What happens to the Republican Party now? (3 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Snarky Sack]

TX needs a lot more just like her....IMO.....

I have been starting to think the opposite.

Not about her in particular, I'm sure she is a wonderful person. Also a self-described "hot girl," and I never object to having those around, even if I'm too old and too married to do more than look.

What I mean is that maybe there shoudl be a mass exodus from Texas of people who want to abort their babies, or transgenderize them if they make it out of the birth canal.

Meanwhile, let people who don't want their schools to encourage their kids to be transgender and not tell parents, or for CPS to investigate them if they don't send their kids to a gender specialist at the recommendation of a school counselor, and who don't want their guns taken away leave their blue states and come to Texas.

When a liberal Texan moves to a blue state, the collective IQ's of both states is likely to go up.

Only my opinion, of course.

 

[Optimus Prime]

TX needs a lot more just like her....IMO.....

Article implies there are more like her. A lot more and the GOP is terrified of them

All the more so because they aren’t bleeding heart libs who moved to the state from Seattle or California. They are born and raised Texans

And if the Republicans lose Texas they lose the White House no matter what voter suppression is used in Florida or Georgia etc.

So a blue ‘mass exodus from Texas’ is exactly what they want

 

[SFIDC3]

Article implies there are more like her. A lot more and the GOP is terrified of them

All the more so because they aren’t bleeding heart libs who moved to the state from Seattle or California. They are born and raised Texans

And if the Republicans lose Texas they lose the White House no matter what voter suppression is used in Florida or Georgia etc.

So a blue ‘mass exodus from Texas’ is exactly what they want

I hope that's true, TX is one majorly F'ed up state right now.....

 

[Taurus]

I hope that's true, TX is one majorly F'ed up state right now.....

That's the point. It's deliberate.
Texas and Florida want to drive out anyone who might consider voting blue.
It doesn't hurt that it's incredibly easy to fulfill campaign promises of governmental corruption and futility.

 

[SFIDC3]

That's the point. It's deliberate.
Texas and Florida want to drive out anyone who might consider voting blue.
It doesn't hurt that it's incredibly easy to fulfill campaign promises of governmental corruption and futility.

I get that, I hope it backfires on them, just like I believe the Dobbs decision will at the national stage....

 

[Taurus]

I get that, I hope it backfires on them, just like I believe the Dobbs decision will at the national stage....

Me too. I hope they create a bunch of disaffected, alienated conservatives who decide to move to Wyoming and Idaho.

 

[MT15]

This is what state R parties have prioritized, along with taking away freedoms from women, and trans families.

 

[Snarky Sack]

The future of the Republican Party lies with the young MAGA Republicans, such as Wesley Hunt, Lauren Boebert, and Marjorie Taylor Green, and with middle aged MAGA Republicans such as Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz.

Trump is likely to pass away in the next five to ten years. Just a fact of his age. With Trump gone, the wind will be out of the sails of the Never Trump Republicans who hate him for his being an outsider to the GOP establishment and for his lack of the social graces that they value so much more than American exceptionalism.

They will then be forced to distance themselves from young Trump Republicans who have none of Trump's baggage. How would they do so?

Can they define themselves as less extreme than the Trumpers? That will be hard since they are propping up DeSantis who appears to be trying to position himself as the most extreme Republican in the Party.

Will they accuse Trump supporters of being too moderate? Maybe. But that will not ring true with Trump voters, who in large part switched to Trump from establishment Reps due to their reputation of talking up conservative values and then caving to Democrats at the first sign of negative media coverage.

The Trump disciples are fine with negative media coverage, which is redmeat to Trump's base. This has significantly reduced the media's power over public policy, which is why they keep having to run stories that say "in a setback for ______________ . . . "

 

[DaveXA]

The future of the Republican Party lies with the young MAGA Republicans, such as Wesley Hunt, Lauren Boebert, and Marjorie Taylor Green, and with middle aged MAGA Republicans such as Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz.

Man, this is a who's who of right wing nuts, lol. If this is the future of the Republican Party, they'll never win another national election again. Maybe some Congressional seats, but that's about it. I hope they go all in. That would destroy the party.

Trump is likely to pass away in the next five to ten years. Just a fact of his age. With Trump gone, the wind will be out of the sails of the Never Trump Republicans who hate him for his being an outsider to the GOP establishment and for his lack of the social graces that they value so much more than American exceptionalism.

