What happens to the Republican Party now? (2 Viewers)

[MT15]

This election nonsense by Trump may end up splitting up the Republican Party. I just don’t see how the one third (?) who are principled conservatives can stay in the same party with Trump sycophants who are willing to sign onto the TX Supreme Court case.

We also saw the alt right types chanting “destroy the GOP” in Washington today because they didn’t keep Trump in power. I think the Q types will also hold the same ill will toward the traditional Republican Party. In fact its quite possible that all the voters who are really in a Trump personality cult will also blame the GOP for his loss. It’s only a matter of time IMO before Trump himself gets around to blaming the GOP.

There is some discussion of this on Twitter. What do you all think?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

I can agree with that. Can we agree that there are good politicians on both sides, where voting red/blue down the ticket won’t necessarily render the best results as it will inevitably throw the baby out with the bath water?

Yes and no.

Yes, there are a few principled Republicans remaining in federal office (I can't speak for state/county/city level races across the country).

No, I believe that voting straight ticket Democrat is much more likely to produce better results than voting straight ticket Republican. You said yourself that the rhetoric and action from the left is nothing compared to the right. Given that, how do you justify the belief that both sides are just as guilty of extremism as the other? How do you justify the belief that voting straight red ticket is just as likely to produce the best results as a straight blue ticket?

 

[MT15]

The so-called “good” Republicans haven’t done shirt to keep the bad Republicans in check. Worse than nothing. So no, I won’t vote for any Republicans until they, as a party, grow a spine and quit bending the knee to the crazy right. And I used to vote independently. Voted that way my whole life, without regard to party. Not any more. There’s a moral rot in the Republican Party that must be stamped out of our political landscape.

 

[brandon]

As for “both sides”, I’ll keep at it. Both sides can claim varying degrees to undermining democracy. From riling up a base to storm the Capitol, to propping up the crazies from the other side of the aisle in order to secure bad candidates.

So your argument is that it's both sides because the right stormed the Capitol and because the right also has crazy candidates who supported storming the Capitol.

 

[coldseat]

I can agree with that. Can we agree that there are good politicians on both sides, where voting red/blue down the ticket won’t necessarily render the best results as it will inevitably throw the baby out with the bath water?

I think the point that everybody is trying to make is that we need to throw out the baby and the bath water when it comes to Republicans. The baby is stillborn and than bathwater is toxic. The Republican party needs to start over.

That only happens by starting over from scratch after devastating losses nationwide at every level for Republicans. But the radical Americans on the right and people like yourself are preventing that process from happening by continuing to vote for Republicans.

 

[Optimus Prime]

 

[brandon]

Well, she's right about one thing.

 

[zztop]

we really need a facepalm emoji option for reactions

 

[Optimus Prime]

Polls may be wrong again
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Read any polls lately? A Marist poll published Sept. 21 attracted wide notice with its findings that the Senate race in Ohio between Republican J.D. Vance and Democratic Rep. Tim Ryan is a “dead heat.”

That’s big news in the Buckeye State, which has been solidly Republican for several years, and even bigger news for the midterms, when control of the Senate could hinge on a single seat.


As an Ohio resident and political strategist who has advised hundreds of campaigns in this state and elsewhere, I was startled to learn that Vance, closely aligned with former president Donald Trump, wouldn’t be doing better in a state that Trump won twice by margins of about eight percentage points.

A look at the Marist poll’s fine print suggested something that should make Democrats nervous in the run-up to Nov. 8: Pollsters might be seriously undercounting the Republican electorate — specifically, the working-class White voters who were crucial to Trump’s electoral success.


What caught my attention in the poll’s details was the information that 45 percent of respondents had a college degree. A check of the most recent census data indicates that in Ohio, only about 29 percent of the adult population has a bachelor’s degree or higher.


Even adjusting for the fact that likely voters tend to be more educated, it’s clear that Trump supporters likely to favor Vance were significantly underrepresented.

