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    This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

    We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

    There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?



     
    shades of what happened to Sarah Huckabee Sanders, which we had a long thread about on PDB

    Curious what really happened
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    A restaurant has sparked a debate after kicking out a Fox News analyst over a political conversation that his table was having.

    The political analyst, Gianno Caldwell, took to Twitter on Saturday to describe and express his shock over the incident, which occured at a restaurant in Florida.

    “I can’t believe what just happened. I met up with friends for breakfast at Paradis Books and Bread in North Miami & while we were having discussions about politics we were told by the owner that we were not welcomed there because we aren’t politically aligned. Outrageous,” he tweeted.

    Caldwell went on to share a follow-up tweet on what his conversation with his peers was about and how he felt like he was being “discriminated against” for his political beliefs.

    “What’s even crazier to me is I spent a big portion of time talking about getting justice for my brother & victims of violent crime in America then to be discriminated against by this white lady in 2023 because I’m conservative is unfathomable,” he added............

    In its social media post, the restaurant described how “a group of people” came in and “talked quite loudly for over an hour”.

    “A lot of what they were discussing was very troubling, specifically when talking about women in degrading ways as well as using eugenic arguments around their thoughts on Roe v Wade,” the caption read. “Their behaviour and their words made other folks in the space as well as the one of us working very uncomfortable. Once it was clear that they were finished with their meal, we told them that our views don’t align, and that the language they were using was unwelcome in our space.”

    The restaurant noted that one member of the group responded to the owner with: “That is your business model and I respected that.”

    The business also acknowledged that its space is “co-owned by black folks and women” and that they “firmly stand by [their] zero tolerance policy”.

    As explained in the graphic posted by the restaurant, “racism, homophobia, sexism, transphobia, ableism, xenophobia, and other forms of harm and/or oppression will not be tolerated within [the] space”.

    On social media, many people have expressed their support for Caldwell and criticised the Miami restaurant owner for how she treated him.............



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    Optimus Prime said:
    Caldwell went on to share a follow-up tweet on what his conversation with his peers was about and how he felt like he was being “discriminated against” for his political beliefs.
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    A restaurant owner is free to discriminate based on political beliefs, which are not religous beliefs.

    It also sounds like we're very much not getting the full truth from the people that were kicked out.
     
    Not that they've done M&Ms on to video games. Not even any specific game but the console itself
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    Move over, gas stoves. There’s a new household item that’s been thrust into the culture war over climate change.

    That would be the Xbox.

    Microsoft, the tech behemoth behind the video game console, said earlier this month it will update Xboxes to run more efficiently, saving users money on their electric bills and trimming the gaming industry’s carbon emissions.

    But now conservative commentators and politicians are lashing out at Xbox, calling the brand “woke” for worrying too much about the planet.

    “It’s crazy what they’re doing,” Fox News host Jimmy Failla lamented in a recent segment. “They’re trying to recruit your kids into climate politics at an earlier age.”

    The Xbox is the latest product to join a long list — one that includes hamburgers, cars and, most recently, stoves — of everyday items targeted by conservatives who argue efforts to curb carbon emissions threaten Americans’ way of life............

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    Bolding mine. Why do "hard decisions" always affect the elderly, working and middle class?

    Why is the hard decision never "we're going to cut military spending and tax the bejesus out of millionaires, billionaires and rich corporations?"
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    After being evasive about their plans for entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare in the months leading up to midterms, the House GOP has begun to confirm its intention to cut spending on both.

    That's according to The Washington Post's Tony Romm, who reported that Republican lawmakers are willing to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip in order to get the Biden administration to cave on spending cuts to Medicare and Social Security. Failing to raise the debt ceiling by the summer could cause the US to default on its debt for the first time in history, the consequences of which would be dire.

    "We have no choice but to make hard decisions," Rep. Kevin Hern of Oklahoma, leader of the conservative Republican Study Committee, told The Post. "Everybody has to look at everything.".............

