What happens to the Republican Party now? (3 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[Snarky Sack]

Your inability to have an honest conversation becomes more and more apparent every day. I sincerely hope you grow out of your bubble one day.

I feel dismissed and invalidated.

Now I'm meeeelting!

 

[Optimus Prime]

The Indiana chapter of extremist group Moms for Liberty has been forced to explain why the first page of its newsletter carries a quote from Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler.

“He alone who owns the youth, gains the future,” the quote reads on the front of its June issue.

The quote was correctly attributed to Hitler, who was responsible for the murders of six million Jewish people and five million other victims including Romany people, gay people and Soviet prisoners of war.

The group later took to its Facebook page to make some sort of an attempt to explain the shocking decision to reference to a murderous Nazi.

“The quote from a horrific leader should put parents on alert,” it read.

“If the government has control over our children today, they control our country’s future. We The People must be vigilant and protect children from an overreaching government.”

The move to showcase a Hitler quote comes as the group secured Democratic presidential hopeful Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as a speaker at its event, The Joyful Warriors National Summit, next week.…..

Far-right group Moms for Liberty tries to explain use of Hitler quote

‘The quote from a horrific leader should put parents on alert,’ the extremist group tried to explain

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Snarky Sack]

I scanned through this page. I didn't read all of it. But am i to assume that Snarky is making a case that Trans people rape more people because of the bathroom situations than straight guys? Rape is a terrible pandemic in this country. But to suggest that Trans people who use the opposite bathroom have caused an uptick in rape is just laughable to anyone who believes that..

Recommend a more thorough read.

 

[LA - L.A.]

It's a message board where we give our opinions. Giving my opinion that is different from yours =/= disrespecting and discriminating.

You having an opinion is not discriminatory by default. The specific opinions you have shared on this board about transgender woman are very much = to disrespectful and discriminatory.

If you are not XX, how do you know that XX people are not actually very open-minded and on this board specifically to hear opinions from people different from themselves, such as XY people?

That has nothing to do with anything I've actually said. You speaking as if you are the voice of authority for what the majority of women think and feel is what I was pointing out with my question. The issue is not that you're sharing your opinions, the issue is that you act as if you speak for the majority of all women on what they think and feel.

Why do you feel that you must protect XX people...

Interesting question coming from a person who's tilting at windmills to protect biological females from a statistically nearly non existent risk of being raped by transgender men in bathrooms, don't you think?

I don't feel I must protect anyone. I just speak up when I see someone being a jerk to someone else. It's more about calling out BS than it is about protecting someone.

I argue that XY people NOT use female bathrooms, female changing rooms and female locker rooms. I never said that they should be required to enter the mens/boys rooms if they are uncomfortable there.

When I said what you are replying to here, I had not seen you ever say anything about providing other options besides "women/girls" rooms or "men/boys" rooms, so it logically seemed to me that if you are banning them from "women/girls" rooms, you are forcing them into "men/boys" rooms.

To be as direct and clear is possible, I understand and acknowledge that you aren't trying to force them into "men/boys" rooms, you just want to ban them from "women/girls" rooms.

What you haven't said is what you would have transgender women do if the only options available to them are "women/girls" or "men/boys" restrooms.

You've never heard of a public family bathroom?

I've already said that I haven't.

I've mentioned them a time or two...

I didn't read the posts in which you mentioned them and referred to them as public family restrooms.

No. Understanding that biological females are different from males in ways far different than "blacks" are different from "whites" is not bigotry.

First of all, it's bizarre that you chose to put blacks and whites in quotation marks.

The similarity of bigotry is not based on the biological females differences from males being the same as the biological differences between black people and white people. Clearly the biological differences are not the same.

The similarity in the bigotry is in the dictating to others that you know who and how they are better than they do and basing that ignorant belief solely on genetic differences that determine physical traits. People told black people that their genes made them inferior subhumans and that their place was being subservient, even though black people knew that's not who they were.

Black people were told you can't use our bathrooms, because you're not really human like us and you have to live separate from us because we don't want you raping our women.