This isn’t just about a single poll or a single state. I regularly talk with pollsters and campaigns, and I hear a common lament: Trump voters distrust pollsters and the media that reports on poll results, and simply won’t participate, out of protest or paranoia……..

The undercounting of voters who lack college degrees could also mean missing some Democratic-leaning Black and Hispanic voters, of course, but they make up a much smaller portion of the electorate and, in any case, don’t tend to share the protest-or-paranoia mind-set that makes Trump-friendly Republicans difficult to poll……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/03/midterm-polls-undercount-republicans/

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I think the point that everybody is trying to make is that we need to throw out the baby and the bath water when it comes to Republicans. The baby is stillborn and than bathwater is toxic. The Republican party needs to start over.

That only happens by starting over from scratch after devastating losses nationwide at every level for Republicans. But the radical Americans on the right and people like yourself are preventing that process from happening by continuing to vote for Republicans.

Pretty much this. Until sanity comes back to the GOP, the number of respectable candidates it puts forth are few and far between. The number of GOP major officeholders (Congress, Senate, Governors) who aren't complete lackeys to Trump is probably around a dozen.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Polls get more inaccurate with each passing year from a combination of general trends of people simply not wanting to talk to pollsters (I don't answer my phone unless I know who is calling) or the general distrust of media and the political process such that people will lie about who they will vote for.

 

[Optimus Prime]

(Bloomberg) -- Former President Donald Trump sued CNN for defamation, claiming the cable news network has escalated a campaign of libel and slander against him recently because it fears he’ll run for re-election in 2024.

CNN has attempted to butt area Trump “with a series of ever-more scandalous, false, and defamatory labels of ‘racist,’ ‘Russian lackey,’ ‘insurrectionist,’ and ultimately ‘Hitler,’” the former president’s lawyers said in the suit filed Monday in federal court in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Trump is seeking at least $475 million in damages, according to the filing...........

Trump Sues CNN for Defamation, Saying Network Fears He’ll Run in 2024

 

[Optimus Prime]

for what it's worth

Kanye and Candace Owens

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[coldseat]

for what it's worth

Kanye and Candace Owens

MSN

www.msn.com

You can get Kanye West to do anything as long as you tell him he needs to do the opposite of what you want him to do. He's such an "independent thinker" that he's easily manipulated with simple mind tricks.

 

[Optimus Prime]

You can get Kanye West to do anything as long as you tell him he needs to do the opposite of what you want him to do. He's such an "independent thinker" that he's easily manipulated with simple mind tricks.

and Candace?

 

[Optimus Prime]

This is sooooo true. The Republican Party leadership has failed this country in such a meaningful way that it might cost us our entire country.

Alyssa Farah Griffin warned viewers of The View that former President Donald Trump, for whom she served as a senior aide, is privately much more racist than what he shows publicly.

On Monday, the ABC show discussed the clearly racist attack on Trump’s former cabinet member Elaine Chao, who is married to Senator Mitch McConnell. Trump, in a TruthSocial post last week, referred to his former secretary of transportation as the “China-loving wife, Coco Chow.”

View co-host Ana Navarro explained to viewers, “What he said about Elaine Chao, who was born in Taiwan, let me remind Donald Trump, because obviously what he’s trying to do here is say those of us who are Americans born somewhere else are not as American or not at the same level of Americans.”

Navarro then lit into Trump enablers: Trump “was a racist before he was president,” she said. “He was a racist as president, and he’s going to be a racist until the day he dies, and all those people who enabled it, all those people who defended it because they wanted to be near power, they own this too because they voted, they supported, they worked for, they enabled, they fortify and emboldened a racist.”

Farah Griffin served as White House communications director under Trump. She did not take Navarro’s bait but instead pivoted to agree with her.

“I’m guilty as somebody who hoped to see the best in him, hoped he had a vision, and he wasn’t as bad as the worst of what we saw,” she replied.

She then revealed Trump is far worse behind closed doors: “But I’m here to tell you guys at home, like, he is worse than you what see. He is worse than when he tweets out — or truths out — on social media. This is not what our country deserves. We are too divided.”

