categorize people. If not so in this case, fine. I was just confused, because a neutral story is out of character here.

Hubris. Lol.

 

[Snarky Sack]

I think more Republicans feel like Ryan than the polls show.

Paul Ryan should run then and ALL other never Trump candidates drop out to support him. Or let some other never Trump Republican be selected as their champion.

If they are not willing to do that then they should dry their crocodile tears and admit that they are in it for themselves and their own political ambitions and not to save the country from any Trump caused disaster.

 

[Optimus Prime]

After twice serving as speaker of the Ohio House of Representatives, Larry Householder (R) was sentenced Thursday for orchestrating one of the largest political scandals in the state’s history.

The scheme, which involved nearly $60 million in bribes to help pass a billion-dollar energy bailout, landed him the maximum 20-year prison sentence.


Prosecutors in 2020 unsealed a complaint against Householder that laid out accusations of a money-laundering scheme and bribes paid to Householder so he would push through a $1.3 billion bailout for two Ohio nuclear power plants.


“More than four years we were looking for accountability, and today we believe that Mr. Householder received just that,” said Kenneth Parker, U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Ohio.

“The judge made a statement that he would not credit any of [Householder’s] time as a public servant because he did not serve as a public servant. Well, now he has a different level of service that he has to give to the people of Ohio.”…..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/29/larry-householder-ohio-speaker-bribery-sentenced/

 

[MT15]

After twice serving as speaker of the Ohio House of Representatives, Larry Householder (R) was sentenced Thursday for orchestrating one of the largest political scandals in the state’s history.

The scheme, which involved nearly $60 million in bribes to help pass a billion-dollar energy bailout, landed him the maximum 20-year prison sentence.


Prosecutors in 2020 unsealed a complaint against Householder that laid out accusations of a money-laundering scheme and bribes paid to Householder so he would push through a $1.3 billion bailout for two Ohio nuclear power plants.


“More than four years we were looking for accountability, and today we believe that Mr. Householder received just that,” said Kenneth Parker, U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Ohio.

“The judge made a statement that he would not credit any of [Householder’s] time as a public servant because he did not serve as a public servant. Well, now he has a different level of service that he has to give to the people of Ohio.”…..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/06/29/larry-householder-ohio-speaker-bribery-sentenced/

This case is just heinous. This guy is the absolute worst person ever. I was so glad he got the sentence he deserved. Ohio GOP is particularly vile and corrupt. I hope the voters in Ohio wake up.

 

[MT15]

Another corrupt Ohio GOPer

 

[Huntn]

Another corrupt Ohio GOPer

Zero surprise that of all the cockroaches swarming around Trump’s feet some are bound to be caught in roach traps.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Guess this can go here
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The day of the school shooting that killed 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde, Tex., last year, Averie Bishop posted a TikTok video, sobbing. “These things happen all the time and nothing changes,” she said.


After the Supreme Court overturned abortion rights, following her home state’s own restrictions, she posted again: “When you live in Texas and all you wanted was a hot girl summer, but now you have a ‘no reproductive rights’ summer.”


In March, she posted about the need for comprehensive sex education and mourned the 50th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the abortion precedent abandoned by the court. In May, she posted videos touting the need for affordable health and reproductive care.

The fact that Bishop has professed her liberal views on race, abortion, immigration, voting, same-sex marriage, school shootings and comprehensive sex education — which Texas public schools don’t require — may not be surprising considering she’s 26.


What is startling is that Bishop has spoken out while competing for, and as, Miss Texas.

The perch has normally been occupied by apolitical women, but in Bishop’s case, the pageant queen has used it to push back against the far-right policies supported by Texas’s White male leaders.


Her platform — diversity and inclusion — represents much of what Texas has been outlawing.

In June alone, Gov. Greg Abbott (R) signed laws banning diversity offices and training at state universities, “sexually explicit” books at public schools, drag shows and gender-affirming care for youths.

The first Asian contestant to win the crown in the pageant’s 85 years, Bishop is an avatar for a rapidly diversifying state, one that despite its historic image is now majority minority, a change that is remaking cities, rural areas and political alliances, if not state leadership.


Bishop has done her share of lobbying them. In Austin, she met with Republican leaders to talk about the state’s needs. She pressed North Texas lawmakers against the bill to ban college diversity and inclusion programs, explaining how she had benefited from them……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/30/averie-bishop-miss-america-texas-platform-diversity/

 

[SFIDC3]

Guess this can go here
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The day of the school shooting that killed 19 children and two teachers in Uvalde, Tex., last year, Averie Bishop posted a TikTok video, sobbing. “These things happen all the time and nothing changes,” she said.


After the Supreme Court overturned abortion rights, following her home state’s own restrictions, she posted again: “When you live in Texas and all you wanted was a hot girl summer, but now you have a ‘no reproductive rights’ summer.”


In March, she posted about the need for comprehensive sex education and mourned the 50th anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the abortion precedent abandoned by the court. In May, she posted videos touting the need for affordable health and reproductive care.

The fact that Bishop has professed her liberal views on race, abortion, immigration, voting, same-sex marriage, school shootings and comprehensive sex education — which Texas public schools don’t require — may not be surprising considering she’s 26.


What is startling is that Bishop has spoken out while competing for, and as, Miss Texas.

The perch has normally been occupied by apolitical women, but in Bishop’s case, the pageant queen has used it to push back against the far-right policies supported by Texas’s White male leaders.


Her platform — diversity and inclusion — represents much of what Texas has been outlawing.

In June alone, Gov. Greg Abbott (R) signed laws banning diversity offices and training at state universities, “sexually explicit” books at public schools, drag shows and gender-affirming care for youths.

The first Asian contestant to win the crown in the pageant’s 85 years, Bishop is an avatar for a rapidly diversifying state, one that despite its historic image is now majority minority, a change that is remaking cities, rural areas and political alliances, if not state leadership.


Bishop has done her share of lobbying them. In Austin, she met with Republican leaders to talk about the state’s needs. She pressed North Texas lawmakers against the bill to ban college diversity and inclusion programs, explaining how she had benefited from them……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/06/30/averie-bishop-miss-america-texas-platform-diversity/

TX needs a lot more just like her....IMO.....