You're saying transgender women can't use "women/girls" restrooms because they're not really women and we don't want you raping our girls and women.

If you can't see the similarities, then you can't see the similarities, but they are very clearly there.

In other words, you read a headline that said "scientists say . . ."

Nope. I don't rely on headlines, because I know better. I read the entire article to get inform myself.

Sounds like you're describing yourself, not me. You post a lot of articles in which the actual content of the article doesn't match the extremely sensationalized headline. When I post an article, the content matches the headline and the headlines aren't sensational.

You're calling me a liar?

I said I don't think you're acting in good faith.

I did not call you a liar and I don't think you're lying. If I did, I would have said I don't think you're being honest on this issue. Lying is not the only way someone can act in bad faith.

It seems that for you and for several posters on here, you use very hostile tones...

Pot, meet kettle.

I have to think that it is due to peer pressure from others on the board.

Feeling peer pressure from people I don't know and will probably never meet, are you serious? That may be an issue for you, but I say what I believe regardless of what other people think and that's got me into a head butt or two with everyone here.

Then why did you make such a point of asking me about it?

As I've explained to you twice before, the point I was making is that you, a male, had the audacity to think you could speak with authority authority on what most women think and feel. That was the point of me asking you if you were XY or XX.

"Disagreeing" does not equal "dismiss and invalidate."

Telling someone they are wrong does not equal disagreeing with them.

Did this "actual female" feel dismissed and invalidated?

I don't know how they felt, but I read with my own eyes dismissive and invalidating things you said to them.

You, of all posters on this board, should not be implying that another poster is wrong for not answering a question.

You have a serious issue with impulsively jumping to the wrong conclusions.

I asked you for clarification twice and very clearly both times. I did not imply that you were wrong for not answering a question. You may have incorrectly inferred that, but I did not imply it in any way.

I did not respond to this:

And you also still aren't providing clarification on this exchange:

Because I told another poster that I would no longer respond when he put words in my mouth that had no resemblance to anything that I actually said.

Asking for clarification is not putting words in people's mouths. It's the opposite in fact. You use this "putting words in my mouth" defense to avoid providing clarification for things you have said. I don't know why you do it, but you do it and you do it a lot.

If I say you said/are saying this, that and the other thing. That would be putting words in your mouth.

When I say would you please clarify what you're saying, because it seems to me like you're saying this, that and the other thing, that is not putting words in your mouth. You either understand the difference or you don't.

It is different whether you can understand the difference or not, and it's not putting words in your mouth.

 

[Snarky Sack]

You having an opinion is not discriminatory by default. The specific opinions that you shared about transgender woman are very much = to disrespectful and discriminatory.



That has nothing to do with anything I've actually said. You speaking as if you are the voice of authority for what the majority of women think and feel is what I pointed out. The issue is not that you're sharing your opinions, the issue you is that you act as if you speak for the majority of all women on what they think and feel.



Interesting question coming from a person who's tilting at windmills to protect biological females from a statistically nearly non existent risk of being raped by transgender men in bathrooms, don't you think?

I don't feel I must protect anyone. I just speak up when I see someone being a jerk to someone. It's more about calling out BS than it is about protecting someone.



When I said what you are replying to here, I had not seen you ever say anything about providing other options besides "women/girls" rooms or "men/boys" rooms, so it logically seemed to me that if you are banning them from "women/girls" rooms, you are forcing them into "men/boys" rooms.

To be as direct and clear is possible, I understand and acknowledge that you aren't trying to force them into "men/boys" rooms, you just want to ban them from "women/girls" rooms.



I've already said I haven't.



I didn't read the posts in which you mentioned them and referred to them as public family restrooms.



First of all, it's bizarre that you chose to put blacks and whites in quotation marks.

The similarity of bigotry is not based on the biological females differences from males being the same as the biological differences between black people and white people. Clearly the biological differences are not the same.

The similarity in the bigotry is in the dictating to others that you know who and how they are better than they do and basing that ignorant belief solely on genetic differences that determine physical traits. People told black people that their genes made them inferior subhumans and that their place was being subservient, even though black people knew that's not who they were.