This tells me you don't understand never Trumpers. They don't hate him because he's an outsider. That's a complete myth. They hate him because of how he treats people, how he's openly insulted women, people of color, people with disabilities and more. They also hate how he's made a mockery of Office of the Presidency and embarrassed us when he was president.

They will then be forced to distance themselves from young Trump Republicans who have none of Trump's baggage. How would they do so?

Can they define themselves as less extreme than the Trumpers? That will be hard since they are propping up DeSantis who appears to be trying to position himself as the most extreme Republican in the Party.

Will they accuse Trump supporters of being too moderate? Maybe. But that will not ring true with Trump voters, who in large part switched to Trump from establishment Reps due to their reputation of talking up conservative values and then caving to Democrats at the first sign of negative media coverage.

My oldest son was a pretty hard-core Trumper until a few months ago. He's pretty much washed his hands of Trump and has had enough of Trump's shenanigans. Your comments don't really reflect my personal experience with younger Republicans, particularly of the never Trump variety. Maybe you need to get out and talk to more of them.

The Trump disciples are fine with negative media coverage, which is redmeat to Trump's base. This has significantly reduced the media's power over public policy, which is why they keep having to run stories that say "in a setback for ______________ . . . "

I guess, but Trump will lose those independent voters that won him the election in 2016. Without independents, he's done.

 

[zztop]

Article implies there are more like her. A lot more and the GOP is terrified of them

Of course they are. It isn't coincidence they are doing heavy voter suppression in areas that happen to predominately vote blue in that state

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

The future of the Republican Party lies with the young MAGA Republicans, such as Wesley Hunt, Lauren Boebert, and Marjorie Taylor Green, and with middle aged MAGA Republicans such as Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz.

Trump is likely to pass away in the next five to ten years. Just a fact of his age. With Trump gone, the wind will be out of the sails of the Never Trump Republicans who hate him for his being an outsider to the GOP establishment and for his lack of the social graces that they value so much more than American exceptionalism.

They will then be forced to distance themselves from young Trump Republicans who have none of Trump's baggage. How would they do so?

Can they define themselves as less extreme than the Trumpers? That will be hard since they are propping up DeSantis who appears to be trying to position himself as the most extreme Republican in the Party.

Will they accuse Trump supporters of being too moderate? Maybe. But that will not ring true with Trump voters, who in large part switched to Trump from establishment Reps due to their reputation of talking up conservative values and then caving to Democrats at the first sign of negative media coverage.

The Trump disciples are fine with negative media coverage, which is redmeat to Trump's base. This has significantly reduced the media's power over public policy, which is why they keep having to run stories that say "in a setback for ______________ . . . "

Never mind the individuals you mentioned, how does serving up red-meat to satisfy your base and demonizing both Democrats and moderate Republicans equate to good governance? Good governance rely on individuals with opposing viewpoints to work together for the common good of all. Yeah, the MAGA base would be satisfied, but they represent, at best, about 30% of voters.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Never mind the individuals you mentioned, how does serving up red-meat to satisfy your base and demonizing both Democrats and moderate Republicans equate to good governance? Good governance rely on individuals with opposing viewpoints to work together for the common good of all. Yeah, the MAGA base would be satisfied, but they represent, at best, about 30% of voters.

30% of all voters translates into 60% of Republicans The thread is about the future of the Republican Party, not about good governance. Good governance is important, but not what my post was about.

But if moderation is the idea, Trumpers are much more moderate on abortion and the transgenderization movement, for example, than DeSantis, who is the only other major personality in the GOP right now.

This is the establishment GOP's big problem right now: lack of an iconic leader. There is Trump, leader of the Trump Faction, DeSantis, leading the DeSantis Faction, and who leading the establishment faction? Lindsay Graham? Kevin McCarthy?

Part of this is the media's fault. They will always pay more attention to Lauren Boebert and MTG having a cat fight about who gets to start the Biden impeachment, than to Kevin McCarthy working with Lindsey Graham on how to save face while giving in to the Dems again.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

30% of all voters translates into 60% of Republicans The thread is about the future of the Republican Party, not about good governance. Good governance is important, but not what my post was about.

Then you are fine with the Republican party condemning itself to failure?

Shouldn't it be the goal of the party to provide a functional government? A government filled with PUBLIC SERVANTS committed to provide for ALL its citizens?