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    Bolding mine. Why are "hard decisions" always affect the elderly, working and middle class

    Why is the hard decision never "we're going to cut military spending and tax the bejesus out of millionaires, billionaires and rich corporations?"
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    After being evasive about their plans for entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare in the months leading up to midterms, the House GOP has begun to confirm its intention to cut spending on both.

    That's according to The Washington Post's Tony Romm, who reported that Republican lawmakers are willing to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip in order to get the Biden administration to cave on spending cuts to Medicare and Social Security. Failing to raise the debt ceiling by the summer could cause the US to default on its debt for the first time in history, the consequences of which would be dire.

    "We have no choice but to make hard decisions," Rep. Kevin Hern of Oklahoma, leader of the conservative Republican Study Committee, told The Post. "Everybody has to look at everything.".............

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    Meh. I don't even forking care anymore. Let the country default on this debt obligations. It's what voters of this country voted for when they put Republicans in charge of the House.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Not that they've done M&Ms on to video games. Not even any specific game but the console itself
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    Move over, gas stoves. There’s a new household item that’s been thrust into the culture war over climate change.

    That would be the Xbox.

    Microsoft, the tech behemoth behind the video game console, said earlier this month it will update Xboxes to run more efficiently, saving users money on their electric bills and trimming the gaming industry’s carbon emissions.

    But now conservative commentators and politicians are lashing out at Xbox, calling the brand “woke” for worrying too much about the planet.

    “It’s crazy what they’re doing,” Fox News host Jimmy Failla lamented in a recent segment. “They’re trying to recruit your kids into climate politics at an earlier age.”

    The Xbox is the latest product to join a long list — one that includes hamburgers, cars and, most recently, stoves — of everyday items targeted by conservatives who argue efforts to curb carbon emissions threaten Americans’ way of life............

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    Anti Woke has now passed "WOKE" 10x on the idiocracy scale... and their believers eat it up like hotcakes...
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Why do "hard decisions" always affect the elderly, working and middle class?

    Why is the hard decision never "we're going to cut military spending and tax the bejesus out of millionaires, billionaires and rich corporations?"
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    speaking of that, anyone read about a recent "fair tax deal" introduced by republicans?

    The bill would eliminate all income taxes — from the payroll tax to corporate taxes to personal income taxes and more — and would also eliminate the Internal Revenue Service...

    and the bill would replace it all with a national sales tax of about 30%
     
    Rep. Harriet Hageman, R-Wyo., spewed conspiracy theories about an environmental plan to conserve 30% of US land and waters by 2030 ahead of her election last year.

    Speaking at R-CALF, a convention for independent cattle producers, Hageman in August 2021 and 2022 baselessly claimed that conservation plans like the global initiative 30x30 are a government plot led by President Joe Biden to control Americans through starvation.

    The congresswoman likened the environmental plans to African dictators starving their people to stay in power.

    "Anytime their dictator needed to control the masses and needed to make sure that there would be no uprising, he just starves his people," Hageman said in the previously unreported video. "You can look at Somalia, you can look at the Congo, you can look at country after country after country after country, and what they've done is they control their people with food. That's what 30 x 30 is about. That's what the Green New Deal is about.".............

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    Newly elected Rep. Cory Mills (R-Fla.) passed out grenades Thursday to other members of Congress, along with a note on his office letterhead emphasizing that the ordnance was made in Florida.

    “I am honored to be a part of the Armed Services and Foreign Affairs Committees,” Mills wrote. “In that spirit, it is my pleasure to give you a 40mm grenade, made for a MK19 grenade launcher. These are manufactured in the Sunshine State and first developed in the Vietnam War.”

    At the bottom of the letter was a postscript noting that the grenades are inert..........

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    Optimus Prime said:
    Newly elected Rep. Cory Mills (R-Fla.) passed out grenades Thursday to other members of Congress, along with a note on his office letterhead emphasizing that the ordnance was made in Florida.