Black people were told you can't use our bathrooms, because you're not really human like us and you have to live separate from us because we don't want you raping our women.

You're saying transgender women can't use "women/girls" restrooms because they're not really women and we don't want you raping our girls and women.

If you can't see the similarities, then you can't see the similarities, but they are very clearly there.

Nope. I don't rely on headlines, because I know better. I read the entire article to get inform myself.

Sounds like you're describing yourself, not me. You post a lot of articles in which the actual content of the article doesn't match the extremely sensationalized headline. When I post an article, the content matches the headline and the headlines are sensational.



I said I don't think you're acting in good faith.

I did not call you a liar and I don't think you're lying. If I did, I would have said I don't think you're being honest on this issue. Lying is not the only way someone can not be acting in good faith.



Pot meet kettle.



Feeling peer pressure from people I don't know and will probably never meet, are you serious? That may be an issue for you, but I say what I believe regardless of what other people think and that's got me into a head butt or two with everyone here.



As I've explained to you twice before, the point I was making is that you, a male, had the audacity to think you could speak with authority authority on what most women think and feel all on your own. That was the point.



Telling someone they are wrong does not equal disagreeing with them.



I don't know how they felt, but I read with my own eyes dismissive and invalidating things you said to them.



You have a serious issue with impulsively jumping to the wrong conclusions.

I asked you for clarification twice and very clearly both times. I did not imply that you were wrong for not answering a question. You may have incorrectly inferred that, but I did not imply it in any way.



And you also still aren't providing clarification on this exchange:

Asking for clarification is not putting words in people's mouths. It's the opposite in fact. You use this "putting words in my mouth defense" to avoid providing clarification for things you have said. I don't know why you do it, but you do it and you do it a lot.

If I say you said/are saying this, that and the other thing. That would be putting words in mouth.

When I say would you please clarify what you're saying, because it seems to me like you're saying this, that and the other thing, that is not putting words in your mouth. You either understand the difference or you don't.

It is different whether you can understand the difference or not, and it's not putting words in your mouth.

Rural schools on tap with single-use restrooms already

Oklahoma just passed a state-mandated restroom bill, but some Cherokee County rural schools had already adopted a policy for single-use bathrooms and changing areas.

www.tahlequahdailypress.com

As I said several times now, this is the simple and obvious solution. Hopefully this will close the discussion on this topic.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Rural schools on tap with single-use restrooms already

Oklahoma just passed a state-mandated restroom bill, but some Cherokee County rural schools had already adopted a policy for single-use bathrooms and changing areas.

www.tahlequahdailypress.com

As I said several times now, this is the simple and obvious solution. Hopefully this will close the discussion on this topic.

That's an equitable solution. Hopefully all restrooms will change to this.

 

[DaveXA]

That's an equitable solution. Hopefully all restrooms will change to this.

Yep, I agree. Single use bathrooms are the way to go.

 

[Optimus Prime]

guess this can go here

not a fan of review bombing
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AMiami restaurant where Donald Trump was cheered by supporters just hours after being indicted on Tuesday has been targeted with negative reviews on Yelp, with an "unusual activity alert" being placed on its page by the business review website.

Following Trump's visit, Versailles, a popular Cuban restaurant based in Miami's Little Havana district, was hit with four one-star reviews in a row, with one person describing it as a "pro Trump domestic terrorist organization."

Trump is currently the frontrunner for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, polling significantly ahead of second-placed Ron DeSantis. Thus, his legal travails, and anything associated with them, are attracting intense attention from supporters and opponents alike.

Trump visited Versailles for about 10 minutes following his indictment, according to Miami New Times, where fans sang "Happy Birthday" one day before the former president turned 77. The business tycoon turned Republican politician declared "food for everyone!" though according to the paper "no one got anything—not even a cafecito to-go." Speaking to Newsweek, a Versailles employee replied "Sorry, I don't know about that" when asked if Trump paid for any food during his visit.......