She then revealed that she did not even vote for Trump............

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Taurus]

Alyssa Farah Griffin warned viewers of The View that former President Donald Trump, for whom she served as a senior aide, is privately much more racist than what he shows publicly.

On Monday, the ABC show discussed the clearly racist attack on Trump’s former cabinet member Elaine Chao, who is married to Senator Mitch McConnell. Trump, in a TruthSocial post last week, referred to his former secretary of transportation as the “China-loving wife, Coco Chow.”

View co-host Ana Navarro explained to viewers, “What he said about Elaine Chao, who was born in Taiwan, let me remind Donald Trump, because obviously what he’s trying to do here is say those of us who are Americans born somewhere else are not as American or not at the same level of Americans.”

Navarro then lit into Trump enablers: Trump “was a racist before he was president,” she said. “He was a racist as president, and he’s going to be a racist until the day he dies, and all those people who enabled it, all those people who defended it because they wanted to be near power, they own this too because they voted, they supported, they worked for, they enabled, they fortify and emboldened a racist.”

Farah Griffin served as White House communications director under Trump. She did not take Navarro’s bait but instead pivoted to agree with her.

“I’m guilty as somebody who hoped to see the best in him, hoped he had a vision, and he wasn’t as bad as the worst of what we saw,” she replied.

She then revealed Trump is far worse behind closed doors: “But I’m here to tell you guys at home, like, he is worse than you what see. He is worse than when he tweets out — or truths out — on social media. This is not what our country deserves. We are too divided.”

She then revealed that she did not even vote for Trump............

MSN

www.msn.com

Sadly, a huge proportion of the white electorate Does. Not. Care.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Definitely for what it’s worth but it’s interesting
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When Clio Andris and Xiaofan Liang gave us early access to the latest update of their delightful data on chain restaurants, they already had identified its most compelling mystery:

Places that support Donald Trump also tend to have the most franchise foods.

But why?

It turns out “the foodscape is very political,” said Liang, a PhD candidate at Georgia Tech’s School of City & Regional Planning. “Places with a high percentage of Trump voters have a higher percentage of chains. We didn’t expect it.”


Chain restaurants — those ubiquitous monuments to corporate consistency, from Applebee’s to Arby’s, Olive Garden to Pizza Hut — are most common in Kentucky, West Virginia and Alabama.

They’re rarest in Vermont, Alaska and Hawaii. Maine, New York and D.C. also tend to have fewer chains.

Nestled in the southern reaches of Appalachia, off the interstate between Birmingham, Ala., and Atlanta, Anniston is accustomed to life as a national punching bag.

It has been named among the “most dangerous” and “fastest shrinking” cities and appears on lists of the worst places to live and the places where workers are most likely to be replaced by robots.

In 2019, local reporter and author Tim Lockette wrote a helpful guide for residents titled, “FIVE THINGS to know when Anniston lands on a ‘10 worst’ list again.”

Anniston lies in Calhoun County, which Trump won in 2020 with 73 percent of the two-party vote, which excludes votes cast for third-party candidates. That makes it an exemplar of the Trump-chain restaurant nexus.

In the Trumpiest fifth of the United States, counties where Trump received at least 63.3 percent of the two-party vote in the past presidential election, 37 percent of the restaurants are chains.

In the least Trumpy fifth, where Trump received less than 32.1 percent of the vote, it’s 23 percent……

While the Trump vote correlates with the presence of chain restaurants, it clearly doesn’t explain it. Our gut told us to look at population density.

The density divide is the Ur-cleavage from which so many other modern American divisions flow. As places get more rural, education and income levels fall and Trump support rises.

But chains don’t fit perfectly into this worldview. Chain restaurant concentration peaks in midsize cities and suburbs and tends to be lower in both the most urban and most rural areas.

And at every density level, the political divide remains: Rural areas won by Biden have fewer chains than rural areas won by Trump. Same goes for suburbs and major cities…..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/09/29/chain-restaurant-capitals/

 

[Eeyore]

You can't argue with this commercial. It's brilliant.