    “I am honored to be a part of the Armed Services and Foreign Affairs Committees,” Mills wrote. “In that spirit, it is my pleasure to give you a 40mm grenade, made for a MK19 grenade launcher. These are manufactured in the Sunshine State and first developed in the Vietnam War.”

    At the bottom of the letter was a postscript noting that the grenades are inert..........

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    I mean that's very appropriate if your mission is to blow things to smithereens, which is the typical way the Republicans run things.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Rep. Harriet Hageman, R-Wyo., spewed conspiracy theories about an environmental plan to conserve 30% of US land and waters by 2030 ahead of her election last year.

    Speaking at R-CALF, a convention for independent cattle producers, Hageman in August 2021 and 2022 baselessly claimed that conservation plans like the global initiative 30x30 are a government plot led by President Joe Biden to control Americans through starvation.

    The congresswoman likened the environmental plans to African dictators starving their people to stay in power.

    "Anytime their dictator needed to control the masses and needed to make sure that there would be no uprising, he just starves his people," Hageman said in the previously unreported video. "You can look at Somalia, you can look at the Congo, you can look at country after country after country after country, and what they've done is they control their people with food. That's what 30 x 30 is about. That's what the Green New Deal is about.".............

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    Oh great! Where do they find all the loony tunes, and why in hell do people vote for them?
     
    PHOENIX — Arizona Republicans shielded legislators from the state’s open-records law this week — a move that comes months after the release of thousands of documents detailing extensive efforts to undermine Joe Biden’s victory here in the 2020 presidential election.


    Documents that have surfaced over the past two years include correspondence describing the inner workings of a partisan review of the 2020 election by the Cyber Ninjas, as well as emails by Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, urging lawmakers to overturn President Donald Trump’s narrow defeat in the state.


    The new rules will greatly limit the public release of lawmakers’ communications. State senators will not have to disclose any text messages sent on personal devices, even when dealing with state business.

    For lawmakers in both the Senate and the House, emails and other documents will be destroyed after 90 days — in many cases, well before members of the public know to ask for them……

    The liberal group American Oversight used Arizona’s records law to uncover the way Republicans conducted the 2020 election review, which was overseen by Cyber Ninjas, a secretive group that had never before analyzed an election.

    Without those records, the public wouldn’t know as much as it does, said Heather Sawyer, American Oversight’s executive director.


    “It does seem like they’re just trying to find a way to be able to operate in the dark, which is incredibly anti-democratic. It’s anti-American, quite frankly,” Sawyer said. The rule change benefits all lawmakers at the expense of ordinary voters of all political stripes, she said; Arizonans won’t be able to find out what legislators are doing behind the scenes, whether they’re Democrats or Republicans.


    “It is one of the things that sets us apart from autocracies, that we require our public officials to be accountable to the people they serve,” she said…….


     
    Through circumstance (the GOP’s narrow House majority) and some relatively deft political maneuvering (lining up early behind Kevin McCarthy for speaker while hard-right allies did not), Marjorie Taylor Greene has worked her way into the Republican mainstream.

    Or at least, she’s forced it to take her more seriously.
It’s the culmination of a concerted effort, as The Post’s Ashley Parker and Michael Scherer wrote recently.

    Two years after Democrats and some Republicans booted her off her committees, the GOP has now placed her on several key ones, including Oversight, Homeland Security and the select subcommittee on the coronavirus crisis.

    The New York Times reports McCarthy has sworn his loyalty to Greene. And now Donald Trump ally Stephen K. Bannon is even floating her as a potential vice-presidential pick for the former president in 2024.

    That last one is worthy of some healthy skepticism. But just what does it mean for the GOP to promote Greene (R-Ga.) as a face of the party?

    And what do voters think of the newly legitimized, conspiracy theory-touting congresswoman?

    Surveys make clear that Americans writ large don’t have much regard for Greene, at least right now. What’s perhaps less obvious is that even Republicans don’t seem to have too much affection for her.