MSN

 

[Optimus Prime]

If there is a school with 4 mens bathrooms and 4 womens' bathrooms and the men's rooms have 4 urinals and 2 stalls the womens have 4 stalls

how do they convert to single use, and still have enough to handle the amount of people there?

 

[DaveXA]

If there is a school with 4 mens bathrooms and 4 womens' bathrooms and the men's rooms have 4 urinals and 2 stalls the womens have 4 stalls

how do they convert to single use, and still have enough to handle the amount of people there?

Idk, that's for the engineers to figure out.

But seriously, considering the available square footage from the current bathrooms, it shouldn't be too difficult to convert those into multiple single use fully enclosed stalls and have an open multiple sink area to wash hands and freshen up.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I feel dismissed and invalidated.

Now I'm meeeelting!

That's on you for acting like a 12-year-old.

 

[Snarky Sack]

If there is a school with 4 mens bathrooms and 4 womens' bathrooms and the men's rooms have 4 urinals and 2 stalls the womens have 4 stalls

how do they convert to single use, and still have enough to handle the amount of people there?

It will take some remodeling and modernizing, no doubt. I believe it is worth it for our children's safety. Having children in a bathroom where it is specifically set apart from adult supervision has always been a safety risk. The trans movement has brought awareness of it which is a good thing.

 

[brandon]

See post above.

See pages from 2 weeks ago

 

[Snarky Sack]

When I said what you are replying to here, I had not seen you ever say anything about providing other options besides "women/girls" rooms or "men/boys" rooms, so it logically seemed to me that if you are banning them from "women/girls" rooms, you are forcing them into "men/boys" rooms.

Now you know.
We learn and grow.

To be as direct and clear is possible, I understand and acknowledge that you aren't trying to force them into "men/boys" rooms, you just want to ban them from "women/girls" rooms.

What you haven't said is what you would have transgender women do if the only options available to them are "women/girls" or "men/boys" restrooms.

Depends on the venue. More on that later.

I've already said that I haven't.



I didn't read the posts in which you mentioned them and referred to them as public family restrooms.

Fair.

First of all, it's bizarre that you chose to put blacks and whites in quotation marks.

I find them demeaning, inaccurate, and polarizing terms.

The similarity of bigotry is not based on the biological females differences from males being the same as the biological differences between black people and white people. Clearly the biological differences are not the same.

The similarity in the bigotry is in the dictating to others that you know who and how they are better than they do and basing that ignorant belief solely on genetic differences that determine physical traits. People told black people that their genes made them inferior subhumans and that their place was being subservient, even though black people knew that's not who they were.

Black people were told you can't use our bathrooms, because you're not really human like us and you have to live separate from us because we don't want you raping our women.

You're saying transgender women can't use "women/girls" restrooms because they're not really women and we don't want you raping our girls and women.

If you can't see the similarities, then you can't see the similarities, but they are very clearly there.

The differences far outweigh the similarities. People of slave decent were segregated due to belief they were inferior just as you said.

Segregating the sexes for bathrooms, sports, and privacy has nothing to do with anyone being thought inferior.

Nope. I don't rely on headlines, because I know better. I read the entire article to get inform myself.

Sounds like you're describing yourself, not me. You post a lot of articles in which the actual content of the article doesn't match the extremely sensationalized headline. When I post an article, the content matches the headline and the headlines aren't sensational.



I said I don't think you're acting in good faith.

I did not call you a liar and I don't think you're lying. If I did, I would have said I don't think you're being honest on this issue. Lying is not the only way someone can act in bad faith.



Pot, meet kettle.

Agree to disagree.

Feeling peer pressure from people I don't know and will probably never meet, are you serious? That may be an issue for you, but I say what I believe regardless of what other people think and that's got me into a head butt or two with everyone here.

Then the homogeneity of beliefs is simply coincidental. Remarkable.

As I've explained to you twice before, the point I was making is that you, a male, had the audacity to think you could speak with authority authority on what most women think and feel. That was the point of me asking you if you were XY or XX.