 

[DaveXA]

30% of all voters translates into 60% of Republicans The thread is about the future of the Republican Party, not about good governance. Good governance is important, but not what my post was about.

But if moderation is the idea, Trumpers are much more moderate on abortion and the transgenderization movement, for example, than DeSantis, who is the only other major personality in the GOP right now.

This is the establishment GOP's big problem right now: lack of an iconic leader. There is Trump, leader of the Trump Faction, DeSantis, leading the DeSantis Faction, and who leading the establishment faction? Lindsay Graham? Kevin McCarthy?

Part of this is the media's fault. They will always pay more attention to Lauren Boebert and MTG having a cat fight about who gets to start the Biden impeachment, than to Kevin McCarthy working with Lindsey Graham on how to save face while giving in to the Dems again.

I'll definitely grant that the media has given too much attention to the shills in the Party. The establishment isn't sexy or compelling, so it doesn't sell news stories, unfortunately.

I'll also admit, DeSantis is probably a worse choice than Trump when it comes to pure governance. Had 1/6 not happened, I might have a bit different opinion, but the writing is on the wall for both candidates.

 

[Snarky Sack]

Then you are fine with the Republican party condemning itself to failure?

Shouldn't it be the goal of the party to provide a functional government? A government filled with PUBLIC SERVANTS committed to provide for ALL its citizens?

Bring up three questions:

1) Why will the Republican Party be a failure by having up-an-coming young congress folk who are popular with their voters and not nearly as boring as the OWM's of the establishment?

2) What would be the point of the Party succeeding if it only succeeds in giving in the Democrats at every turn? Might as well go one-party to save a lot of pretending.

3) Do you really think that the government was filled with PUBLIC SERVANTS committed to providing for all of its citizens before Trump came along?

 

[Snarky Sack]

I'll definitely grant that the media has given too much attention to the shills in the Party. The establishment isn't sexy or compelling, so it doesn't sell news stories, unfortunately.

I'll also admit, DeSantis is probably a worse choice than Trump when it comes to pure governance. Had 1/6 not happened, I might have a bit different opinion, but the writing is on the wall for both candidates.

Now, how would that be? Come on, man!

They are the frontrunners for the opposition party with the country in the shape it's in and no one but Biden to stop whichever one of them is the nominee.

What does the handwriting say? "Keep your calendar clear for 2025 - 2028?"

 

[DaveXA]

Bring up three questions:

1) Why will the Republican Party be a failure by having up-an-coming young congress folk who are popular with their voters and not nearly as boring as the OWM's of the establishment?

You tell me. Those "up and coming" folks are terrible legislators. They're only interested in bring roadblocks and don't know the meaning of compromise.

2) What would be the point of the Party succeeding if it only succeeds in giving in the Democrats at every turn? Might as well go one-party to save a lot of pretending.

Compromise doesn't mean giving in at every turn. It means agreeing with the other party on some give and take in drafting legislation. The makeup of the current Congress demands some level of compromise to pass legislation in both chambers of Congress. It's a multi-party government not one party.

3) Do you really think that the government was filled with PUBLIC SERVANTS committed to providing for all of its citizens before Trump came along?

There are lots of public servants in the federal government, both during Trump's tenure and otherwise. There are a lot of individuals who have served several administrations. Most don't really notice much difference from administration to administration. The ones who do notice the big changes usually are the ones in executive and appointed position levels. And the same citizens were served regardless who is President. The President certainly has a lot of power, but not that much.

 

[Snarky Sack]

You tell me. Those "up and coming" folks are terrible legislators. They're only interested in bring roadblocks and don't know the meaning of compromise.

That's just invective, though.

Can you give me some examples?

Compromise doesn't mean giving in at every turn. It means agreeing with the other party on some give and take in drafting legislation. The makeup of the current Congress demands some level of compromise to pass legislation in both chambers of Congress. It's a multi-party government not one party.

As it should be. Nearly every time a new federal law is passed, either we lose more freedom, spend more money, or often both. The less the two parties work together to do that, the better off the American people are.

There are lots of public servants in the federal government, both during Trump's tenure and otherwise. There are a lot of individuals who have served several administrations. Most don't really notice much difference from administration to administration. The ones who do notice the big changes usually are the ones in executive and appointed position levels. And the same citizens were served regardless who is President. The President certainly has a lot of power, but not that much.

The the concern of the poster above about politicians affecting the number of PUBLIC SERVANTS (sic) in the federal work force is unnecessary?