    An Economist/YouGov poll from early this month showed 26 percent of Americans had a favorable opinion of Greene, compared to 41 percent who had a negative one.

    Greene also elicits a far more intense response on the left than the right: While 18 percent of Republicans had a “very favorable” opinion of her, nearly half of Democrats (47 percent) had a “very unfavorable” one…….



     
    Calling complete BS on his "I didn't know they were white supremicists" claim
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    A policy adviser at the North Carolina General Assembly resigned Thursday after an anonymous tipster sent records to reporters of the staffer’s appearances on a “pro-white” radio show. House Speaker Tim Moore’s office said Carlton Huffman was hired as an investigative analyst for the legislature’s commission on governmental operations less than one month ago.

    Moore’s office said Huffman “no longer works at the General Assembly” after staff learned Thursday of his past activity with The Political Cesspool Radio Program, a far-right talk show that touts an “unapologetically pro-White viewpoint.” The commission is co-chaired by Moore, a Cleveland County Republican, and Senate leader Phil Berger, a Rockingham County Republican.

    The Political Cesspool says in a mission statement on its website that it hopes “to revive the White birthrate above replacement level fertility and beyond to grow the percentage of Whites in the world relative to other races.” Huffman was a contributing author and featured guest on The Political Cesspool several times throughout the 2010s. In a 2015 article on the program’s website, he praised Confederate soldiers and the South’s “resistance to change” despite “over 150 years of attempted cultural genocide.”

    In a radio interview on The Political Cesspool, Huffman lamented forced integration at the University of Mississippi in 1962, which he said began “a very long fall from grace.” Huffman confirmed to The News & Observer and WRAL, which first reported his departure, that he was part of the Council of Conservative Citizens, a segregationist organization the Southern Poverty Law Center identifies as “a crudely white supremacist group.” It is “a modern reincarnation of the old White Citizens Councils, which were formed in the 1950s and 1960s to battle school desegregation in the South,” the SPLC website says. Huffman told The N&O Thursday evening that he “deeply regretted the ugly person I was.”

    “I resigned from (the Council of Conservative Citizens) because of the antisemitic things they started to say,” Huffman said. When asked if the group’s other positions had bothered him, Huffman said, “I did not know that they were white supremacists, and learning that started a lot of introspection that started me on a different path.”...........

     
    Like many Americans in this age of stupid things, I face an existential question: Am I woke?

    I assume not, because Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis hasn’t tried to ban me, as he recently did an AP high school course on African-American studies.

    But who knows? Maybe I’m stealth-woke. Maybe my very presence in society indoctrinates America’s youth with…well, I guess I don’t really know the specific content of woke indoctrination, since nobody stoking fear about it has ever explained what the heck they’re talking about.

    In giving his reasons for blocking the AP course, DeSantis whined that it contained a section on “queer theory.” As he spoke those two words he sounded like someone was holding a cat turd under his nose. Apparently, anything “queer” is woke, because it might suggest to impressionable youth that queer people exist. I guess.

    The bottom line is DeSantis and other Quixotic clodhoppers in the perma-fabulist world of the Republican Party have made “woke” a ubiquitous slur, attacking everyone from leaders of The Walt Disney Co. to teachers to M&Ms. Why? Apparently because the “wokies” are trying to destroy America by engaging in radical behavior like “promoting understanding,” “thinking about others” and “making the world a slightly less awful place for people who historically haven’t had much say in how things work.”

    “Woke” is an umbrella term on the right. Sometimes it refers to students learning about things like gender identity or slavery, sometimes it deals with the kind of shoes a cartoon M&M is wearing, sometimes it involves climate change.

    But there’s one consistent element: It always gets applied to things that make certain straight, white people uncomfortable. I’ve never heard someone on Fox News bemoan the wokeness of a young-adult novel featuring the wedding of a white man and a white woman. They don’t holler things like: “THAT’S WOKE BECAUSE IT’S INDOCTRINATING MY CHILD WITH HETEROSEXUALITY!”