I am equally as capable as you of listening women I know and getting a feel for their concerns.

Telling someone they are wrong does not equal disagreeing with them.

Can you explain or rephrase that? It seems untrue if taken literally.

I don't know how they felt, but I read with my own eyes dismissive and invalidating things you said to them.

I have yet to see you tell me who you meant that I dismissed and invalidated based on my knowledge that they are XX.

In order to dismiss and invalidated people because they are XX I would have to know they are XX, correct?

You have a serious issue with impulsively jumping to the wrong conclusions.

I asked you for clarification twice and very clearly both times. I did not imply that you were wrong for not answering a question. You may have incorrectly inferred that, but I did not imply it in any way.

Fine then.

And you also still aren't providing clarification on this exchange:

Asking for clarification is not putting words in people's mouths. It's the opposite in fact. You use this "putting words in my mouth" defense to avoid providing clarification for things you have said. I don't know why you do it, but you do it and you do it a lot.

I believe my words were closer to "they will be fine" not "there is no danger." My point - and I thought it obvious - was that schoolchildren are safer when adults monitor them. Hence bathrooms present dangers that classroom do not.

If you truly thought I meant that trans People are all rapists, it is you made not only a jump to a conclusion, but a figurative hop, skip and jump.

It appears that you have pegged me as a bigoted trans phobe and will interpret my words in that light even when it defies logic.

If I say you said/are saying this, that and the other thing. That would be putting words in your mouth.

When I say would you please clarify what you're saying, because it seems to me like you're saying this, that and the other thing, that is not putting words in your mouth. You either understand the difference or you don't.

It is different whether you can understand the difference or not, and it's not putting words in your mouth.

Clarified.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

Trump Receives ‘Man of the Decade’ Award (For Real)

The former president accepted the award during a keynote speech Sunday night.

www.thedailybeast.com

Forget the allegations of rape or the federal indictment alleging he deliberately avoided returning classified documents. Donald Trump received the Oakland County Republican Party’s “Man of the Decade” award Sunday night—part of an appearance that saw him serve as the keynote speaker at the 2023 Lincoln Day Dinner in Michigan.

Hoping to win back critical ground he lost between 2016 and 2020, Trump appeared in suburban Detroit for his first campaign appearance in the state. Tickets for the event sold for between $250 to $7,500, with a large crowd breaking Trump’s previous Michigan attendance record, according to The Oakland Press.

 

[CoolBrees]

Just to clarify to nobody in particular-

@MT15 is a woman, a Saints fan and Boilermaker. All three make her, by definition, exceptional and awesome.

Again, to nobody in particular, I and everybody - and I mean everybody but 1 new person- have been on this and the Main Board for like 10+ years in most cases. This is an offshoot of the best NFL team fan site in the world - because there were those on said board who could not deal with, well, reality. So this board was created.

The point is, we have all known each other for a long time. Many even in person.

So while watching no one in particular make unintentionally hilarious insinuations about people being “sock puppets” the bleeding heart in me thought it would only be fair to bring no one in particular up to speed.

 

[MT15]

I scanned through this page. I didn't read all of it. But am i to assume that Snarky is making a case that Trans people rape more people because of the bathroom situations than straight guys? Rape is a terrible pandemic in this country. But to suggest that Trans people who use the opposite bathroom have caused an uptick in rape is just laughable to anyone who believes that..

No, he’s actually arguing, if I understand him correctly, that trans people shouldn’t be allowed in women’s restrooms because it will encourage straight men to dress up and enter women’s restrooms and rape people. Or make women uncomfortable, or something.

What I don’t get is that straight men can always dress up as women to get into restrooms, whether we let trans women use them or not. But when we force trans women to go into men’s rooms I think that is putting them at risk or harassment or other harm.

 

[MT15]

So far, no apology.

South Carolina governor faces backlash for remark about hunting Democrats with dogs

Democrats demanded Gov. Henry McMaster apologize for the statement, which he made at a state GOP convention last weekend.

www.nbcnews.com

The two parties are NOT the same. Only one is outright demonizing the opposition.