    No, it’s always, “THAT BOOK IS WOKE BECAUSE IT SUGGESTS THAT BEING GAY AND LOVING SOMEONE IS A THING THAT HAPPENS!!” Or more sober reflections like, “We must ban this course because it might make my white child feel bad that slavery happened and, worse yet, that racism still exists in America, harumph.”............

     
    guess this can go here
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    On every census survey — or medical form or job application — Tala Faraj says she has no choice but to identify as something she’s not: White.
    Faraj, 23, is Iraqi American, but Middle Eastern is usually not an option when she’s asked for her race and ethnicity.

    “It is this feeling like I don’t really belong. Like there’s no space for me here and I just have to conform to whatever this country is telling me that I am,” said Faraj, who lives in Chicago. “It makes me feel sad.”

    For years, the Census Bureau has counted people of Middle Eastern and North African descent (also known as MENA) as White, obscuring their numbers and rendering them largely invisible, advocates say.

    Last week, the Biden administration submitted a preliminary proposal to better account for the country’s MENA and Latino populations in the census. The Middle Eastern and North African population would be recognized as a distinct ethnic identity for the first time. And Latinos would be able to identify as such without having to also identify as a separate race, such as Black or White.

    The proposal could change how race and ethnicity are measured across the country, from statewide and local records on police violence to health disparity data. This type of demographic data also informs decisions on redistricting and the distribution of government assistance.

    According to the 2020 Census, the United States is 59 percent White, nearly 19 percent Hispanic, 13 percent Black and 6 percent Asian.

    The proposed changes for the 2030 census could further reduce the White population count and reflect the country’s increasingly diverse makeup.

    “Federal race and ethnicity standards are inherently complex because they seek to capture dynamic and fluid sociopolitical constructs,” the Office of Management and Budget said in the proposal released Friday. In the years since census standards were last revised, “there have been large societal, political, economic, and demographic shifts in the United States.”

    The public can offer written comments on the proposal until April 12. The administration said in a statement that it aims to finish the revisions by the summer of 2024. “The recommendations are preliminary — not final,” the statement said............

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    guess this can go here
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    On every census survey — or medical form or job application — Tala Faraj says she has no choice but to identify as something she’s not: White.
    Faraj, 23, is Iraqi American, but Middle Eastern is usually not an option when she’s asked for her race and ethnicity.

    “It is this feeling like I don’t really belong. Like there’s no space for me here and I just have to conform to whatever this country is telling me that I am,” said Faraj, who lives in Chicago. “It makes me feel sad.”

    For years, the Census Bureau has counted people of Middle Eastern and North African descent (also known as MENA) as White, obscuring their numbers and rendering them largely invisible, advocates say.

    Last week, the Biden administration submitted a preliminary proposal to better account for the country’s MENA and Latino populations in the census. The Middle Eastern and North African population would be recognized as a distinct ethnic identity for the first time. And Latinos would be able to identify as such without having to also identify as a separate race, such as Black or White.

    The proposal could change how race and ethnicity are measured across the country, from statewide and local records on police violence to health disparity data. This type of demographic data also informs decisions on redistricting and the distribution of government assistance.

    According to the 2020 Census, the United States is 59 percent White, nearly 19 percent Hispanic, 13 percent Black and 6 percent Asian.

    The proposed changes for the 2030 census could further reduce the White population count and reflect the country’s increasingly diverse makeup.

    “Federal race and ethnicity standards are inherently complex because they seek to capture dynamic and fluid sociopolitical constructs,” the Office of Management and Budget said in the proposal released Friday. In the years since census standards were last revised, “there have been large societal, political, economic, and demographic shifts in the United States.”

    The public can offer written comments on the proposal until April 12. The administration said in a statement that it aims to finish the revisions by the summer of 2024. “The recommendations are preliminary — not final,” the statement said............

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    This is a good thing. I've always put "other" or "mixed" for my race because of this.
     

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